Re: [Monotone-devel] monotone-usher or usher-server and usher
In message jddm8j$38d$1...@dough.gmane.org on Wed, 28 Dec 2011 00:01:23 + (UTC), Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com said: hendrik On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 11:40:16 +0100, Richard Levitte wrote: hendrik hendrik hendrik Yup, that's not the correct server. The debian stuff is in hendrik mtn://code.monotone.ca/debian-mtn hendrik hendrik However, considering what I wrote above, that isn't enough either. A hendrik quick way to do this is: hendrik hendrik mtn clone hendrik mtn://code.monotone.ca/contrib?net.venge.monotone.contrib.usher usher hendrik cd usher hendrik mtn clone mtn://code.monotone.ca/debian-mtn?org.debian.usher debian hendrik hendrik The correct way is a little bit more complex. Since Debian packages are hendrik built from source distributions, the correct way is to build a source hendrik distribution, unpack that, clone the debian directory inside the hendrik resulting directory, then build your debian package from there (using hendrik debuild or pbuilder or whatever you fancy) hendrik hendrik So this means I make nested checkouts, without using merge-into-dir hendrik which was supposed to replace nested checkouts. Yes. The usher source branch and the debian packaging branch are to be entirely separate. merge-into-dir doesn't support that, and isn't supposed to replace nested checkouts entirely, but merely the form that's represented with CVS nested modules (supported by on the repo). The correct way to do the above is really as follows: - get the usher source tarball. One way is create it yourself: mtn clone mtn://code.monotone.ca/contrib?net.venge.monotone.contrib.usher usher cd usher ./configure make dist of course, a debian packager would normally get the source from an official upstream release... wget http://mtn-host.prjek.net/projects/webhost/files/usher-0.99.tar.gz - unpack the tarball somewhere mkdir /var/tmp/debian-usher cd /var/tmp/debian-usher tar -xvzf /PATH/TO/usher-0.99.tar.gz - get the packaging directory cd usher-0.99 mtn clone mtn://code.monotone.ca/debian-mtn?org.debian.usher debian - build debuild # or whatever So you see, the thing is that a debian packager is expected to get the original source release from the official place, not from whatever repository where history is stored and development happens. That's the reason the usher source branch and the usher packaging branch should stay separate. hendrik Are these projects sufficiently disjoint that I should keep hendrik them in separate databases following the each-project-has-its-own-database hendrik best-practice? That's really a personal choice, but considering that you might make the mistake of slaming those branches together, then I'd say yes, keep them in separate branches (I do that) hendrik Might it make netsync awkward if I don't keep them separate? It will mostly mean that people will get confused by a suddenly appearing debian directory in the usher source if you make a mistake somewhere (which is possible). hendrik Does the local database keep track of which other database hendrik separate for each branch, or is it just one for all? The databases themselves only care about themselves and the branches stored in them. monotone can keep track of the databases for you if you have them and the different workspaces registered (see NEWS). -- Richard Levitte rich...@levitte.org http://richard.levitte.org/ Life is a tremendous celebration - and I'm invited! -- from a friend's blog, translated from Swedish ___ Monotone-devel mailing list Monotone-devel@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/monotone-devel
Re: [Monotone-devel] monotone-usher or usher-server and usher
In message jdbb5r$ejl$2...@dough.gmane.org on Tue, 27 Dec 2011 02:39:56 + (UTC), Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com said: hendrik On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 01:26:42 +, Hendrik Boom wrote: hendrik hendrik On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 10:21:19 +0100, Richard Levitte wrote: hendrik hendrik In message 87r500w9om@ludovic-brenta.org on Mon, 19 Dec 2011 hendrik 22:09:13 +0100, Ludovic Brenta ludo...@ludovic-brenta.org said: hendrik hendrik ludovic ... but TTBOMK nobody has packaged usher yet. Sorry about hendrik ludovic that. hendrik hendrik There's no final package distributed to Debian, but there's an effort hendrik in branches org.debian.usher and org.debian.usher.experimental. hendrik hendrik So far I've been advised to look at hendrikorg.debian.usher hendrikorg.debian.experimental Correction: org.debian.usher.experimental hendrik and hendriknet.venge.monotone.contrib.usher Yup. Let me explain a bit how this is organized, and why you need two of those branches... (it's the same as for monotone itself) First of all, we have the main usher source, without the debian packaging stuff. It resides in net.venge.monotone.contrib.usher, and that's all that should be there. Then, we have the debian packaging stuff, which ends up in the debian/ subdirectory of the software you want to package. That directory is in its own separate branch, org.debian.usher and an experimental sibbling, org.debian.usher.experimental. At this point, you should read the policy for debian packaging: https://code.monotone.ca/p/debian-mtn/page/Policy/ (and hey Ludovic! I believe it needs being updated! ;-)) hendrik I'm evidently still doing somethihg wrong -- again -- because after I hendrik executing hendrik hendrik mtn pull mtn://code.monotone.ca/monotone?org.debian.usher Yup, that's not the correct server. The debian stuff is in mtn://code.monotone.ca/debian-mtn However, considering what I wrote above, that isn't enough either. A quick way to do this is: mtn clone mtn://code.monotone.ca/contrib?net.venge.monotone.contrib.usher usher cd usher mtn clone mtn://code.monotone.ca/debian-mtn?org.debian.usher debian The correct way is a little bit more complex. Since Debian packages are built from source distributions, the correct way is to build a source distribution, unpack that, clone the debian directory inside the resulting directory, then build your debian package from there (using debuild or pbuilder or whatever you fancy) hendrik On the other hand, I have no trouble getting hendrik net.venge.monotone.contrib.usher hendrik which seems to contain an usher without the init.d stuff to start it at hendrik boot and keep it up. Yup, that works. Cheers, Richard -- Richard Levitte rich...@levitte.org http://richard.levitte.org/ Life is a tremendous celebration - and I'm invited! -- from a friend's blog, translated from Swedish ___ Monotone-devel mailing list Monotone-devel@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/monotone-devel
Re: [Monotone-devel] monotone-usher or usher-server and usher
On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 11:40:16 +0100, Richard Levitte wrote: Yup, that's not the correct server. The debian stuff is in mtn://code.monotone.ca/debian-mtn However, considering what I wrote above, that isn't enough either. A quick way to do this is: mtn clone mtn://code.monotone.ca/contrib?net.venge.monotone.contrib.usher usher cd usher mtn clone mtn://code.monotone.ca/debian-mtn?org.debian.usher debian The correct way is a little bit more complex. Since Debian packages are built from source distributions, the correct way is to build a source distribution, unpack that, clone the debian directory inside the resulting directory, then build your debian package from there (using debuild or pbuilder or whatever you fancy) So this means I make nested checkouts, without using merge-into-dir which was supposed to replace nested checkouts. Is there any documentation on how nested workspaces are supposed to work? Are these projects sufficiently disjoint that I should keep them in separate databases following the each-project-has-its-own-database best-practice? Might it make netsync awkward if I don't keep them separate? Does the local database keep track of which other database separate for each branch, or is it just one for all? -- hendrik ___ Monotone-devel mailing list Monotone-devel@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/monotone-devel
Re: [Monotone-devel] monotone-usher or usher-server and usher
On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 10:21:19 +0100, Richard Levitte wrote: In message 87r500w9om@ludovic-brenta.org on Mon, 19 Dec 2011 22:09:13 +0100, Ludovic Brenta ludo...@ludovic-brenta.org said: ludovic ... but TTBOMK nobody has packaged usher yet. Sorry about ludovic that. There's no final package distributed to Debian, but there's an effort in branches org.debian.usher and org.debian.usher.experimental. So far I've been advised to look at org.debian.usher org.debian.experimental and net.venge.monotone.contrib.usher Which of these would be most opportune? Or is there some important ancestral relationship between them? And should I work directly on these branches or fork my own? Maybe something like net.venge.monotone.usher.hendrik or is there a better suggestion? -- hendrik ___ Monotone-devel mailing list Monotone-devel@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/monotone-devel
Re: [Monotone-devel] monotone-usher or usher-server and usher
On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 01:26:42 +, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 10:21:19 +0100, Richard Levitte wrote: In message 87r500w9om@ludovic-brenta.org on Mon, 19 Dec 2011 22:09:13 +0100, Ludovic Brenta ludo...@ludovic-brenta.org said: ludovic ... but TTBOMK nobody has packaged usher yet. Sorry about ludovic that. There's no final package distributed to Debian, but there's an effort in branches org.debian.usher and org.debian.usher.experimental. So far I've been advised to look at org.debian.usher org.debian.experimental and net.venge.monotone.contrib.usher Which of these would be most opportune? Or is there some important ancestral relationship between them? And should I work directly on these branches or fork my own? Maybe something like net.venge.monotone.usher.hendrik or is there a better suggestion? -- hendrik I'm evidently still doing somethihg wrong -- again -- because after I executing mtn pull mtn://code.monotone.ca/monotone?org.debian.usher and getting mtn: doing anonymous pull; use -kKEYNAME if you need authentication mtn: connecting to mtn://code.monotone.ca/monotone mtn: finding items to synchronize: mtn: successful exchange with mtn://code.monotone.ca/monotone mtn: bytes in | bytes out | certs in mtn: 351 | 525 | 0/0 mtn: note: your workspace has not been updated and subsequenty (in another directory) doing mtn checkout --db=~/monotone/monotone.db --branch=org.debian.usher.monotone debush it tells me mtn: misuse: branch 'org.debian.usher.monotone' is empty which I might have guessed from the low bytes in and bytes out counts. Am I talking to the right server? On the other hand, I have no trouble getting net.venge.monotone.contrib.usher which seems to contain an usher without the init.d stuff to start it at boot and keep it up. -- hendrik ___ Monotone-devel mailing list Monotone-devel@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/monotone-devel
Re: [Monotone-devel] monotone-usher or usher-server and usher
In message jcnt6k$9qc$1...@dough.gmane.org on Mon, 19 Dec 2011 17:44:52 + (UTC), Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com said: hendrik I found an old message (http://www.mail-archive.com/monotone- hendrik deb...@nongnu.org/msg00100.html) mentioning an usher-server and an usher hendrik for Debian. At that time there was talk about getting these into debian hendrik experimental, or into unstable or testing after the code freeze. hendrik hendrik Now these look like the recommended way to get usher to start at boot hendrik and stay up. hendrik hendrik But I find no such package now. Where is it, or its code, hiding out? net.venge.monotone.contrib.usher on code.monotone.ca It's been dormant for a bit, mostly because I apparently took a bit of a pause. Been thinking about it lately, though. It would be nice to get it out the door. The main thing I'm trying is to have the current tests split up in smaller chunks, so different features actually become tested one at a time. Cheers, Richard -- Richard Levitte rich...@levitte.org http://richard.levitte.org/ Life is a tremendous celebration - and I'm invited! -- from a friend's blog, translated from Swedish ___ Monotone-devel mailing list Monotone-devel@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/monotone-devel
Re: [Monotone-devel] monotone-usher or usher-server and usher
In message 87r500w9om@ludovic-brenta.org on Mon, 19 Dec 2011 22:09:13 +0100, Ludovic Brenta ludo...@ludovic-brenta.org said: ludovic ... but TTBOMK nobody has packaged usher yet. Sorry about ludovic that. There's no final package distributed to Debian, but there's an effort in branches org.debian.usher and org.debian.usher.experimental. -- Richard Levitte rich...@levitte.org http://richard.levitte.org/ Life is a tremendous celebration - and I'm invited! -- from a friend's blog, translated from Swedish ___ Monotone-devel mailing list Monotone-devel@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/monotone-devel
Re: [Monotone-devel] monotone-usher or usher-server and usher
In message jcoq5l$8pq$1...@dough.gmane.org on Tue, 20 Dec 2011 01:59:17 + (UTC), Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com said: hendrik So what I would have to do is this: hendrik [...] hendrik hendrik Get the package source for monotone. Is that under revision-control hendrik somewhere? It is. org.debian.monotone on code.monotone.ca. hendrik edit it to run usher instead of monotone. This will likely require hendrik changes to the names of files as well as to their contents. I hope not hendrik much more. I suggest you have a look at org.debian.usher, also available on code.monotone.ca. That part is, as far as I recall, ready. -- Richard Levitte rich...@levitte.org http://richard.levitte.org/ Life is a tremendous celebration - and I'm invited! -- from a friend's blog, translated from Swedish ___ Monotone-devel mailing list Monotone-devel@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/monotone-devel
Re: [Monotone-devel] monotone-usher or usher-server and usher
It occurs to me that I've been imprecise. org.debian.monotone and org.debian.usher et al are available on mtn://code.monotone.org/debian-mtn -- Richard Levitte rich...@levitte.org http://richard.levitte.org/ Life is a tremendous celebration - and I'm invited! -- from a friend's blog, translated from Swedish ___ Monotone-devel mailing list Monotone-devel@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/monotone-devel
[Monotone-devel] monotone-usher or usher-server and usher
I found an old message (http://www.mail-archive.com/monotone- deb...@nongnu.org/msg00100.html) mentioning an usher-server and an usher for Debian. At that time there was talk about getting these into debian experimental, or into unstable or testing after the code freeze. Now these look like the recommended way to get usher to start at boot and stay up. But I find no such package now. Where is it, or its code, hiding out? -- hendrik ___ Monotone-devel mailing list Monotone-devel@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/monotone-devel
Re: [Monotone-devel] monotone-usher or usher-server and usher
Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com writes: I found an old message (http://www.mail-archive.com/monotone- deb...@nongnu.org/msg00100.html) mentioning an usher-server and an usher for Debian. At that time there was talk about getting these into debian experimental, or into unstable or testing after the code freeze. Now these look like the recommended way to get usher to start at boot and stay up. But I find no such package now. Where is it, or its code, hiding out? Nowhere :( The package monotone-server automatically configures, and allows a single monotone server instance to start from /etc/init.d/monotone but TTBOMK nobody has packaged usher yet. Sorry about that. If you would like to help, I can sponsor the package into Debian for you. -- Ludovic Brenta (Debian developer and sponsor of monotone packages). ___ Monotone-devel mailing list Monotone-devel@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/monotone-devel
Re: [Monotone-devel] monotone-usher or usher-server and usher
On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 22:09:13 +0100, Ludovic Brenta wrote: Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com writes: I found an old message (http://www.mail-archive.com/monotone- deb...@nongnu.org/msg00100.html) mentioning an usher-server and an usher for Debian. At that time there was talk about getting these into debian experimental, or into unstable or testing after the code freeze. Now these look like the recommended way to get usher to start at boot and stay up. But I find no such package now. Where is it, or its code, hiding out? Nowhere :( The package monotone-server automatically configures, and allows a single monotone server instance to start from /etc/init.d/monotone but TTBOMK nobody has packaged usher yet. Sorry about that. If you would like to help, I can sponsor the package into Debian for you. So what I would have to do is this: If I can postpone getting usher working automatically for a while: (precondition: I already have usher running by other means, but without autostart on boot) Get the package source for monotone. Is that under revision-control somewhere? Find out how to compile packages and start messing with the source code to monotone-server directly. edit it to run usher instead of monotone. This will likely require changes to the names of files as well as to their contents. I hope not much more. And debug it by repeatedly installing and uninstalling. Then, if I have learned enough in the meantime, try to do the same for usher. This time, I'll probably not be able just to copy the package source for monotone, though. -- hendrik ___ Monotone-devel mailing list Monotone-devel@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/monotone-devel
