Re: KHTTPD for static and Apache/mod_perl for dynamic??
]- I'm not sure but I think phttpd is included in RH6.2 Wow..., you're right. What a trip. Okay, I'm going to grab the srpm for RH's site, and extract it into a tarball. It'll be on my anonymous ftp under the pub/matofali directory if anyone's interested. Thanks, Shane. (Thanks BTW :-) (Ftp to isupportlive.com, and cd into pub/matofali)
Re: KHTTPD for static and Apache/mod_perl for dynamic??
On Mon, May 15, 2000 at 09:48:07AM -0700, Jeffrey W. Baker wrote: On Mon, 15 May 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, May 15, 2000 at 04:37:06PM -0400, raptor wrote: hi, My question is instead of using two Apache servers OR Apache+proxy scenario (static vs dynamic pages) will it be possible to leave static pages to kHTTPD and run only one APACHE server. Did someone tried it... Well, I'm not sure specifically about khttpd..., I'm generally against in kernel httpd serving outside of an embedded device. However, you might want to look at phhttpd (people.redhat.com/zab/). It's faster than khttpd, and it runs in userland. Thanks, Shane. Shane, I noticed that all the phhttpd pages have disappeared. What's up? Hmm.., you are right. Well..., Zach doesn't work for redhat anymore. I don't have a copy of the latest source..., well, I do, but it's riddled with my own changes. I was wondering when they were going to take down his page..., damn redhat! Hrm.., well, I'll send an email off to Zach today, and try to get a mirror of the last version. (a clean one with out all my patches) Zachs website is www.zabbo.net, I'm sure he'll be posting a local copy soon. If not I'll mirror it, and let anyone know that's interested. So if you are, drop me a note. Thanks, Shane. -jwb
Re: KHTTPD for static and Apache/mod_perl for dynamic??
I noticed that all the phhttpd pages have disappeared. What's up? Hmm.., you are right. Well..., Zach doesn't work for redhat anymore. I don't have a copy of the latest source..., well, I do, but it's riddled with my own changes. I was wondering when they were going to take down his page..., damn redhat! Hrm.., well, I'll send an email off to Zach today, and try to get a mirror of the last version. (a clean one with out all my patches) Zachs website is www.zabbo.net, I'm sure he'll be posting a local copy soon. If not I'll mirror it, and let anyone know that's interested. So if you are, drop me a note. Thanks, Shane. *Update* I just got an email reply to Zach (man that was like 5 minutes..., very cool), anyhow. He said that they pulled a bunch of his stuff, but he's getting together backup stuff. It will likely be on zabbo.net in a couple days. If anyone has a tarball handy toss it my way, and I'll put it on an anonymous ftp. Thanks, Shane.
Re: KHTTPD for static and Apache/mod_perl for dynamic??
On Mon, 15 May 2000, raptor wrote: My question is instead of using two Apache servers OR Apache+proxy scenario (static vs dynamic pages) will it be possible to leave static pages to kHTTPD and run only one APACHE server. It will, but you're missing part of the benefit from the proxy scenario. As the guide explains, running a proxy in front of your dynamic page server will help keep the number of processes down by dealing with slow clients for you. A super fast server for images and truly static pages is a good idea, although a simple stripped-down apache will probably handle more static page traffic than you can afford the bandwidth for anyway. - Perrin
Re: KHTTPD for static and Apache/mod_perl for dynamic??
On Mon, May 15, 2000 at 12:20:19PM -0700, Perrin Harkins wrote: On Mon, 15 May 2000, raptor wrote: My question is instead of using two Apache servers OR Apache+proxy scenario (static vs dynamic pages) will it be possible to leave static pages to kHTTPD and run only one APACHE server. It will, but you're missing part of the benefit from the proxy scenario. As the guide explains, running a proxy in front of your dynamic page server will help keep the number of processes down by dealing with slow clients for you. A super fast server for images and truly static pages is a good idea, although a simple stripped-down apache will probably handle more static page traffic than you can afford the bandwidth for anyway. - Perrin Perrin, These httpd static accelerators do 100 times better than apache does. They only have ONE process per CPU :-). No matter how many clients their dishing out to simultaneoulsy. Thanks, Shane.
Re: KHTTPD for static and Apache/mod_perl for dynamic??
On Mon, 15 May 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] These httpd static accelerators do 100 times better than apache does. I don't believe that's true. And it doesn't change Perrin's point (that apache is sufficient for most pipes anyway). - ask -- ask bjoern hansen - http://www.netcetera.dk/~ask/ more than 70M impressions per day, http://valueclick.com
Re: KHTTPD for static and Apache/mod_perl for dynamic??
It was an overstatement in my Zeal :-). Clearly not. Up to maybe 10x. That's the best improvement I've ever seen. But..., realistically with a well tuned apache vs. a well tuned static accelerator, probably 4x is tops. (Sorry :-) Static accels handle the thundering herd problem better as well, and can dish out to more clients simultaneously. However, I think that apache will incorporate a lot of the stuff used in Static accel's soon..., so the gap will be small. But this is very OT..., we're dynamic remember! :-) Thanks, Shane. On Mon, May 15, 2000 at 12:49:12PM -0700, Ask Bjoern Hansen wrote: On Mon, 15 May 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] These httpd static accelerators do 100 times better than apache does. 100 times is not limited to performance by the way. If you take into account simultaneous clients the memory overhead is drastically different. In terms of performance, 4x would be a slightly likely number. As the number of concurrent clients went up it would favor on the side of the static accel. With just a single client hitting the box, I would imagine the difference would be nominal. That's really were static accelorators pay off..., LOTS of simultaneous clients. I don't believe that's true. And it doesn't change Perrin's point (that apache is sufficient for most pipes anyway). - ask -- ask bjoern hansen - http://www.netcetera.dk/~ask/ more than 70M impressions per day, http://valueclick.com
Re: KHTTPD for static and Apache/mod_perl for dynamic??
"r" == raptor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: r My question is instead of using two Apache servers OR Apache+proxy r scenario (static vs dynamic pages) will it be possible to leave r static pages to kHTTPD and run only one APACHE server. Did r someone tried it... Even without knowing what kHTTPD is, I can say yes. Just change all of your images and href links to point to the proper places. That is, make anything that needs mod_perl point to the web server running Apache+mod_perl, and anything that is static to kHTTPD. This is covered in the mod_perl_tuning docs that come with your mod_perl and also in the Guide, I'm sure. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Vivek Khera, Ph.D.Khera Communications, Inc. Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rockville, MD +1-301-545-6996 GPG MIME spoken herehttp://www.khera.org/~vivek/
