Re: Templating system opinions (CGI::Application in connection witheither HTML::Template or Template::Toolkit)

2003-07-23 Thread Dave Rolsky
On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Eric wrote:

 do it all type of system. That is what made me avoid Mason, it just blew my
 head off for complexity. Now it is true, I am looking for a bit more than

There's a fine book about it.

www.masonbook.com

Just an unbiased opinion ;)


-dave

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Re: Templating system opinions (CGI::Application in connection witheither HTML::Template or Template::Toolkit)

2003-07-23 Thread Chris Winters
Eric wrote:
That was really interesting to look at. OpenInteract is really 
impressive. I guess there is always a cost to having a big
do it all type of system. That is what made me avoid Mason, it just blew 
my head off for complexity. Now it is true, I am looking for a bit more 
than what CGI::Application offers out of the box, but it may well end up 
being worthwhile to just extend rather than convert. I really appreciate 
the simple philosophy that HTML::Template and CGI::Application follow.
OpenInteract definitely does more for you. But it also has (IMO) a 
fairly sophisticated way to distribute standalone applications -- 
including data structures, initial data, security settings, 
templates and (oh yeah) the actual perl code -- and plug them into 
another OI server.

OI 1.x ties you to the Template Toolkit, but 2.x (a big improvement 
now in beta) allows you to use whatever templating engine you like. 
You lose a ton of functionality, but HTML::Template folks seem to 
like it that way :-)

One question, how do you judge that OpenInteract is more established? Is 
does look like it is actively developed, but I never heard of it before, 
and I couldn't find much indication of how popular it is.
Randal's 'far more established' may be premature :-) Taking a strict 
time perspective: from Backpan it looks like CGI::Application was 
first released to CPAN in July 2000, while OI was first released in 
February 2001. (I'd thought it was October 2000, but it's funny the 
tricks your memory will play.)

As to other definitions of 'established' I haven't followed 
CGI::Application development to say either way. There have been more 
articles published on CGI::Application and it seems to have a larger 
userbase, partly because it's easier to get started with and wrap 
your head around everything it does. Classic trade-off :-)

Good luck!

Chris

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Re: Templating system opinions (CGI::Application in connection witheither HTML::Template or Template::Toolkit)

2003-07-23 Thread Chris Winters
Dave Rolsky wrote:
There's a fine book about it.

www.masonbook.com

Just an unbiased opinion ;)
Hey, I'd be happy to write a book about OpenInteract ;-)

Chris

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