[ANN] unicorn 4.8.3 - the end of an era
Changes: This release updates documentation to reflect the migration of the mailing list to a new public-inbox[1] instance. This is necessary due to the impending RubyForge shutdown on May 15, 2014. The public-inbox address is: unicorn-pub...@bogomips.org (no subscription required, plain text only) ssoma[2] git archives: git://bogomips.org/unicorn-public browser-friendly archives: http://bogomips.org/unicorn-public/ Using, getting help for, and contributing to unicorn will never require any of the following: 1) non-Free software (including SaaS) 2) registration or sign-in of any kind 3) a real identity (we accept mail from Mixmaster) 4) a graphical user interface Nowadays, plain-text email is the only ubiquitous platform which meets all our requirements for communication. There is also one small bugfix to handle premature grandparent death upon initial startup. Most users are unaffected. [1] policy: http://public-inbox.org/ - git://80x24.org/public-inbox an archives first approach to mailing lists [2] mechanism: http://ssoma.public-inbox.org/ - git://80x24.org/ssoma some sort of mail archiver (using git) * http://unicorn.bogomips.org/ * unicorn-pub...@bogomips.org * git://bogomips.org/unicorn.git * http://unicorn.bogomips.org/NEWS.atom.xml -- Eric Wong __ http://bogomips.org/unicorn-public/ - unicorn-pub...@bogomips.org please quote as little as necessary when replying
Re: [ANN] unicorn 4.8.3 - the end of an era
Hi Eric and all, I'm sorry if I'm the dumbest guy in the room, but I absolutely don't understand what I have to do to stay in the mailing list. Would you mind explaining what a regular subscriber has to do to keep receiving those emails in their inbox? Thanks -- Jérémy Lecour : http://jeremy.wordpress.com - http://twitter.com/jlecour __ http://bogomips.org/unicorn-public/ - unicorn-pub...@bogomips.org please quote as little as necessary when replying
Re: [ANN] unicorn 4.8.3 - the end of an era
Jérémy Lecour jeremy.lec...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Eric and all, I'm sorry if I'm the dumbest guy in the room, but I absolutely don't understand what I have to do to stay in the mailing list. Sorry about the confusion, I'll try to clarify... Would you mind explaining what a regular subscriber has to do to keep receiving those emails in their inbox? You use ssoma[1] to to import mail into your inbox. This is like how slrnpull works with NNTP or getmail/fetchmail works with POP. It's only a one-way sync, but you can import it into an IMAP folder. Currently there's no SMTP delivery component, but I could probably set one up this week if there's enough demand for one. The subscriber list will be public, though. [1] http://ssoma.public-inbox.org/ Taken from http://unicorn.bogomips.org/ISSUES based on what I wrote in: http://bogomips.org/unicorn-public/m/20140421183728.ga27...@dcvr.yhbt.net.html URL=git://bogomips.org/unicorn-public LISTNAME=unicorn # to initialize a maildir (this may be a new or existing maildir, # ssoma will not touch existing messages) # If you prefer mbox, use mbox:/path/to/mbox as the last argument # You may also use imap://$MAILSERVER/INBOX for an IMAP account # or imaps:// for an IMAPS account, as well. ssoma add $LISTNAME $URL maildir:/path/to/maildir # read with your favorite MUA (only using mutt as an example) mutt -f /path/to/maildir # (or /path/to/mbox) # to keep your mbox or maildir up-to-date, periodically run the following: ssoma sync $LISTNAME # your MUA may modify and delete messages from the maildir or mbox, # this does not affect ssoma functionality at all # to sync all your ssoma subscriptions ssoma sync # You may wish to sync in your cronjob ssoma sync --cron __ http://bogomips.org/unicorn-public/ - unicorn-pub...@bogomips.org please quote as little as necessary when replying
Re: [ANN] unicorn 4.8.3 - the end of an era
+1, pushing to ssoma when emails standards empire is very strong is way too much... Another mailing list in another server should be created... regards, bráulio On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 5:05 AM, Eric Wong e...@80x24.org wrote: Changes: This release updates documentation to reflect the migration of the mailing list to a new public-inbox[1] instance. This is necessary due to the impending RubyForge shutdown on May 15, 2014. The public-inbox address is: unicorn-pub...@bogomips.org (no subscription required, plain text only) ssoma[2] git archives: git://bogomips.org/unicorn-public browser-friendly archives: http://bogomips.org/unicorn-public/ Using, getting help for, and contributing to unicorn will never require any of the following: 1) non-Free software (including SaaS) 2) registration or sign-in of any kind 3) a real identity (we accept mail from Mixmaster) 4) a graphical user interface Nowadays, plain-text email is the only ubiquitous platform which meets all our requirements for communication. There is also one small bugfix to handle premature grandparent death upon initial startup. Most users are unaffected. [1] policy: http://public-inbox.org/ - git://80x24.org/public-inbox an archives first approach to mailing lists [2] mechanism: http://ssoma.public-inbox.org/ - git://80x24.org/ssoma some sort of mail archiver (using git) * http://unicorn.bogomips.org/ * unicorn-pub...@bogomips.org * git://bogomips.org/unicorn.git * http://unicorn.bogomips.org/NEWS.atom.xml -- Eric Wong __ http://bogomips.org/unicorn-public/ - unicorn-pub...@bogomips.org please quote as little as necessary when replying -- Lute pela sua ideologia. Seja um com sua ideologia. Viva pela sua ideologia. Morra por sua ideologia P.R. Sarkar EITA - Educação, Informação e Tecnologias para Autogestão http://cirandas.net/brauliobo http://eita.org.br Paramapurusha é meu pai e Parama Prakriti é minha mãe. O universo é meu lar e todos nós somos cidadãos deste cosmo. Este universo é a imaginação da Mente Macrocósmica, e todas as entidades estão sendo criadas, preservadas e destruídas nas fases de extroversão e introversão do fluxo imaginativo cósmico. No âmbito pessoal, quando uma pessoa imagina algo em sua mente, naquele momento, essa pessoa é a única proprietária daquilo que ela imagina, e ninguém mais. Quando um ser humano criado mentalmente caminha por um milharal também imaginado, a pessoa imaginada não é a propriedade desse milharal, pois ele pertence ao indivíduo que o está imaginando. Este universo foi criado na imaginação de Brahma, a Entidade Suprema, por isso a propriedade deste universo é de Brahma, e não dos microcosmos que também foram criados pela imaginação de Brahma. Nenhuma propriedade deste mundo, mutável ou imutável, pertence a um indivíduo em particular; tudo é o patrimônio comum de todos. Restante do texto em http://cirandas.net/brauliobo/blog/a-problematica-de-hoje-em-dia __ http://bogomips.org/unicorn-public/ - unicorn-pub...@bogomips.org please quote as little as necessary when replying
handling SMTP subscribers to public-inboxen
Alejandro Riera ari...@gmail.com wrote: Lin Jen-Shin (godfat) god...@godfat.org wrote: I guess I am too lazy/busy to dig into this, so an SMTP would be great for me. I am also ok to be listed as a public subscriber. Same here, SMTP sounds great :) Copying discussion to the m...@public-inbox.org list... Thanks all for your response. I'll set up something on the ssoma side which replays messages to subscribers. This will make it easy to fork/migrate subscription lists to different servers. I'll probably use VERP[1] to handle bounces. However, most of the normal bounce processing mechanisms (including VERP) seems to leave users open to malicious unsubscribes. In other words, an attacker may fake bounce messages to take users off a list (VERP or not). The reference documentation for VERP just makes faking bounces trivially easy. So I think we need to make the bounce address unguessable by the attacker. Perhaps using something like Crypt-VERPString[2] is necessary? Keep in mind somebody sniffing your plain-text SMTP traffic will (and will always) be able to extract the bounce address; so this only increases the difficulty level to do a malicious unsubscribe. The secret key should be able to change when migrating between servers (or if compromised) without being a big problem, as most bounces occur hours/days within delivery time; not months/years afterwards. [1] http://cr.yp.to/proto/verp.txt [2] http://search.cpan.org/dist/Crypt-VERPString __ http://bogomips.org/unicorn-public/ - unicorn-pub...@bogomips.org please quote as little as necessary when replying
Re: [ANN] unicorn 4.8.3 - the end of an era
On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 2:46 AM, Eric Wong e...@80x24.org wrote: Jérémy Lecour jeremy.lec...@gmail.com wrote: Would you mind explaining what a regular subscriber has to do to keep receiving those emails in their inbox? You use ssoma[1] to to import mail into your inbox. This is like how slrnpull works with NNTP or getmail/fetchmail works with POP. It's only a one-way sync, but you can import it into an IMAP folder. Currently there's no SMTP delivery component, but I could probably set one up this week if there's enough demand for one. The subscriber list will be public, though. Is there some compelling reason why the mailing list simply cannot be moved to another provider? IMHO your users and fellow developers shouldn't have to do anything other than change the submission address. I respect your desire to power the communication platform with free software (and I'm sure this can still be done with Mailman or whatever), but keep in mind the practical reality of our time, where most of us these days are now comfortably using Webmail or or POP/IMAP against a remote server that's not under the user's control and have no desire to implement yet another communication conduit. Thanks, --Michael __ http://bogomips.org/unicorn-public/ - unicorn-pub...@bogomips.org please quote as little as necessary when replying
Re: [ANN] unicorn 4.8.3 - the end of an era
Michael Fischer mfisc...@zendesk.com wrote: Is there some compelling reason why the mailing list simply cannot be moved to another provider? IMHO your users and fellow developers shouldn't have to do anything other than change the submission address. We would need to migrate again if/when that provider goes dead or service starts deteriorating. Ease-of-migration and being forkable again in the future was the top priority. If I'm hit by a bus or start allowing too much spam, it should be trivially easy to migrate the project[1] and all its archives and infrastructure. I respect your desire to power the communication platform with free software (and I'm sure this can still be done with Mailman or whatever), but keep in mind the practical reality of our time, where most of us these days are now comfortably using Webmail or or POP/IMAP against a remote server that's not under the user's control and have no desire to implement yet another communication conduit. I will probably take the addresses of active subscribers who've posted here[2] imported into the new delivery system, even. It would be great to be able to make the list of ML subscribers public, too, to ensure forkability. I'm not sure how the lurkers will react to that, though... [1] of course, whoever takes over may not be a Free Software zealot like myself. [2] those addresses are already public, but lurkers will probably have to resubscribe (or use ssoma or the Atom feed). __ http://bogomips.org/unicorn-public/ - unicorn-pub...@bogomips.org please quote as little as necessary when replying
