Re: [Mono-list] New web site up
I agree but today the site is composed of : - static pages (served from apache) - static pages generated from mono applications (monologue, news, all rss) - no dymamic pages yet. When we start building some dynamic pages (web forms or others), we will certainly build then using ASP.NET. Mono is installed on that machine (mod_mono and xsp). Erik On Jun 12, 2004, at 10:24 PM, Dan wrote: I completely agree, gotta eat your own food, so to speak. Also, there should be mono logos that can be placed on websites that are running mono. -Dan Maltes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph Hill Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 1:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Mono-list] New web site up I know this was said in jest, but having the Mono site running on Mono seems like a fairly important objective to me... Message: 12 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Mono-list] New web site up Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:37:16 +0200 :O no ASP.NET? You have to demonstrate your own technology! Surely you have a C# based content management system behind the site ;) Further than that, really kewl site! (And a really nice color for Contributing to Mono!, the entire streets here currently have that color, because we are going to win the European Championship soccer title :) ) I believe the most important thing for now is that users quickly can find the information they need, which was a bitch at the old site. Greetz, -- Rob. ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
RE: [Mono-list] New web site up
I really, really like the new look site. Comments: - the right menu on the front page looks very odd using opera (7.51) on Win XP (sp1). The Menu title is ok, but the contents beneath it seem to be shifted ~30px to the left. - digging a bit deeper, on all pages, the class=head specification causes this visual shift to the left - again using opera/xp, on http://www.mono-project.com/using/runningfirstmonoapp.html the numbers for the steps appear much too close to the vertical line. The same goes for the bulleted lists, like those on http://www.mono-project.com/contributing/testing.html for e.g. - on http://www.mono-project.com/downloads/index.html the rendering of the download links is completey wrong. It's difficult to expplain, but for e.g. it looks like: Source Code no Runtime 0.95 no Class Libraries and C# Compiler 0.95 diplus 0.8 elib 0.3 noDoc 0.16 web server 0.14 che Mono module 0.10 Red Hat 9.0/x86 kages Fedora Core 1/x86 kages For YUM repository ... etc ... I will email you screenshots directly if you don't mind to illustrate the visible differences when using opera/xp. Apart from a few styling issues, I think it is an excellent site, wit ha very fresh feel to it. Congratulations! Regards, Jon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Dasque Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 10:00 PM To: Mono List Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mono-list] New web site up Hi all, As some of you may know, we're moving to a new site (the old one will be phased out eventually) and to new content and design. We'd love feedback on it before we push it out officially : http://www.mono-project.com Let us know. Erik ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list This email may contain information which is privileged or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, please notify the sender immediately and delete it without reading, copying, storing, forwarding or disclosing its contents to any other person Thank you Check us out at http://www.btsyntegra.com ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] New web site up
Erik Dasque [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As some of you may know, we're moving to a new site (the old one will be phased out eventually) and to new content and design. We'd love feedback on it before we push it out officially : The site looks great. The menu is a little buggy (I get a 1px border appear on the right when i hover links, they disappear when the browser looses focus). Other than that keep up the good work! PJ P.S. What technology is it based on? ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] New web site up
Erik Dasque wrote: Hi all, As some of you may know, we're moving to a new site (the old one will be phased out eventually) and to new content and design. We'd love feedback on it before we push it out officially : As others have already said, this looks great :) Tiny nits: Most of the links on the site have visual feedback on hover (the leftnav, the news on the right, links in the main body) but the nav at the top doesn't. Also, it would be nice if in the 'Mono Project News' section you could click on a title, rather than having to hunt for the link inside the teaser text. Stuart. -- Stuart Ballard, Senior Web Developer NetReach, Inc. (215) 283-2300, ext. 126 http://www.netreach.com/ ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] New web site up
Hi Erik, As some of you may know, we're moving to a new site (the old one will be phased out eventually) and to new content and design. We'd love feedback on it before we push it out officially : http://www.mono-project.com Let us know. The new page looks cool :-) As a translator, it would be nice if the sources of the web pages are available like current go-mono.com pages. Something I noticed: In Books page ( http://www.mono-project.com/about/books.html ) Screenshots became Applications in the navigation bar. Link to monologue varies? For example, from http://www.mono-project.com/about/index.html and from http://www.mono-project.com/about/irc.html And also, some of them open new window, while some don't. Maybe Hall of Fame can be directly navigated from Contributing to Mono, instead of the path: Getting Started - Hall of Fame Atsushi Eno ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] New web site up
Hi, http://www.mono-project.com Let us know. The new page looks cool :-) As a translator, it would be nice if the sources of the web pages are available like current go-mono.com pages. Would have been nice if you'd remembered us poor Fedora Core 2 users ;-p TTFN Paul -- Your lives are in the hands of men no smarter than you or I, many of them incompetent boobs. I know this because I worked alongside them, gone bowling with them, watched them pass me over for promotions time and again. And I say ... This stinks! - Homer Simpson signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Mono-list] New web site up
On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 16:59, Erik Dasque wrote: As some of you may know, we're moving to a new site (the old one will be phased out eventually) and to new content and design. We'd love feedback on it before we push it out officially : First, I love this. It looks *GREAT*. Even if none of these comments are acted upon, it will still be great. Now, for comments: - The orange developers section looks way too bright. Todd commented on IRC that the using section green had once been bright but was changed. I think a similar change for the orange would be good. - On the home page, the XML button does not match the blue color theme. - Without JavaScript, there seems to be no way to navigate the menu system. - On the `Contact Us' button at the top, I expected to see IRC contact information, and a link for bugzilla. Also, a link to the mailing list page would be nice. - http://www.mono-project.com/about/mailing-lists.html: - mono-list is missing - Could we cut down on the size of the mono-devel-list description. It makes lots of stuff go below the fold - http://www.mono-project.com/downloads/index.html * We should have an `older releases' page that has everything before, say, beta 1. * It might make sense to group like: Source ... Red Hat Red Hat Linux 9 Fedora Core 1 SUSE ... Windows ... Mac OS ... I think that would create less visual clutter. * Does Fedora have its own logo? Should we use it rather than Red Hat's. * Does anyone need a (tm)? - The team page does not look as professional as everything else. Could we have a redesign of that to match the rest. Also, on this page the `tab' thingy at the top has a large gap below it. - In the menu system, there needs to be a sort of `you are here' indicator. For example, the current page could be in bold, and would not be a hyperlink, or it could be a different color etc. - http://www.mono-project.com/using/emacs.html is a dead link - Where did the whitepaper miguel and I wrote about performance go? - http://www.mono-project.com/using/mcs.html is out of place in the `using' section. It contains almost nothing about using mcs. IMHO, the first few paragraphs of text should stay, and we should insert links to reference articles. - In the menu system, you are inconsistantly using Title Caps and Sentence caps. For example: * Mono and Gtk# tutorials * The Mono Runtime * CVS Write access (this one has BOTH methods!) Just pick one and stay with it. - http://www.mono-project.com/contributing/compiling.html does not have `make bootstrap' documented - http://www.mono-project.com/about/applications.html should be updated. For example, MonoDevelop is not on there. Also, obsolete programs (eg, the debugger, which is now inside MD) should be removed. It would be nice if the screenshots were all taken using Ximian's industrial theme. - I saw some instances of GTK#. It is Gtk#. Ok, I think that's all for now! -- Ben ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] New web site up
Ben, You're the man. I'm going to integrate your changes tomorrow! Kevin ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
RE: [Mono-list] New web site up
| As some of you may know, we're moving to a new site (the old one will | be phased out eventually) and to new content and design. We'd love | feedback on it before we push it out officially : | I love it! Great work! I have one small comment about the navigation menus on the left. The behavior of the menus on the About Mono page is different from those on Using Mono and Contributing to Mono. It seems if the menu item opens a sub-menu, it doesn't have any page content on the right to go with it. However, those that don't open a sub-menu give a new page. These two different behaviors should look different in some way IMHO. I'd suggest putting a + in front of the menu item, or some this menu expands indicator in front of those that expand. Also, possibly it would make it more consistent to have some content there for that main menu item even if it does expand into sub-items. Perhaps if Ben's suggestion of a visual clue for the currently selected menu item is incorporated, part of this issue will be solved. Note that when you first click on Using Mono you are put on the Installing Mono page which is a sub menu of Quick Start, and then clicking on Quick Start just collapses the menu, but Installing Mono is still the content shown on the right. This is a bit confusing, again IMHO. Looks great though! Good work guys! Nick D. ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] New web site up
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As some of you may know, we're moving to a new site (the old one will be phased out eventually) and to new content and design. We'd love feedback on it before we push it out officially : http://www.mono-project.com Let us know. Hi, I quickly looked over it and noticed just one nitpick: In the answer to question 129, you link to the page on the OSI site titled GNU Lesser General Public License, but the license is referred to as GNU Library GPL... note that the GNU Lesser General Public License, version 2.1 is a successor to the GNU Library Public License, version 2, not to anything called GNU Library GPL. Greetings, Norbert. - -- Founder Steering Committee member of DotGNU, see http://dotgnu.org/ Free Software Business Strategy Guide --- http://FreeStrategy.info Norbert Bollow, Weidlistr.18, CH-8624 Gruet (near Zurich, Switzerland) Tel +41 1 972 20 59Fax +41 1 972 20 69 http://norbert.ch -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAyOxNoYIVvXUl7DIRAjg8AJ92JxvCpajo56qV4+LKYOu0xYcbmgCfcagS En7fPZsqUbDRepSE1enjnBY= =C00h -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] New web site up
On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 16:59, Erik Dasque wrote: As some of you may know, we're moving to a new site (the old one will be phased out eventually) and to new content and design. We'd love feedback on it before we push it out officially : I must join the others in congratulating you. The new site looks wonderful. I have just one request: please *don't* use explicit pixel widths for page elements, use percentages instead. It causes things to look bad when the browser window is a non-standard size; see: http://www.jprl.com/~jon/mono-project.png In particular, notice that the menu on the left is truncated. (And why do I have 690 x 814 pixel windows? So I can layout them out four to a workspace, viewing two full windows side-by-side. I can view more pages this way.) Thanks, - Jon ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] New web site up
On Jun 10, 2004, at 4:25 PM, Ben Maurer wrote: On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 16:59, Erik Dasque wrote: As some of you may know, we're moving to a new site (the old one will be phased out eventually) and to new content and design. We'd love feedback on it before we push it out officially : First, I love this. It looks *GREAT*. Even if none of these comments are acted upon, it will still be great. I agree! Now, for comments: I agree! ;-) I'll add a few additional comments, take them with as many grains of salt as you like. The navigation is not confusing, but is a bit overwelming. There are the main sections at the top, the navigation bar on the left, and also buttons at the the top right. None of these are 'authorative' - the download button for example goes to the 'about mono' tab look, but is not navigatable via the about bar on the left. Also, the submenus on some items are hidden, which makes it confusing to find the 'licensing and patents' section for instance, without knowing it appears under the 'faq' section. The look of submenu items was not sufficient for me to realize (at first) that I was actually looking at a menu with embedded items. Also, clicking on the 'faq' link (without page content changing to show I was on a new link) was confusing to me, although I have used the internet for long enough to quickly figure it out. Some links in the navigation system and buttons at the top send you to an external site; there is no visual indicator that this will happen. The 'about' navigation bar could be flattened if: The FAQ was moved to 'using mono', with the general section refactored into some sort of 'relationships' page (with novell, gnome, ecma, and microsoft) Resources were moved to 'using mono', leaving 'The Mono Team' and 'Contact Us'. Actually, 'resources' is not the best categorization, since the whole site is a meta-resource for four types of people. Ok, I'll stop now, before I suggest changing it to four main categories (targeting each of 'person discovering more about mono', 'user of mono for end-user applications', 'developer using mono', and 'mono contributors') -David Waite - The orange developers section looks way too bright. Todd commented on IRC that the using section green had once been bright but was changed. I think a similar change for the orange would be good. - On the home page, the XML button does not match the blue color theme. - Without JavaScript, there seems to be no way to navigate the menu system. - On the `Contact Us' button at the top, I expected to see IRC contact information, and a link for bugzilla. Also, a link to the mailing list page would be nice. - http://www.mono-project.com/about/mailing-lists.html: - mono-list is missing - Could we cut down on the size of the mono-devel-list description. It makes lots of stuff go below the fold - http://www.mono-project.com/downloads/index.html * We should have an `older releases' page that has everything before, say, beta 1. * It might make sense to group like: Source ... Red Hat Red Hat Linux 9 Fedora Core 1 SUSE ... Windows ... Mac OS ... I think that would create less visual clutter. * Does Fedora have its own logo? Should we use it rather than Red Hat's. * Does anyone need a (tm)? - The team page does not look as professional as everything else. Could we have a redesign of that to match the rest. Also, on this page the `tab' thingy at the top has a large gap below it. - In the menu system, there needs to be a sort of `you are here' indicator. For example, the current page could be in bold, and would not be a hyperlink, or it could be a different color etc. - http://www.mono-project.com/using/emacs.html is a dead link - Where did the whitepaper miguel and I wrote about performance go? - http://www.mono-project.com/using/mcs.html is out of place in the `using' section. It contains almost nothing about using mcs. IMHO, the first few paragraphs of text should stay, and we should insert links to reference articles. - In the menu system, you are inconsistantly using Title Caps and Sentence caps. For example: * Mono and Gtk# tutorials * The Mono Runtime * CVS Write access (this one has BOTH methods!) Just pick one and stay with it. - http://www.mono-project.com/contributing/compiling.html does not have `make bootstrap' documented - http://www.mono-project.com/about/applications.html should be updated. For example, MonoDevelop is not on there. Also, obsolete programs (eg, the debugger, which is now inside MD) should be removed. It would be nice if the screenshots were all taken using Ximian's industrial theme. - I saw some instances of GTK#. It is Gtk#. Ok, I think that's all for now! -- Ben
RE: [Mono-list] New web site up
Also, The mono documentation has the text 'Monodoc Home' in the title bar hanging underneath (not visible) the index frame. You might want to make the title bar frame a little taller. I'm using firefox 0.8 on win2k. JBA http://www.go-mono.com:8080/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Pryor Sent: Friday, 11 June 2004 9:40 AM To: Erik Dasque Cc: Mono List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Mono-list] New web site up On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 16:59, Erik Dasque wrote: As some of you may know, we're moving to a new site (the old one will be phased out eventually) and to new content and design. We'd love feedback on it before we push it out officially : I must join the others in congratulating you. The new site looks wonderful. I have just one request: please *don't* use explicit pixel widths for page elements, use percentages instead. It causes things to look bad when the browser window is a non-standard size; see: http://www.jprl.com/~jon/mono-project.png In particular, notice that the menu on the left is truncated. (And why do I have 690 x 814 pixel windows? So I can layout them out four to a workspace, viewing two full windows side-by-side. I can view more pages this way.) Thanks, - Jon ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] New web site up
On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 18:25, Ben Maurer wrote:
Ok, I think that's all for now!
Ok, here are some nitpicking comments:
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mono-project.com%2Fabout%2Findex.html
#bodyContent {
font: 11px san-serif, arial;
w3's validator suggests `You are encouraged to offer a generic family as a last
alternative'
net Magazine
May 31st, 2003
CLI integration.
-- This is a 404
http://www.mono-project.com/contributing/asp-net.html
Link is a 404
(you need a link checker ;-)
http://www.go-mono.com/images/beta2.gif
http://www.mono-project.com/img/xml.gif
Missing `alt' tag on these images.
You are missing `height' and `width' tags on alot of images. This would
help the layout on the first load.
`search' button should not use javascript, cant use it from lynx etc.
The Mono logo at the top is not centered in the image. There are 18 px
of padding on the top but 20 px on the bottom.
http://www.mono-project.com/about/rationale.html has the same title as
the home page, but different content. This is confusing. Also, there is
no way to get to that page except for the text link in the main body. It
should be in the nav bar.
I think the search area should look like this:
+---+ ++
| Enter search term | | Go |
+---+ ++
You should use some JS magic to have it so that when you click inside
the text box, the text goes away. There are a few advantages to this
layout:
* You save space (no header, button is on same line)
* The search can be more subtle and elegant.
An example of how this has been done successfully is
http://sparknotes.com/.
On the Contact/Downloads/etc bar at the top there is room for another
link. IMHO we should use it. Personally, I would vote for either
`Blogs', `Bugs' or `Mailing lists'.
The buttons at the top (tabs, contact links) should have rollovers.
You should apply Fitts' law to the news stories on the home page: make
the clickable area as large as possible. Right now you can only click
the date of the article (I tried to click the title at first). Really,
you should just be able to click anywhere in the `box' around the
article (sorta like the menu items)
The `Mono Status' sidebar does not seem right. The different colors
because of linking makes it very weird.
When I open a page such as
http://www.mono-project.com/contributing/index.html the menu `flashes'
open. It should not flash on first load.
When you click About Mono / Using Mono / Contributing to Mono, the title
of the page that is opened should be the same as the link you pressed
(it is not for the first two)
The use of of as a bullet is very weird. On my box, the gt sign is
too long for this purpose. Really you should use one of the CSS list
types, or your own custom image.
Thats all for now!
-- Ben
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