Re: large projects in mod_perl

2002-08-28 Thread Chris Winters

* Calbazana, Al ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020828 09:04]:
> I am not sure of what app server products/projects are out there now for
> Perl (maybe some were mentioned earlier).  The building blocks are
> definitely there.  I am sure someone has assembled, or is assembling, them
> to serve as a turn key app server.  I'd like to hear more about projects
> that manage session state across a web farm, allow for remote objects,
> transaction management, etc...

This should be useful:

http://perl.apache.org/products/app-server.html

Chris

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RE: large projects in mod_perl

2002-08-28 Thread Calbazana, Al

The resources that were pointed out were great!

For large web apps MVC is great, especially when combined with XML and XSLT.
It is certainly not a "panacea" as someone stated in an earlier post.
Mod_perl can function as an application server.  I don't know a whole lot
about this, but I know it can be done.  I am currently looking into playing
around with mod_perl in an application server setting.  Cache::Cache seems
promising for keeping objects around. MVC type code offers a good separation
of work flow from business logic and view logic.  Not sure what transaction
management packages are out there now.

I am not sure of what app server products/projects are out there now for
Perl (maybe some were mentioned earlier).  The building blocks are
definitely there.  I am sure someone has assembled, or is assembling, them
to serve as a turn key app server.  I'd like to hear more about projects
that manage session state across a web farm, allow for remote objects,
transaction management, etc...

Al

-Original Message-
From: Oleg Shaikhatarov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 4:16 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: large projects in mod_perl

There is a really big project called HSPcomplete written mostly on Perl
(AFAIK it took about 200-300 man months to complete 2.0 version). 

It has a three-tier architecture:

Web Apps (Forms processing) <-> Middle Tier (data management) <->
Low-level Libs

It uses own templating system called ASPcms, which uses Text::Template
as a low-level template processor + has a number of common Perl
libraries:

* lib to construct web forms
* Mid-Tier Abstract lib
* DB abstraction library
* lib to construct multi-step wizards
* security and license management lib
etc...

Product homepage:

http://www.sw-soft.com/products/hspcomplete/

Regards,
Oleg Shaikhatarov

zt.zamosc.tpsa.pl wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> Does anyone know where I can find some information on creating big
projects
> in Perl (mod_perl)?
> I am facing the really big project now but I don't know what stucture of
the
> program will be the best.
> 
> There are such things like Struts, jBoss in Java. What about Perl?
> 
> Thank you in advance.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



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Re: large projects in mod_perl

2002-08-27 Thread Peter Bi

How about application software ? The lists are either programming tools or
language iteself.

I mean something like ... online accounting software ... just for example.


Peter Bi


- Original Message -
From: "Per Einar Ellefsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "zt.zamosc.tpsa.pl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 12:43 AM
Subject: Re: large projects in mod_perl


> At 09:16 27.08.2002, zt.zamosc.tpsa.pl wrote:
> >Hi all
> >
> >Does anyone know where I can find some information on creating big
projects
> >in Perl (mod_perl)?
> >I am facing the really big project now but I don't know what stucture of
the
> >program will be the best.
> >
> >There are such things like Struts, jBoss in Java. What about Perl?
>
> Well, with mod_perl you have many possibilities. I would advise you to
read
> http://perl.apache.org/docs/tutorials/apps/scale_etoys/etoys.html for an
> explanation about a big project involving mod_perl at EToys, and
> http://perl.apache.org/products/app-server.html for a list of application
> servers available for mod_perl (as well as maybe
> http://perl.apache.org/docs/tutorials/tmpl/comparison/comparison.html to
> look at how to choose a templating system).
>
> You might also want to develop your own architecture based on MVC, which
we
> had a long discussion about here recently. For a lot of interesting
> reading, look at these threads:
> o http://mathforum.org/epigone/modperl/jilgygland
> o http://mathforum.org/epigone/modperl/pahphucree
> o http://mathforum.org/epigone/modperl/solchaxzim
> o http://mathforum.org/epigone/modperl/lerdginspir
> o http://mathforum.org/epigone/modperl/stremnemcland
> o http://mathforum.org/epigone/modperl/nounumspim
> o http://mathforum.org/epigone/modperl/blildeudrand
> o http://mathforum.org/epigone/modperl/zhathontimp
> o http://mathforum.org/epigone/modperl/drehkrerlnen
> o http://mathforum.org/epigone/modperl/drurflerdplald
>
>
> --
> Per Einar Ellefsen
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>




Re: large projects in mod_perl

2002-08-27 Thread Oleg Shaikhatarov

There is a really big project called HSPcomplete written mostly on Perl
(AFAIK it took about 200-300 man months to complete 2.0 version). 

It has a three-tier architecture:

Web Apps (Forms processing) <-> Middle Tier (data management) <->
Low-level Libs

It uses own templating system called ASPcms, which uses Text::Template
as a low-level template processor + has a number of common Perl
libraries:

* lib to construct web forms
* Mid-Tier Abstract lib
* DB abstraction library
* lib to construct multi-step wizards
* security and license management lib
etc...

Product homepage:

http://www.sw-soft.com/products/hspcomplete/

Regards,
Oleg Shaikhatarov

zt.zamosc.tpsa.pl wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> Does anyone know where I can find some information on creating big projects
> in Perl (mod_perl)?
> I am facing the really big project now but I don't know what stucture of the
> program will be the best.
> 
> There are such things like Struts, jBoss in Java. What about Perl?
> 
> Thank you in advance.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 





Re: large projects in mod_perl

2002-08-27 Thread Per Einar Ellefsen

At 09:16 27.08.2002, zt.zamosc.tpsa.pl wrote:
>Hi all
>
>Does anyone know where I can find some information on creating big projects
>in Perl (mod_perl)?
>I am facing the really big project now but I don't know what stucture of the
>program will be the best.
>
>There are such things like Struts, jBoss in Java. What about Perl?

Well, with mod_perl you have many possibilities. I would advise you to read 
http://perl.apache.org/docs/tutorials/apps/scale_etoys/etoys.html for an 
explanation about a big project involving mod_perl at EToys, and 
http://perl.apache.org/products/app-server.html for a list of application 
servers available for mod_perl (as well as maybe 
http://perl.apache.org/docs/tutorials/tmpl/comparison/comparison.html to 
look at how to choose a templating system).

You might also want to develop your own architecture based on MVC, which we 
had a long discussion about here recently. For a lot of interesting 
reading, look at these threads:
o http://mathforum.org/epigone/modperl/jilgygland
o http://mathforum.org/epigone/modperl/pahphucree
o http://mathforum.org/epigone/modperl/solchaxzim
o http://mathforum.org/epigone/modperl/lerdginspir
o http://mathforum.org/epigone/modperl/stremnemcland
o http://mathforum.org/epigone/modperl/nounumspim
o http://mathforum.org/epigone/modperl/blildeudrand
o http://mathforum.org/epigone/modperl/zhathontimp
o http://mathforum.org/epigone/modperl/drehkrerlnen
o http://mathforum.org/epigone/modperl/drurflerdplald


-- 
Per Einar Ellefsen
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