Re: Koschei group

[Radka Janekova]

On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 5:54 PM Darryl T. Agostinelli <
dagostine...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 10:12 AM Peter Oliver <
> lists.fedoraproject@mavit.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> Would it be valuable to create a `mono` package group in Koschei?
>
>
> Yes.  It would.
>
> Over the past some years, I have found it challenging (not impossible) to
> work with Mono + NuGet + all the incarnations of the .NET library in Linux
> or in Windows (both)  (dependency hell sorts of challenges and backward
> compatibility issues)  Whatever we can do to expose issues quickly, will
> help all of this get better.
>

Well that's simple now as long as libraries correctly target .NET Standard
instead of Framework or other things :)


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Re: Mono 4 issues and Mono 5

[Radka Janekova]

Awesome Timotheus, thank you for all this work on mono!


+dotnet-sig for more eyes

Radka

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On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 9:50 PM Timotheus Pokorra 
wrote:

> Dear members of the Mono SIG group,
>
> I have been working in the past week on building Mono 5 for Fedora Rawhide.
>
> This has been made possible by the work of directhex, who fixed the build
> for Debian.
> For details on his work see https://github.com/mono/mono/issues/7445
>
> The discussion lives at
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1436896
>
> Unfortunately we are too late for the upcoming Fedora 30, since the change
> affects quite a number of packages.
> For Mono 4, we needed a bootstrap build, and filed it as a system wide
> change: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Mono_4
> I will prepare a similar change proposal for Mono 5 for Fedora 31.
>
> Please can you look at the code, and evaluate if the package is properly
> built?
> The source is still here:
> https://github.com/tpokorra/mono-5.x-fedora/tree/master/mono-5.18
> After the change proposal gets accepted, I would put it in the proper
> source control in https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/mono
> The package is built here:
> https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/tpokorra/mono-5.18/
>
> Another issue I want to bring up is the state of Mono 4 in Fedora 30.
> I probably committed a mistake, by disabling the ppc64 builds for Mono due
> to a long standing bug on that architecture.
> I just did not want mono to be FTBFS for yet another Fedora release.
> See the details here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1588734
> It seems, that now all packages depending on Mono cannot be built anymore,
> because they still have ppc64 enabled.
> What do you think, is this really a problem, and if yes, how can we
> resolve it?
> In Rawhide, things should go back to normal as soon as Mono 5 has landed.
> Should we consider porting Mono 5 back to Fedora 30 after the Fedora 30
> release? But that would contradict calling it a system wide change...
> Or we disable ppc64 in Fedora 30 altogether? It should be available in
> Fedora 31 again.
>
> Any suggestions and help in testing and evaluating are welcome!
>
> All the best,
>   Timotheus
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Mono - Do we have a maintainer?

[Radka Janekova]

Hi,

mono-devel packages are far behind upstream, and the mono-sig seems
unresponsive as whole. This leads me to a question, do we have a maintainer
for mono?

I can take a look at it within the next month or two if there really isn't
anyone else...

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Radka

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Developer portal update

[Radka Janekova]

Hey guys,

I've been updating the dev portal to also contain .netcore stuff. This
issue has been raised, please review and throw something into the
discussion!

https://github.com/developer-portal/content/issues/217

Regards,
Radka

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Re: mono help

[Radka Janekova]

Hi again!

Jetbrains Rider is for free right now, as it is not released yet (it does
have a few bugs here and there, but it's bearable even for large projects.)
After it will be released, Jetbrains is known for giving out freebies for
open source, non-commercial contributors.
MonoDevelop is nice on Linux, however it is not cross-platform anymore,
mono is rather useless on windows, has lower performance, and loads of
other disadvantages - only very few advantages. And you obviously can't
write .NET Core with it. You can also take a look at VS Code for netcore
projects on linux. See the microsoft ASP.NET Core tutorial in which they
demonstrate it.

> [1] https://developer.fedoraproject.org/tech/languages/csharp/mono-
installation.html

Yes, we will be re-shaping that page to fit the new age of C# on Linux
within next few months.


Best regards,
Radka

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On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 8:32 PM, Catalin  wrote:

> Hi.
>
> Thank you for help Radka.
> I read your infos and docs from the links,
> also , I subscribe to mono mailing list.
> The jetbrains.com - rider is cool but € 299.00 is huge for one IDE.
> I used the default mono fedora IDE - MonoDevelop and is free.
> I used C# with windows and AForge libs, Unity under Windows in the past.
>
> I need to use with libs into Fedora - linux and Gtk .
> I saw some packages con be imported into MonoDevelop but not docs, example
> or tutorials and this make me dig to libs and development.
>
> I think will be great if fedora user will have a learning C# option
> (maybe a wiki page, magazine articles - tutorials or here[1])
>
> [1] https://developer.fedoraproject.org/tech/languages/csharp/mono-
> installation.html
>
> Thank you. Best regards,
> Cătălin George Feștilă - mythcat
>
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Re: mono fedora integration and help

[Radka Janekova]

Steering the conversation towards MONO SIG mailing list:
mono@lists.fedoraproject.org[1] (Please subscribe to it before carrying on
and please leave the devel list out of further conversation.)

You can (or rather you should) also take a look at the actual dotnet
instead of mono, we also have .NET SIG[2] maintaining dotnet packages in
Fedora. If you would have questions about dotnet, feel free to ask in our
mailing list[3] or irc[4] (but please don't leave right after asking a
question - it takes hours to get an answer when people are asleep.
Timezones.) Or you can ask me off the list as well, i'll be happy to answer
any questions. You can install dotnet packages from our copr[5]

A bit of info what is .NET Core, since you don't seem like you know about
it - here[6]

And last but not least I would recommend looking at Jetbrains Rider[7] IDE
for your C# needs, whether it would be mono, netcore or aspnetcore.


[1] Mono mailing list:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/mono.lists.fedoraproject.org
[2] DotNet SIG: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/DotNet
[3] .NET mailing list:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/dotnet-sig.lists.fedoraproject.org
[4] #fedora-dotnet on Freenode:
https://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#fedora-dotnet
[5] DotNet packages for Fedora: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DotNet
[6] .NET Core: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/articles/core/index
ASP.NET Core training:
https://mva.microsoft.com/en-US/training-courses/aspnet-core-10-crossplatform-17039?l=xVagIgJOD_7201937555
[7] Jetbrains Rider: https://www.jetbrains.com/rider


Best regards,
Radka

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On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Matthew Miller 
wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 03:40:39PM +0200, Catalin wrote:
> > Sorry , I supposed your mission is also
> > "developing WITH Fedora"
>
> It's in the general Fedora mission, but not that of _this_ particular
> mailing list. We also have a Mono SIG
> https://developer.fedoraproject.org/tech/languages/csharp/mono-sig.html
> which is focused primarily on making sure Mono is available in Fedora
> (but may also cover user issues related to that).
>
>
>
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