Re: [Mono-dev] Mono .Net difference - handling xs:extension please help
Hello Timotheus, Thanks and will try. Perhaps you can give me some assistance with MonoDevelop/Mono. In MS .Net, I can stay in say XP (even it has reached end of life) and still can run VS2010 with .Net 4. But in Mint, I seem to be stuck in the version of Mono I can get, hence that old version you are seeing. Is there a trustworthy PPA that allows me to use the latest Mono/MonoDevelop without having to upgrade the OS? I am new to this kind of behavour where I have get a new OS just to get a new version of application. Thanks. MarL -- View this message in context: http://mono.1490590.n4.nabble.com/Mono-Net-difference-handling-xs-extension-please-help-tp4664552p4664556.html Sent from the Mono - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] Mono .Net difference - handling xs:extension please help
Hello MarL, Don't worry, no need to install a new OS... Please have a look on the download page: http://www.mono-project.com/download/#download-lin see the link http://www.mono-project.com/docs/getting-started/install/linux/#debian-ubuntu-and-derivatives I think that even provides a recent version of MonoDevelop. Yes: http://origin-download.mono-project.com/repo/debian/pool/main/m/monodevelop/ So after adding the Xamarin repository to your apt sources, apt-get update apt-get install mono-devel monodevelop should work for you. I hope this helps, Timotheus On 12 November 2014 10:34, MarLOne infoseeker...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Timotheus, Thanks and will try. Perhaps you can give me some assistance with MonoDevelop/Mono. In MS .Net, I can stay in say XP (even it has reached end of life) and still can run VS2010 with .Net 4. But in Mint, I seem to be stuck in the version of Mono I can get, hence that old version you are seeing. Is there a trustworthy PPA that allows me to use the latest Mono/MonoDevelop without having to upgrade the OS? I am new to this kind of behavour where I have get a new OS just to get a new version of application. Thanks. MarL -- View this message in context: http://mono.1490590.n4.nabble.com/Mono-Net-difference-handling-xs-extension-please-help-tp4664552p4664556.html Sent from the Mono - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list -- Kontaktdaten: in Plauen: 03741 7424995 ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] Mono .Net difference - handling xs:extension please help
Hello Timotheus, I have the answer for you. I have a VM with Mint17 which has Mono runtime 3.2.8 which is one major version that I reported earlier. So I build a console application to test using this schema (embedded resource) with this sample instance document. This also gives me a good test of compatibility that Mono has been promoting. I then took this console application and run it in my Windows 7 with the most up to date .Net installed. It ran perfectly as expected verbatim without recompilation. This therefore indicates the IL code thus generated is not at fault. I then took this console application and xml document to my Mint 17 and ran it. As expected, it failed with the same message produced by the old version of Mono runtime. Therefore I would dare to claim that the problem exists much further back and is in the Mono runtime. What I am using is nothing new or even edge case. In fact, the construct is as old as .Net2. So what next? If I stay with Mono, to get around this gotcha I have to abandon a perfectly valid schema (data model). This is placing the cart in front of the horse. I opened the instance document in MonoDevelop ver 4.2.2 (yes it is old and it is because Linux/Mint does not allow me to move to newer version) and then hit Tools Xml Validate. Well the screen lights up like a Christmas tree and pointing to the same place as I have found. Even more worryingly, that tool does not even handle the xsi:schemaLocation hint while Eclipse did that flawlessly. I appreciate the great work of Open Source in bringing Mono to something workable. But after falling into holes so many times believing this cross-platform development tool, Mono has lost my trust particularly not knowing where is the next incompatible gotcha! This is no different than a calculator produces erroneous result with certain expression kind and one does not know which expression pattern. This problem plus the others that I have unearthed are seriously matters. I would rather prefer Mono fails to compile or supporting MS .Net construct (fail early and fail loud) than slipping in minefield silently like this wasting people's time. Has this simple scenario been tested? MarL -- View this message in context: http://mono.1490590.n4.nabble.com/Mono-Net-difference-handling-xs-extension-please-help-tp4664552p4664559.html Sent from the Mono - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] Mono .Net difference - handling xs:extension please help
Probably is the core System.Xml class library assembly that misses some functionality. It is kind of lower priority these days as most people is moving to schema-less serialization with either Xml or JSON. Surely nobody needed to exercise the extension mechanism before, so that's is why it is still broken, that is characteristic of any Open Source project. If you really need it please open an issue, and help pinpoint the real cause for the behavior, better yet, if you can: fix it and send a Pull Request. Best regards, Rafael Teixeira O..:.) On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 8:51 AM, MarLOne infoseeker...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Timotheus, I have the answer for you. I have a VM with Mint17 which has Mono runtime 3.2.8 which is one major version that I reported earlier. So I build a console application to test using this schema (embedded resource) with this sample instance document. This also gives me a good test of compatibility that Mono has been promoting. I then took this console application and run it in my Windows 7 with the most up to date .Net installed. It ran perfectly as expected verbatim without recompilation. This therefore indicates the IL code thus generated is not at fault. I then took this console application and xml document to my Mint 17 and ran it. As expected, it failed with the same message produced by the old version of Mono runtime. Therefore I would dare to claim that the problem exists much further back and is in the Mono runtime. What I am using is nothing new or even edge case. In fact, the construct is as old as .Net2. So what next? If I stay with Mono, to get around this gotcha I have to abandon a perfectly valid schema (data model). This is placing the cart in front of the horse. I opened the instance document in MonoDevelop ver 4.2.2 (yes it is old and it is because Linux/Mint does not allow me to move to newer version) and then hit Tools Xml Validate. Well the screen lights up like a Christmas tree and pointing to the same place as I have found. Even more worryingly, that tool does not even handle the xsi:schemaLocation hint while Eclipse did that flawlessly. I appreciate the great work of Open Source in bringing Mono to something workable. But after falling into holes so many times believing this cross-platform development tool, Mono has lost my trust particularly not knowing where is the next incompatible gotcha! This is no different than a calculator produces erroneous result with certain expression kind and one does not know which expression pattern. This problem plus the others that I have unearthed are seriously matters. I would rather prefer Mono fails to compile or supporting MS .Net construct (fail early and fail loud) than slipping in minefield silently like this wasting people's time. Has this simple scenario been tested? MarL -- View this message in context: http://mono.1490590.n4.nabble.com/Mono-Net-difference-handling-xs-extension-please-help-tp4664552p4664559.html Sent from the Mono - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] Mono .Net difference - handling xs:extension please help
For completeness sake I tested it on Mono 3.10 and latest master, it throws the same error there too, so it's definitely a bug in Mono :) -- Alex Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 09:49:34 -0200 From: mono...@gmail.com To: infoseeker...@gmail.com CC: mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com Subject: Re: [Mono-dev] Mono .Net difference - handling xs:extension please help Probably is the core System.Xml class library assembly that misses some functionality. It is kind of lower priority these days as most people is moving to schema-less serialization with either Xml or JSON.Surely nobody needed to exercise the extension mechanism before, so that's is why it is still broken, that is characteristic of any Open Source project.If you really need it please open an issue, and help pinpoint the real cause for the behavior, better yet, if you can: fix it and send a Pull Request. Best regards, Rafael Teixeira O..:.) On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 8:51 AM, MarLOne infoseeker...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Timotheus, I have the answer for you. I have a VM with Mint17 which has Mono runtime 3.2.8 which is one major version that I reported earlier. So I build a console application to test using this schema (embedded resource) with this sample instance document. This also gives me a good test of compatibility that Mono has been promoting. I then took this console application and run it in my Windows 7 with the most up to date .Net installed. It ran perfectly as expected verbatim without recompilation. This therefore indicates the IL code thus generated is not at fault. I then took this console application and xml document to my Mint 17 and ran it. As expected, it failed with the same message produced by the old version of Mono runtime. Therefore I would dare to claim that the problem exists much further back and is in the Mono runtime. What I am using is nothing new or even edge case. In fact, the construct is as old as .Net2. So what next? If I stay with Mono, to get around this gotcha I have to abandon a perfectly valid schema (data model). This is placing the cart in front of the horse. I opened the instance document in MonoDevelop ver 4.2.2 (yes it is old and it is because Linux/Mint does not allow me to move to newer version) and then hit Tools Xml Validate. Well the screen lights up like a Christmas tree and pointing to the same place as I have found. Even more worryingly, that tool does not even handle the xsi:schemaLocation hint while Eclipse did that flawlessly. I appreciate the great work of Open Source in bringing Mono to something workable. But after falling into holes so many times believing this cross-platform development tool, Mono has lost my trust particularly not knowing where is the next incompatible gotcha! This is no different than a calculator produces erroneous result with certain expression kind and one does not know which expression pattern. This problem plus the others that I have unearthed are seriously matters. I would rather prefer Mono fails to compile or supporting MS .Net construct (fail early and fail loud) than slipping in minefield silently like this wasting people's time. Has this simple scenario been tested? MarL -- View this message in context: http://mono.1490590.n4.nabble.com/Mono-Net-difference-handling-xs-extension-please-help-tp4664552p4664559.html Sent from the Mono - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] Mono .Net difference - handling xs:extension please help
Hello,
If you believe xs:complexType/xs:extension is that superficial, could
you explain why the validation result is wrong?
Dealing with xs:complexType is one of the most complicated XML schema
validation technology, which involved handful of ambiguity, which may be
fixed in later specifications, after we have implemented this feature
mostly in 2003-2004.
Atsushi Eno
On 2014年11月12日 15:15, MarLOne wrote:
Hello,
Not sure if this issue has been raised as it is driving me nuts as another
Mono/.Net runtime behavior differences.
I have a xml schema called FamilyTree2.xsd FamilyTree2.xsd
http://mono.1490590.n4.nabble.com/file/n4664552/FamilyTree2.xsd . This
has been validate in Eclipse's Xsd Editor.
Then I have an instance document created using this schema and is called
FamilyTree2SimplePerson.xml FamilyTree2SimplePerson.xml
http://mono.1490590.n4.nabble.com/file/n4664552/FamilyTree2SimplePerson.xml
I then use xsd.exe in Mono runtime 2.10.8.1 to generate a C# class from the
schema. I then use the following code to deserialize the instance document
into an person object:
[Test]
public void TestSimplePerson ()
{
const String testFile = FamilyTree2SimplePerson.xml;
String fileName = Path.Combine( Constants.DataFilesDirectory,
testFile );
Assert.IsTrue( File.Exists( fileName ) );
LMar.Demo.person p = null;
using( Stream input = File.OpenRead( fileName ) )
{
XmlReaderSettings rs = new XmlReaderSettings();
rs.Schemas = new XmlSchemaSet();
rs.Schemas.Add( SchemaLoaders.FamilyTree2 );
rs.ValidationType = ValidationType.Schema;
using( XmlReader reader = XmlReader.Create( input, rs ) )
{
XmlSerializer ser = new XmlSerializer( typeof(
LMar.Demo.person ) );
p = ser.Deserialize( reader ) as LMar.Demo.person; //
XmlSchemaValiationException
Assert.IsNotNull( p );
}
}
The schema is embedded into the assembly as embedded resource,
The exception message is as follows:
System.Xml.Schema.XmlSchemaValiationException: XmlSchema error: Attribute
declaration was not found for name XML Line 6, Position 12.
person is the base class of spouse which uses the xs:extension to define it
in the schema. This error message points to the name for the spouse object.
I believe this is a Mono MS .Net incompatibility runtime error for the
following reasons:
1) The instance document has been validated by Eclipse xsd/xml editor as
well as online validator. In fact the instance document was created by
Eclipse xml editor.
2) The same code ( the xsd generated code produced in .Net and Mono appear
to be the same) shown above runs without error in MS .Net and retrieving all
the values.
Has anyone discovered this error? It is a simple usage of xs:extension, a
very commonly used construct and should not cause any incompatibility.
It is so disheartening to see superficial compatibility while beneath the
surface so much differences. Is there a site that lists this kind of runtime
incompatibility for people wanting to use Mono as serious tool? Every time I
push Mono, I end up in a hole like this as I have encountered time and time
again incompatibilities.
Is there some quirky flags in the XmlReaderSettings to get this going in
Mono?
Thanks.
MarL
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Re: [Mono-dev] Mono .Net difference - handling xs:extension please help
Actually I was wrong, it's already there:
https://github.com/Microsoft/referencesource/tree/master/System.Xml/System/Xml/Schema
Atsushi Eno
On 2014年11月13日 00:05, Atsushi Eno wrote:
And Microsoft has announced open-sourcing .NET! So you don't have to
spread your hate speech on bugs, we will take their good code.
https://github.com/dotnet/corefx/tree/master/src
(No XML Schema implementation yet, but I assume that would happen at
some stage.)
Atsushi Eno
On 2014年11月12日 22:44, Atsushi Eno wrote:
Hello,
If you believe xs:complexType/xs:extension is that superficial, could
you explain why the validation result is wrong?
Dealing with xs:complexType is one of the most complicated XML schema
validation technology, which involved handful of ambiguity, which may
be fixed in later specifications, after we have implemented this
feature mostly in 2003-2004.
Atsushi Eno
On 2014年11月12日 15:15, MarLOne wrote:
Hello,
Not sure if this issue has been raised as it is driving me nuts as
another
Mono/.Net runtime behavior differences.
I have a xml schema called FamilyTree2.xsd FamilyTree2.xsd
http://mono.1490590.n4.nabble.com/file/n4664552/FamilyTree2.xsd .
This
has been validate in Eclipse's Xsd Editor.
Then I have an instance document created using this schema and is
called
FamilyTree2SimplePerson.xml FamilyTree2SimplePerson.xml
http://mono.1490590.n4.nabble.com/file/n4664552/FamilyTree2SimplePerson.xml
I then use xsd.exe in Mono runtime 2.10.8.1 to generate a C# class
from the
schema. I then use the following code to deserialize the instance
document
into an person object:
[Test]
public void TestSimplePerson ()
{
const String testFile = FamilyTree2SimplePerson.xml;
String fileName = Path.Combine(
Constants.DataFilesDirectory,
testFile );
Assert.IsTrue( File.Exists( fileName ) );
LMar.Demo.person p = null;
using( Stream input = File.OpenRead( fileName ) )
{
XmlReaderSettings rs = new XmlReaderSettings();
rs.Schemas = new XmlSchemaSet();
rs.Schemas.Add( SchemaLoaders.FamilyTree2 );
rs.ValidationType = ValidationType.Schema;
using( XmlReader reader =
XmlReader.Create( input, rs ) )
{
XmlSerializer ser = new XmlSerializer( typeof(
LMar.Demo.person ) );
p = ser.Deserialize( reader ) as
LMar.Demo.person; //
XmlSchemaValiationException
Assert.IsNotNull( p );
}
}
The schema is embedded into the assembly as embedded resource,
The exception message is as follows:
System.Xml.Schema.XmlSchemaValiationException: XmlSchema error:
Attribute
declaration was not found for name XML Line 6, Position 12.
person is the base class of spouse which uses the xs:extension to
define it
in the schema. This error message points to the name for the spouse
object.
I believe this is a Mono MS .Net incompatibility runtime error for
the
following reasons:
1) The instance document has been validated by Eclipse xsd/xml
editor as
well as online validator. In fact the instance document was created by
Eclipse xml editor.
2) The same code ( the xsd generated code produced in .Net and Mono
appear
to be the same) shown above runs without error in MS .Net and
retrieving all
the values.
Has anyone discovered this error? It is a simple usage of
xs:extension, a
very commonly used construct and should not cause any incompatibility.
It is so disheartening to see superficial compatibility while
beneath the
surface so much differences. Is there a site that lists this kind of
runtime
incompatibility for people wanting to use Mono as serious tool?
Every time I
push Mono, I end up in a hole like this as I have encountered time
and time
again incompatibilities.
Is there some quirky flags in the XmlReaderSettings to get this
going in
Mono?
Thanks.
MarL
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[Mono-dev] .NET Announcement
Hi All, I have no words... http://www.hanselman.com/blog/AnnouncingNET2015NETAsOpenSourceNETOnMacAndLinuxAndVisualStudioCommunity.aspx Martin ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] Mono .Net difference - handling xs:extension please help
And Microsoft has announced open-sourcing .NET! So you don't have to
spread your hate speech on bugs, we will take their good code.
https://github.com/dotnet/corefx/tree/master/src
(No XML Schema implementation yet, but I assume that would happen at
some stage.)
Atsushi Eno
On 2014年11月12日 22:44, Atsushi Eno wrote:
Hello,
If you believe xs:complexType/xs:extension is that superficial, could
you explain why the validation result is wrong?
Dealing with xs:complexType is one of the most complicated XML schema
validation technology, which involved handful of ambiguity, which may
be fixed in later specifications, after we have implemented this
feature mostly in 2003-2004.
Atsushi Eno
On 2014年11月12日 15:15, MarLOne wrote:
Hello,
Not sure if this issue has been raised as it is driving me nuts as
another
Mono/.Net runtime behavior differences.
I have a xml schema called FamilyTree2.xsd FamilyTree2.xsd
http://mono.1490590.n4.nabble.com/file/n4664552/FamilyTree2.xsd . This
has been validate in Eclipse's Xsd Editor.
Then I have an instance document created using this schema and is called
FamilyTree2SimplePerson.xml FamilyTree2SimplePerson.xml
http://mono.1490590.n4.nabble.com/file/n4664552/FamilyTree2SimplePerson.xml
I then use xsd.exe in Mono runtime 2.10.8.1 to generate a C# class
from the
schema. I then use the following code to deserialize the instance
document
into an person object:
[Test]
public void TestSimplePerson ()
{
const String testFile = FamilyTree2SimplePerson.xml;
String fileName = Path.Combine(
Constants.DataFilesDirectory,
testFile );
Assert.IsTrue( File.Exists( fileName ) );
LMar.Demo.person p = null;
using( Stream input = File.OpenRead( fileName ) )
{
XmlReaderSettings rs = new XmlReaderSettings();
rs.Schemas = new XmlSchemaSet();
rs.Schemas.Add( SchemaLoaders.FamilyTree2 );
rs.ValidationType = ValidationType.Schema;
using( XmlReader reader =
XmlReader.Create( input, rs ) )
{
XmlSerializer ser = new XmlSerializer( typeof(
LMar.Demo.person ) );
p = ser.Deserialize( reader ) as
LMar.Demo.person; //
XmlSchemaValiationException
Assert.IsNotNull( p );
}
}
The schema is embedded into the assembly as embedded resource,
The exception message is as follows:
System.Xml.Schema.XmlSchemaValiationException: XmlSchema error:
Attribute
declaration was not found for name XML Line 6, Position 12.
person is the base class of spouse which uses the xs:extension to
define it
in the schema. This error message points to the name for the spouse
object.
I believe this is a Mono MS .Net incompatibility runtime error for the
following reasons:
1) The instance document has been validated by Eclipse xsd/xml editor as
well as online validator. In fact the instance document was created by
Eclipse xml editor.
2) The same code ( the xsd generated code produced in .Net and Mono
appear
to be the same) shown above runs without error in MS .Net and
retrieving all
the values.
Has anyone discovered this error? It is a simple usage of
xs:extension, a
very commonly used construct and should not cause any incompatibility.
It is so disheartening to see superficial compatibility while beneath
the
surface so much differences. Is there a site that lists this kind of
runtime
incompatibility for people wanting to use Mono as serious tool? Every
time I
push Mono, I end up in a hole like this as I have encountered time
and time
again incompatibilities.
Is there some quirky flags in the XmlReaderSettings to get this going in
Mono?
Thanks.
MarL
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Re: [Mono-dev] .NET Announcement
It is not available at the moment. Could you summarise? On 12 November 2014 17:10, Martin Thwaites monofo...@my2cents.co.uk wrote: Hi All, I have no words... http://www.hanselman.com/blog/AnnouncingNET2015NETAsOpenSourceNETOnMacAndLinuxAndVisualStudioCommunity.aspx Martin ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] .NET Announcement
summary .NET is to be fully opensourced by Microsoft under the MIT Licence. /summary On 12 November 2014 16:20, Gergely Buday gbu...@gmail.com wrote: It is not available at the moment. Could you summarise? On 12 November 2014 17:10, Martin Thwaites monofo...@my2cents.co.uk wrote: Hi All, I have no words... http://www.hanselman.com/blog/AnnouncingNET2015NETAsOpenSourceNETOnMacAndLinuxAndVisualStudioCommunity.aspx Martin ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] .NET Announcement
http://news.microsoft.com/2014/11/12/microsoft-takes-net-open-source-and-cross-platform-adds-new-development-capabilities-with-visual-studio-2015-net-2015-and-visual-studio-online/ On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Martin Thwaites monofo...@my2cents.co.uk wrote: summary .NET is to be fully opensourced by Microsoft under the MIT Licence. /summary On 12 November 2014 16:20, Gergely Buday gbu...@gmail.com wrote: It is not available at the moment. Could you summarise? On 12 November 2014 17:10, Martin Thwaites monofo...@my2cents.co.uk wrote: Hi All, I have no words... http://www.hanselman.com/blog/AnnouncingNET2015NETAsOpenSourceNETOnMacAndLinuxAndVisualStudioCommunity.aspx Martin ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list -- *Andrea Francesco Iuorio* Student in Computer Science, Università degli Studi di Milano andreafrancesco.iuo...@gmail.com ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
[Mono-dev] Open source .NET and Mono.
Hey guys, I posted details about the open sourcing of .NET and Mono on my blog. We have already started the work to integrate the .NET Framework code, and once I get back to Boston after the event we will check in the results. That is the reason we did not want to take the large #ifdef patch removal a couple of weeks ago. http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2014/Nov-12.html Miguel ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] Open source .NET and Mono.
It seems to me that the work integrating the .NET code, the #ifdef removal, and deprecating the older profiles would nicely combine to justify bumping the Mono version number, as posited previously. Congratulations, and enjoy your celebration. The work you have all been doing will be greatly enhanced by today's news, and your advocacy in this area has been greatly appreciated. Johnnie Miguel de Icaza mig...@xamarin.com 11/12/14 11:04 AM Hey guys, I posted details about the open sourcing of .NET and Mono on my blog. We have already started the work to integrate the .NET Framework code, and once I get back to Boston after the event we will check in the results. That is the reason we did not want to take the large #ifdef patch removal a couple of weeks ago. http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2014/Nov-12.html Miguel ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] .NET Announcement
Rather cool! On 12 November 2014 16:24, Andrea Francesco Iuorio andreafrancesco.iuo...@gmail.com wrote: http://news.microsoft.com/2014/11/12/microsoft-takes-net-open-source-and-cross-platform-adds-new-development-capabilities-with-visual-studio-2015-net-2015-and-visual-studio-online/ On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Martin Thwaites monofo...@my2cents.co.uk wrote: summary .NET is to be fully opensourced by Microsoft under the MIT Licence. /summary On 12 November 2014 16:20, Gergely Buday gbu...@gmail.com wrote: It is not available at the moment. Could you summarise? On 12 November 2014 17:10, Martin Thwaites monofo...@my2cents.co.uk wrote: Hi All, I have no words... http://www.hanselman.com/blog/AnnouncingNET2015NETAsOpenSourceNETOnMacAndLinuxAndVisualStudioCommunity.aspx Martin ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list -- *Andrea Francesco Iuorio* Student in Computer Science, Università degli Studi di Milano andreafrancesco.iuo...@gmail.com ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] .NET Announcement
Cool 2014-11-12 19:00 GMT+01:00 Ian Norton inor...@gmail.com: Rather cool! On 12 November 2014 16:24, Andrea Francesco Iuorio andreafrancesco.iuo...@gmail.com wrote: http://news.microsoft.com/2014/11/12/microsoft-takes-net-open-source-and-cross-platform-adds-new-development-capabilities-with-visual-studio-2015-net-2015-and-visual-studio-online/ On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Martin Thwaites monofo...@my2cents.co.uk wrote: summary .NET is to be fully opensourced by Microsoft under the MIT Licence. /summary On 12 November 2014 16:20, Gergely Buday gbu...@gmail.com wrote: It is not available at the moment. Could you summarise? On 12 November 2014 17:10, Martin Thwaites monofo...@my2cents.co.uk wrote: Hi All, I have no words... http://www.hanselman.com/blog/AnnouncingNET2015NETAsOpenSourceNETOnMacAndLinuxAndVisualStudioCommunity.aspx Martin ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list -- *Andrea Francesco Iuorio* Student in Computer Science, Università degli Studi di Milano andreafrancesco.iuo...@gmail.com ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] Open source .NET and Mono.
Fantastic news! No doubt the leaders of the Mono project over the last decade-plus have had a huge impact on making this happen, both directly and indirectly. Thank you (all) for all you have done to get us to this point. On Nov 12, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Johnnie Odom jo...@escambia.k12.fl.us wrote: It seems to me that the work integrating the .NET code, the #ifdef removal, and deprecating the older profiles would nicely combine to justify bumping the Mono version number, as posited previously. Congratulations, and enjoy your celebration. The work you have all been doing will be greatly enhanced by today's news, and your advocacy in this area has been greatly appreciated. Johnnie Miguel de Icaza mig...@xamarin.com 11/12/14 11:04 AM Hey guys, I posted details about the open sourcing of .NET and Mono on my blog. We have already started the work to integrate the .NET Framework code, and once I get back to Boston after the event we will check in the results. That is the reason we did not want to take the large #ifdef patch removal a couple of weeks ago. http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2014/Nov-12.html Miguel ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-list] Open source .NET and Mono.
From: mono-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com [mailto:mono-list- boun...@lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of Miguel de Icaza Hey guys, I posted details about the open sourcing of .NET and Mono on my blog. We have already started the work to integrate the .NET Framework code, and once I get back to Boston after the event we will check in the results. That is the reason we did not want to take the large #ifdef patch removal a couple of weeks ago. http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2014/Nov-12.html WAA - HOO!!! :-D Awesome, awesome. Thank you. :-D ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-list] Open source .NET and Mono.
Xamarin Studio for Linux is comming soon!!! El mié, 12 de nov 2014 a las 2:38 , Martin Thwaites monofo...@my2cents.co.uk escribió: Next stop... Visual Studio on Linux :D On 12 November 2014 19:45, Edward Ned Harvey (mono) edward.harvey.m...@clevertrove.com wrote: From: mono-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com [mailto:mono-list- boun...@lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of Miguel de Icaza Hey guys, I posted details about the open sourcing of .NET and Mono on my blog. We have already started the work to integrate the .NET Framework code, and once I get back to Boston after the event we will check in the results. That is the reason we did not want to take the large #ifdef patch removal a couple of weeks ago. http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2014/Nov-12.html WAA - HOO!!! :-D Awesome, awesome. Thank you. :-D ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-list] Open source .NET and Mono.
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Daniel Espinosa eso...@gmail.com wrote: Xamarin Studio for Linux is comming soon!!! Technically Xamarin Studio is already on Linux under monodevelop :) Cheers, Stephen ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-list] Open source .NET and Mono.
I want Visual Studio, full, with all bells and whistles. As good as Xamarin Studio/MonoDevelop is, I'd much prefer full VS. I imagine that is likely to not be a reality for a long time. Having said that, I said the same about opensourcing the .NET framework, and just look how wrong I was on that front! On 12 November 2014 20:40, Daniel Espinosa eso...@gmail.com wrote: Xamarin Studio for Linux is comming soon!!! El mié, 12 de nov 2014 a las 2:38 , Martin Thwaites monofo...@my2cents.co.uk escribió: Next stop... Visual Studio on Linux :D On 12 November 2014 19:45, Edward Ned Harvey (mono) edward.harvey.m...@clevertrove.com wrote: From: mono-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com [mailto:mono-list- boun...@lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of Miguel de Icaza Hey guys, I posted details about the open sourcing of .NET and Mono on my blog. We have already started the work to integrate the .NET Framework code, and once I get back to Boston after the event we will check in the results. That is the reason we did not want to take the large #ifdef patch removal a couple of weeks ago. http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2014/Nov-12.html WAA - HOO!!! :-D Awesome, awesome. Thank you. :-D ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-list] Open source .NET and Mono.
Hi On 20141112 21:43 , Martin Thwaites wrote: I want Visual Studio, full, with all bells and whistles. As good as Xamarin Studio/MonoDevelop is, I'd much prefer full VS. Hardly imaginable. .net in the beginning was one big COM object - even had a name what com+ v.2? Similar with VS - still great parts are written in c/c++, so this is hardly to believe it will be ported to non Windows anytime soon... Microsoft needs to fix some important issues in VS on windows first like supporting more than 256 chars paths - for modern OS this is tragic, I imagine that is likely to not be a reality for a long time. Having said that, I said the same about opensourcing the .NET framework, and just look how wrong I was on that front! yup, huge change. OK we had an alternative - mono. cheers mel On 12 November 2014 20:40, Daniel Espinosa eso...@gmail.com mailto:eso...@gmail.com wrote: Xamarin Studio for Linux is comming soon!!! El mié, 12 de nov 2014 a las 2:38 , Martin Thwaites monofo...@my2cents.co.uk mailto:monofo...@my2cents.co.uk escribió: Next stop... Visual Studio on Linux :D On 12 November 2014 19:45, Edward Ned Harvey (mono) edward.harvey.m...@clevertrove.com mailto:edward.harvey.m...@clevertrove.com wrote: From: mono-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com mailto:mono-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com [mailto:mono-list- mailto:mono-list- boun...@lists.ximian.com mailto:boun...@lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of Miguel de Icaza Hey guys, I posted details about the open sourcing of .NET and Mono on my blog. We have already started the work to integrate the .NET Framework code, and once I get back to Boston after the event we will check in the results. That is the reason we did not want to take the large #ifdef patch removal a couple of weeks ago. http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2014/Nov-12.html WAA - HOO!!! :-D Awesome, awesome. Thank you. :-D ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com mailto:Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-list] Open source .NET and Mono.
On 20141112 21:40 , Daniel Espinosa wrote: Xamarin Studio for Linux is comming soon!!! Remeber MonoDevelop? MonoDevelop is not dead it is the core of XS, so it is there. If you mean on Xamarin.Android support that is another story. Xamarin.iOS will be NO-GO because of Apple's requirement to have mac for iOS, Mac development. regards Mel El mié, 12 de nov 2014 a las 2:38 , Martin Thwaites monofo...@my2cents.co.uk escribió: Next stop... Visual Studio on Linux :D On 12 November 2014 19:45, Edward Ned Harvey (mono) edward.harvey.m...@clevertrove.com mailto:edward.harvey.m...@clevertrove.com wrote: From: mono-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com mailto:mono-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com [mailto:mono-list- mailto:mono-list- boun...@lists.ximian.com mailto:boun...@lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of Miguel de Icaza Hey guys, I posted details about the open sourcing of .NET and Mono on my blog. We have already started the work to integrate the .NET Framework code, and once I get back to Boston after the event we will check in the results. That is the reason we did not want to take the large #ifdef patch removal a couple of weeks ago. http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2014/Nov-12.html WAA - HOO!!! :-D Awesome, awesome. Thank you. :-D ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com mailto:Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-list] Open source .NET and Mono.
Miljkenko, I'm not sure you understand how Xamarin studio works. It works on Windows, even for iPhone development, you just need to push to a Mac build server if you want to run it/build it. Therefore Xamarin Studio (with iOS) would probably be possible on linux in the same way it is on Windows. That said, Xamarin has publicly said that there aren't plans for it at the moment (can't remember where, probably on this list, or their forum). Martin On 12 November 2014 20:43, Miljenko Cvjetko mcvje...@holisticware.net wrote: On 20141112 21:40 , Daniel Espinosa wrote: Xamarin Studio for Linux is comming soon!!! Remeber MonoDevelop? MonoDevelop is not dead it is the core of XS, so it is there. If you mean on Xamarin.Android support that is another story. Xamarin.iOS will be NO-GO because of Apple's requirement to have mac for iOS, Mac development. regards Mel El mié, 12 de nov 2014 a las 2:38 , Martin Thwaites monofo...@my2cents.co.uk monofo...@my2cents.co.uk escribió: Next stop... Visual Studio on Linux :D On 12 November 2014 19:45, Edward Ned Harvey (mono) edward.harvey.m...@clevertrove.com wrote: From: mono-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com [mailto:mono-list- boun...@lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of Miguel de Icaza Hey guys, I posted details about the open sourcing of .NET and Mono on my blog. We have already started the work to integrate the .NET Framework code, and once I get back to Boston after the event we will check in the results. That is the reason we did not want to take the large #ifdef patch removal a couple of weeks ago. http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2014/Nov-12.html WAA - HOO!!! :-D Awesome, awesome. Thank you. :-D ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing listMono-devel-list@lists.ximian.comhttp://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-list] Open source .NET and Mono.
Hi Martin On 20141112 21:57 , Martin Thwaites wrote: Miljkenko, Mel - to make it easier. I'm not sure you understand how Xamarin studio works. I think I know, but OK. It works on Windows, True. even for iPhone development, You have mixed it with Visual Studio plugin for iOS development. Xamarin Studio on Windows lets you develop only Android. you just need to push to a Mac build server if you want to run it/build it. Therefore Xamarin Studio (with iOS) would probably be possible on linux in the same way it is on Windows. This is VS plugin and this was done to please VS centric developers (like I used to be). True it would be possible, but there are priorities... That said, Xamarin has publicly said that there aren't plans for it at the moment (can't remember where, probably on this list, or their forum). iOS on linux is far more distant goal than Android on linux. True both could be done, but when and if is another story. best regads Mel Martin On 12 November 2014 20:43, Miljenko Cvjetko mcvje...@holisticware.net mailto:mcvje...@holisticware.net wrote: On 20141112 21:40 , Daniel Espinosa wrote: Xamarin Studio for Linux is comming soon!!! Remeber MonoDevelop? MonoDevelop is not dead it is the core of XS, so it is there. If you mean on Xamarin.Android support that is another story. Xamarin.iOS will be NO-GO because of Apple's requirement to have mac for iOS, Mac development. regards Mel El mié, 12 de nov 2014 a las 2:38 , Martin Thwaites monofo...@my2cents.co.uk mailto:monofo...@my2cents.co.uk escribió: Next stop... Visual Studio on Linux :D On 12 November 2014 19:45, Edward Ned Harvey (mono) edward.harvey.m...@clevertrove.com mailto:edward.harvey.m...@clevertrove.com wrote: From: mono-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com mailto:mono-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com [mailto:mono-list- mailto:mono-list- boun...@lists.ximian.com mailto:boun...@lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of Miguel de Icaza Hey guys, I posted details about the open sourcing of .NET and Mono on my blog. We have already started the work to integrate the .NET Framework code, and once I get back to Boston after the event we will check in the results. That is the reason we did not want to take the large #ifdef patch removal a couple of weeks ago. http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2014/Nov-12.html WAA - HOO!!! :-D Awesome, awesome. Thank you. :-D ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com mailto:Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com mailto:Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com mailto:Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
