Re: [Mono-winforms-list] Using Windows Forms over Linux
Dimitris Karantonis wrote: Hi to all, I am new to .net development over Linux platforms (I have always used MS Visual Studio platform) and I would like to ask what is the best way of implementing a Window Forms application in order to be able to deploy it on both Windows and Linux OS. 1) Should i use MS visual Studio 2008 on my Windows Machine to develop the application and then use some tool in order to migrate the application to the Mono format? You don't need to migrate to Mono format because you can use the assemblies produced by VS under Linux. So (1) is definitely an option. 2) Should i use a Mono plug-in for the MS Visual Studio platform and develop the application? Do you mean this tool: http://go-mono.com/monovs/? It's the most convenient way. Robert ___ Mono-winforms-list maillist - Mono-winforms-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-winforms-list
Re: [Mono-winforms-list] Using Windows Forms over Linux
2009/11/18 Dimitris Karantonis dkaranto...@soft4real.com: Hi, This is an interesting solution, but does it actually works? And what about maintenance through the application's lifecycle? Meaning, how do you handle situations when you want to add a new event? It work, i don't really practice it for professional, most for hobbies. I often hack by the hand the .Designer.cs file, rather restart a VM. Does Mono opens Visual Studio solutions and furthermore, does it compile Window Forms properties like anchoring, docking, etc... Compile is most good What about installing Win Forms Designer kit on your MonoProject IDE? Have you ever thought of this? I would like a winforms designer in MonoDevelop, Ivanz started working on it but http://www.mono-project.com/WinForms_Designer http://www.mono-project.com/WinForms http://www.mono-project.com/Guide:_Porting_Winforms_Applications http://www.mono-project.com/Category:WinForms Regards, Dimitris -Original Message- From: Petit Eric [mailto:surfz...@gmail.com] Sent: Τετάρτη, 18 Νοεμβρίου 2009 12:28 To: Dimitris Karantonis Cc: Mono-winforms-list@lists.ximian.com Subject: Re: [Mono-winforms-list] Using Windows Forms over Linux To write MonoOSC, i used VS C# express to design my winforms and generate needed event (through an VBox machine) and then i wrote all code/class with MonoDevelop under Linux :-) 2009/11/18 Dimitris Karantonis dkaranto...@soft4real.com: Hi to all, I am new to .net development over Linux platforms (I have always used MS Visual Studio platform) and I would like to ask what is the best way of implementing a Window Forms application in order to be able to deploy it on both Windows and Linux OS. 1) Should i use MS visual Studio 2008 on my Windows Machine to develop the application and then use some tool in order to migrate the application to the Mono format? 2) Should i use a Mono plug-in for the MS Visual Studio platform and develop the application? 3) Should I use MonoDevelop on my Linux machine and install the Win Forms Designer toolkit? Could you give me some advices concerning what is the best way to follow and some instructions of how to implement it (meaning, instructions of how to install and use the Visual Studio - Mono migration tool, the Mono plug-in for VS Studio and the Win Forms Designer toolkit on MonoDevelop. Best regards, Dimitris ___ Mono-winforms-list maillist - mono-winforms-l...@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-winforms-list -- Cordially. Small Eric Quotations of the days: --- I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious -- Cordially. Small Eric Quotations of the days: --- I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious ___ Mono-winforms-list maillist - Mono-winforms-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-winforms-list
Re: [Mono-winforms-list] Using Windows Forms over Linux
Frankly, the best way to create a cross-platform GUI is to use GTK# from the beginning. With WinForms, you'll encounter several issues that will make things rather difficult down the road: flaky databinding, slow rendering (especially for grid views), inconsistent rendering between versions, inconsistent ordering of events (quite, eh, fun to debug), lack of theming. By far the best solution is to abstract the GUI away from the main application and use different technologies for different platforms (e.g. WPF on Windows, GTK# on Linux and Mac OS X). However, this takes a lot of resources and planning to implement correctly. The second best option is to use GTK# all the way. You'll trade some of the native look and feel for easier development (see e.g. MonoDevelop on Windows). The third option is to use WinForms everywhere, keeping in mind the caveats I mentioned. WinForms is not meant for cross-platform development - it has no native look and feel (unless you create custom widgets for everything, which is certainly an option) and it is painful even on Windows (try using native Vista fonts, for example or creating a DPI-independent GUI - that's right, you can't really do that). Finally, it's a pretty much dead technology that hasn't been updated in the last 5 years. (Yes, there are still good reasons for using it, as long as you keep the drawbacks in mind). Finally, it might be worth checking out Silverlight/Moonlight. These have a pretty nice development environment and can be used both online and offline (with a little work). My 2cc :) 2009/11/18 Petit Eric surfz...@gmail.com 2009/11/18 Dimitris Karantonis dkaranto...@soft4real.com: Hi, This is an interesting solution, but does it actually works? And what about maintenance through the application's lifecycle? Meaning, how do you handle situations when you want to add a new event? It work, i don't really practice it for professional, most for hobbies. I often hack by the hand the .Designer.cs file, rather restart a VM. Does Mono opens Visual Studio solutions and furthermore, does it compile Window Forms properties like anchoring, docking, etc... Compile is most good What about installing Win Forms Designer kit on your MonoProject IDE? Have you ever thought of this? I would like a winforms designer in MonoDevelop, Ivanz started working on it but http://www.mono-project.com/WinForms_Designer http://www.mono-project.com/WinForms http://www.mono-project.com/Guide:_Porting_Winforms_Applications http://www.mono-project.com/Category:WinForms Regards, Dimitris -Original Message- From: Petit Eric [mailto:surfz...@gmail.com] Sent: Τετάρτη, 18 Νοεμβρίου 2009 12:28 To: Dimitris Karantonis Cc: Mono-winforms-list@lists.ximian.com Subject: Re: [Mono-winforms-list] Using Windows Forms over Linux To write MonoOSC, i used VS C# express to design my winforms and generate needed event (through an VBox machine) and then i wrote all code/class with MonoDevelop under Linux :-) 2009/11/18 Dimitris Karantonis dkaranto...@soft4real.com: Hi to all, I am new to .net development over Linux platforms (I have always used MS Visual Studio platform) and I would like to ask what is the best way of implementing a Window Forms application in order to be able to deploy it on both Windows and Linux OS. 1) Should i use MS visual Studio 2008 on my Windows Machine to develop the application and then use some tool in order to migrate the application to the Mono format? 2) Should i use a Mono plug-in for the MS Visual Studio platform and develop the application? 3) Should I use MonoDevelop on my Linux machine and install the Win Forms Designer toolkit? Could you give me some advices concerning what is the best way to follow and some instructions of how to implement it (meaning, instructions of how to install and use the Visual Studio - Mono migration tool, the Mono plug-in for VS Studio and the Win Forms Designer toolkit on MonoDevelop. Best regards, Dimitris ___ Mono-winforms-list maillist - Mono-winforms-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-winforms-list -- Cordially. Small Eric Quotations of the days: --- I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious -- Cordially. Small Eric Quotations of the days: --- I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious ___ Mono-winforms-list maillist - Mono-winforms-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-winforms-list ___ Mono-winforms-list maillist - Mono-winforms-list
Re: [Mono-winforms-list] Using Windows Forms over Linux
Hey, There are some limitations on our implementation of Windows.Forms, just as any other re-implementation can have. We provide it however, to let developers to bring their applications from .net to linux with Mono. Now: if you are going to create a new app, then you can go with Gtk#, and that's a different story, with its own advantages/disadvantages. Carlos. 2009/11/18 StApostol stapos...@gmail.com Frankly, the best way to create a cross-platform GUI is to use GTK# from the beginning. With WinForms, you'll encounter several issues that will make things rather difficult down the road: flaky databinding, slow rendering (especially for grid views), inconsistent rendering between versions, inconsistent ordering of events (quite, eh, fun to debug), lack of theming. By far the best solution is to abstract the GUI away from the main application and use different technologies for different platforms (e.g. WPF on Windows, GTK# on Linux and Mac OS X). However, this takes a lot of resources and planning to implement correctly. The second best option is to use GTK# all the way. You'll trade some of the native look and feel for easier development (see e.g. MonoDevelop on Windows). The third option is to use WinForms everywhere, keeping in mind the caveats I mentioned. WinForms is not meant for cross-platform development - it has no native look and feel (unless you create custom widgets for everything, which is certainly an option) and it is painful even on Windows (try using native Vista fonts, for example or creating a DPI-independent GUI - that's right, you can't really do that). Finally, it's a pretty much dead technology that hasn't been updated in the last 5 years. (Yes, there are still good reasons for using it, as long as you keep the drawbacks in mind). Finally, it might be worth checking out Silverlight/Moonlight. These have a pretty nice development environment and can be used both online and offline (with a little work). My 2cc :) 2009/11/18 Petit Eric surfz...@gmail.com 2009/11/18 Dimitris Karantonis dkaranto...@soft4real.com: Hi, This is an interesting solution, but does it actually works? And what about maintenance through the application's lifecycle? Meaning, how do you handle situations when you want to add a new event? It work, i don't really practice it for professional, most for hobbies. I often hack by the hand the .Designer.cs file, rather restart a VM. Does Mono opens Visual Studio solutions and furthermore, does it compile Window Forms properties like anchoring, docking, etc... Compile is most good What about installing Win Forms Designer kit on your MonoProject IDE? Have you ever thought of this? I would like a winforms designer in MonoDevelop, Ivanz started working on it but http://www.mono-project.com/WinForms_Designer http://www.mono-project.com/WinForms http://www.mono-project.com/Guide:_Porting_Winforms_Applications http://www.mono-project.com/Category:WinForms Regards, Dimitris -Original Message- From: Petit Eric [mailto:surfz...@gmail.com] Sent: Τετάρτη, 18 Νοεμβρίου 2009 12:28 To: Dimitris Karantonis Cc: Mono-winforms-list@lists.ximian.com Subject: Re: [Mono-winforms-list] Using Windows Forms over Linux To write MonoOSC, i used VS C# express to design my winforms and generate needed event (through an VBox machine) and then i wrote all code/class with MonoDevelop under Linux :-) 2009/11/18 Dimitris Karantonis dkaranto...@soft4real.com: Hi to all, I am new to .net development over Linux platforms (I have always used MS Visual Studio platform) and I would like to ask what is the best way of implementing a Window Forms application in order to be able to deploy it on both Windows and Linux OS. 1) Should i use MS visual Studio 2008 on my Windows Machine to develop the application and then use some tool in order to migrate the application to the Mono format? 2) Should i use a Mono plug-in for the MS Visual Studio platform and develop the application? 3) Should I use MonoDevelop on my Linux machine and install the Win Forms Designer toolkit? Could you give me some advices concerning what is the best way to follow and some instructions of how to implement it (meaning, instructions of how to install and use the Visual Studio - Mono migration tool, the Mono plug-in for VS Studio and the Win Forms Designer toolkit on MonoDevelop. Best regards, Dimitris ___ Mono-winforms-list maillist - Mono-winforms-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-winforms-list -- Cordially. Small Eric Quotations of the days: --- I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious -- Cordially. Small Eric Quotations
