Re: [Monotone-devel] minimum requirements
Markus Wanner mar...@bluegap.ch writes: As per the build farm, these platforms now compile nvm.mandatory-cxx11 just fine: CentOS 6.5 (using g++ 4.8.2 from devtools-2 package) Cygwin Debian sid Gentoo Hardened MinGW / Msys 1.0 NetBSD 6.1 (using gcc48) OmniOS r151008 (pretending to be SunOS 5.11) Ubuntu precise Manual testing additionally yields good results on: Debian stable FreeBSD 10 Mac OS X 10.8 (Mountain Lion) and MinGW / Msys 2.0 32 and 64 bit. Given the above successes, the lack of offers to help with other platforms and baring further objections, I plan to land nvm.mandatory-cxx11 within the next few days. +1 -- -- Stephe ___ Monotone-devel mailing list Monotone-devel@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/monotone-devel
Re: [Monotone-devel] minimum requirements
Hi, On 05/16/2014 07:12 PM, Markus Wanner wrote: On my wishlist (for minimum requirements): * Mac OS X 10.8 (Mountain Lion) / XCode 5 I successfully compiled and run tests of nvm.mandatory-cxx11 on Mountain Lion, now. As it turned out, the major stumbling block was that Apple (and therefore MacPorts) defaults to use libstdc++ on that OS version, in a version that doesn't offer proper C++11 support. Switching to libc++ (-stdlib=libc++) enables C++11 features. However, as those two are incompatible, this also means you to link against botan and idna libraries using that standard library. Therefore, I had to recompile them against libc++, rather than using the packages provided by MacPorts. Given that OS version reached EOL, already, I don't think that's a hindrance for switching to C++11. * FreeBSD 10 * NetBSD 6.1 * Gentoo Hardened * Solaris 10 As per the build farm, these platforms now compile nvm.mandatory-cxx11 just fine: CentOS 6.5 (using g++ 4.8.2 from devtools-2 package) Cygwin Debian sid Gentoo Hardened MinGW / Msys 1.0 NetBSD 6.1 (using gcc48) OmniOS r151008 (pretending to be SunOS 5.11) Ubuntu precise Manual testing additionally yields good results on: Debian stable FreeBSD 10 Mac OS X 10.8 (Mountain Lion) I just updated NEWS and INSTALL on nvm.mandatory-cxx11 to document the new requirements. And I added installation instructions, please review. Some comments regarding the few test failures: - cow, an Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (precise) box shows a failure on log_dir. That's the same test that fails on GNU Debian/hurd for the 1.0 release. Therefore, I don't think that's related to C++11. - on boar, a Windows Server using MinGW / Msys 1.0 system, all extra tests fail. AFAICT these didn't ever work. (Looks rather like a lua issue.) - armadillo, the CentOS 6.5 box once failed on add,remove,cleanup_registered_workspaces, then passed. Looks like an intermittent issue, so it's hardly related to C++11, either. - wallaby runs Debian/sid using a bleeding-edge llvm/clang toolchain, which seems currently broken. My guess is that the standard library headers provided by the new gcc version (4.9.0) caused that breakage. In any case, I'm not too concerned about failures on that build animal in general. I'm currently providing quite a few build animals to hit my targets and to make my wishes come true. If you want to keep a platform supported, please consider contributing a buildbot or at least run occasional tests on that platform. Given the above successes, the lack of offers to help with other platforms and baring further objections, I plan to land nvm.mandatory-cxx11 within the next few days. Regards Markus Wanner signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Monotone-devel mailing list Monotone-devel@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/monotone-devel
Re: [Monotone-devel] minimum requirements
On 05/16/2014 07:12 PM, Markus Wanner wrote: Stephen wants these (and supports them by occasional manual testing): * RHEL 6 Minor update on the RHEL front: build animal armadillo (effectively running CentOS 6.5) now uses a g++ 4.8.2 from the devtools-2 package. With that, it now fails to compile nvm, because with the new compiler, C++11 gets enabled. But the old boost headers on that platform do not seem to cope well with C++11. So using C++11 with old-ish boost (armadillo uses boost 1.41) doesn't work. Note that the branch nvm.mandatory-cxx11 works just fine (as it doesn't use much of boost, anymore). So does disabling C++11 on nvm. To me, that's yet another argument to mandate C++11: Otherwise, we couldn't just turn it on if the compiler is capable enough, but would have to check if boost is recent enough, as well. Or keep it turned off entirely and stick with C++98. Regards Markus Wanner signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Monotone-devel mailing list Monotone-devel@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/monotone-devel
Re: [Monotone-devel] minimum requirements
Markus Wanner mar...@bluegap.ch writes: On 05/16/2014 07:12 PM, Markus Wanner wrote: Stephen wants these (and supports them by occasional manual testing): * RHEL 6 Minor update on the RHEL front: build animal armadillo (effectively running CentOS 6.5) now uses a g++ 4.8.2 from the devtools-2 package. With that, it now fails to compile nvm, because with the new compiler, C++11 gets enabled. But the old boost headers on that platform do not seem to cope well with C++11. So using C++11 with old-ish boost (armadillo uses boost 1.41) doesn't work. I install boost headers from source, not from the RPM package. I forgot that part. Note that the branch nvm.mandatory-cxx11 works just fine (as it doesn't use much of boost, anymore). So does disabling C++11 on nvm. Ok. To me, that's yet another argument to mandate C++11: yes. -- -- Stephe ___ Monotone-devel mailing list Monotone-devel@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/monotone-devel
Re: [Monotone-devel] minimum requirements
Markus Wanner mar...@bluegap.ch writes: Stephen wants these (and supports them by occasional manual testing): * RHEL 6 * Windows / Msys 2 * Cygwin Someone else (Lapo? ) has been providing Cygwin packages, but 1.1 hasn't happened yet. -- -- Stephe ___ Monotone-devel mailing list Monotone-devel@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/monotone-devel
[Monotone-devel] minimum requirements
Hi, after quite some messages about C++11, I feel like I still don't have a better idea of what the set of supported platforms should be. Quite independent of C++11 (especially as builds on and runs on are slightly different capabilities). Please consider that each platform in the set needs somewhat regular care and love - some more, some less, but keeping monotone running properly on any one is an effort. Announcing a platform is no longer supported is almost free. The question is not: What platforms can we evict from that set?, but rather: What platforms can we reasonably keep up with?. (And related: Which ones are you willing to help with?) Stephen wants these (and supports them by occasional manual testing): * RHEL 6 * Windows / Msys 2 * Cygwin Thomas Keller provides: * MacPorts packaging Jeff Rizzo provides: * pkgsrc packaging for NetBSD Lapo provides: * FreeBSD packaging Thomas Moschny (promised to) provide: * Fedora packaging My personal minimum requirements (and packaging contributions): * Debian wheezy (stable) * Ubuntu LTS (precise) On my wishlist (for minimum requirements): * Mac OS X 10.8 (Mountain Lion) / XCode 5 * FreeBSD 10 * NetBSD 6.1 * Gentoo Hardened * Solaris 10 On Hendrik's wishlist: * Debian squeeze (oldstable) * Windows XP I would like to explicitly exclude these: * Debian oldstable (squeeze) * all Ubuntu before precise (i.e. older than the last LTS) I'm currently providing quite a few build animals to hit my targets and to make my wishes come true. If you want to keep a platform supported, please consider contributing a buildbot or at least run occasional tests on that platform. Regards Markus Wanner P.S: in the above list, I counted all those that have packaged release 1.1 or promised to do so, by now. Feel free to correct me if you're somehow supporting that recent release, but are not listed above. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Monotone-devel mailing list Monotone-devel@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/monotone-devel
Re: [Monotone-devel] minimum requirements
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 07:12:20PM +0200, Markus Wanner wrote: On Hendrik's wishlist: * Debian squeeze (oldstable) * Windows XP I just wanted to mention that I myself am using neither of these platforms, though I have Windows XP available if I should need it. It's more that squeeze looks like it's going to be a LTS release for a while, and there's *lots* of people sticking with Windows XP. How many of them use monotone is another question entirely. I *do* use Debian wheezy and jessie for development, normally using Debian's packaged monotone. I would like to explicitly exclude these: * Debian oldstable (squeeze) * all Ubuntu before precise (i.e. older than the last LTS) It's only the LTS argument that made me recommend squeeze. -- hendrik ___ Monotone-devel mailing list Monotone-devel@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/monotone-devel
Re: [Monotone-devel] minimum requirements
Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com writes: It's more that squeeze looks like it's going to be a LTS release for a while, for a while being defined as until February 2016 and not supported by Debian itself, see https://www.debian.org/News/2014/20140424.html. If you yourself don't use Squeeze anymore and if nobody has explicitly requested support, there is no point in expending effort on it. -- Ludovic. ___ Monotone-devel mailing list Monotone-devel@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/monotone-devel
Re: [Monotone-devel] minimum requirements
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 10:14:03PM +0200, Ludovic Brenta wrote: Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com writes: It's more that squeeze looks like it's going to be a LTS release for a while, for a while being defined as until February 2016 and not supported by Debian itself, see https://www.debian.org/News/2014/20140424.html. If you yourself don't use Squeeze anymore and if nobody has explicitly requested support, there is no point in expending effort on it. Sounds reasonable. -- hendrik ___ Monotone-devel mailing list Monotone-devel@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/monotone-devel
