[MOPO] Everett personal Movie Poster sale Part 1

[Morris Everett Jr.]

Online profilesinhistory.com 1400 lot auction. Reserves are often less than
half the value. Something for every collector. June 29 and 30th starting at
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[MOPO] FA/FS: Some Great Items ENDING TONIGHT & TOMORROW EVENING!!

[Todd]

Hello MoPo,

I currently have 152 items on ebay with some ENDING TONIGHT & TOMORROW EVENING 
including:

SCARFACE 1983 * AL PACINO * MICHELLE PFEIFFER * MINI LOBBY CARD #7 * MINT 
UNUSEDNAPLEON R-1982 * ABEL GANCE * COMPLETE STILL PHOTO SET OF 7 * MINT 
UNUSED!!SCARFACE 1983 * AL PACINO * MICHELLE PFEIFFER * MINI LOBBY CARD #4 * 
MINT UNUSEDSCARFACE 1983 * AL PACINO * MICHELLE PFEIFFER * MINI LOBBY CARD #8 * 
MINT UNUSEDTHE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK 1980 * STAR WARS * ADVANCE  ONE SHEET * C10 
MINT UNUSED!ALIEN 1979 * RIDLEY SCOTT * SCI-FI HORROR * 27 x 41 ONE SHEET * C10 
MINT UNUSED!SCARFACE 1983 * AL PACINO * MICHELLE PFEIFFER * ONE SHEET * C10 
MINT UNUSED!!THE BREAKFAST CLUB 1984 * MOLLY RINGWALD * RARE ADVANCE SUBWAY 
POSTER * C10 MINTCONAN THE BARBARIAN 1982 * ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER * SANDAHL 
BERGMAN * ONE SHEET!!CEILING ZERO 1936 * JAMES CAGNEY * PAT O'BRIEN * HOWARD 
HAWKS * 14 x 36 INSERT!!RETURN OF THE JEDI 1983 * GEORGE LUCAS * STYLE-B ONE 
SHEET * C10 MINT UNUSED!!THE DARK CRYSTAL 1982 * JIM HANSEN * FRANK OZ * ONE 
SHEET * NEAR MINT UNUSED!!
If you have a minute, please feel free to check them all out at the following 
link:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/toddfeiertag/m.html?_ipg=200&_sop=10&_rdc=1

If the above link doesn't work, you can search by my Ebay User id: toddfeiertag

**Many
 of the MINT UNUSED posters I obtained personally almost 40 years ago 
when I had a good connection with National Screen Service.
You
 would be hard pressed to find these same titles that are now almost 40 
years old in this MINT UNUSED condition anywhere else and if you do, 
they probably came from me and will be a lot more expensive!!

Here's a small sampling of some of the items listed.
HALLOWEEN ll 1981 * JAMIE LEE CURTIS * DONALD PLEASENCE * HORROR 1 SHEET * 
MINT!MONTY PYTHON'S THE MEANING OF LIFE 1983 * JOHN CLEESE * 27 x 41 ONE SHEET 
* MINTRETURN OF THE JEDI 1983 * GEORGE LUCAS * STYLE-B ONE SHEET * C10 MINT 
UNUSED!!THE WRONG MAN 1956 * ALFRED HITCHCOCK * EXTREMELY RARE HALF SHEET * 
MINT!!RINGS ON HER FINGERS 1942 * HENRY FONDA * GENE TIERNEY * STONE LITHO 
THREE SHEETCHAMPAGNE SAFARI 1954 * RITA HAYWORTH * PRINCE ALY KHAN * TITLE CARD 
* RARE!!!2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY 1968 * STANLEY KUBRICK * COMPLETE LOBBY CARD SET 
* RARE!!MOONRAKER 1979 * JAMES BOND 007 * 27 x 41 REVIEW ONE SHEET * C10 MINT 
UNUSED!!GAME OF DEATH 1978 * BRUCE LEE * KUNG FU * 27 x 41 ONE SHEET * C10 MINT 
UNUSED!!GOLDFINGER 1964 * JAMES BOND 007 * SEAN CONNERY * RARE MINT PRESSBOOK * 
L@@K!!THE ENFORCER 1977 * CLINT EASTWOOD * DIRTY HARRY * ONE SHEET * C10 MINT 
UNUSED!WESTERN GOLD R-1940'S * SMITH BALLEW * 27x41 B-WESTERN MORGAN LITHO * 
NEAR MINT!
Plus Lots More!!

Again, please feel free to check them ALL out!


Thanks.
Todd Feiertag






























  
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Re: [MOPO] [FA] ULTRA Rare English One Sheet - The Third Man (1949)

[Richard C Evans]

It’s in Ed Harris’ Britain’s Forgotten Film Factory: The Story Of Isleworth 
Studios. 2012. 
And also Derek Threadgall’s 1994 British Film Institute publication, Shepperton 
studios: an independent view. 

Which Ed Harris may have got it from.

Just spotted, thanks to that humongous Third Man quad image, that it does show 
a censor rating in the tiny disc on the right. 

Whether or not I knew it and forgot, the recognised Brit 1-sht also has it, as 
does the 3-sheet.

You can see why they replaced that way of doing it. Once you see it.

Got the one I consigned to Heritage off Choko in France, I think sometime mid 
to late 90s.

He also had a 3-sht, as did Reel Poster Gallery at the same time.

Bob Brooks was selling a copy of the disputed International back in 2004. He's 
in Canada, whether or not that's where he found it.

Never seen quad for sale, only had an image of it on a BFI postcard.

I need to read through everything again, I just have serious difficulty 
believing a post 55 RR International 1-sht would have that quality of printing 
and be so close to the 49 domestic 1-sht.

Though I suppose there are instances, like that Invaders From Mars 1-sht.







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> On 23 Jun 2015, at 19:27, Paul Gerrard 
> <0060c3f9be9c-dmarc-requ...@listserv.american.edu> wrote:
> 
> Under London Films International for the 1st release (an offshoot of London 
> Films who owned British Lion), according to the Sydney Herald article that 
> David posted.
>  
> I originally had the same sort of doubts as you, and that’s why I researched 
> backwards to try and find if the Lion International name had been used before 
> 1955 (not just in US). After all, if British Lion could be re-born, why not a 
> company called Lion International? That's also why I only had *slight* 
> reservations at the beginning – I knew The Third Man was distributed by 
> British Lion in the UK, so it was more than reasonable there might be a 
> similarly-named company called Lion International (or even British Lion 
> International) for international distribution. BUT, as I said previously, I 
> could find no trace of that name, only London Films International.  
>  
> As Wim says, I think the absence of the London  logo is also significant in 
> this case. You were right about credits on posters seemingly not always 
> conforming to logic, but the London Films logo on British one sheets does 
> seem ruthlessly consistent.
>  
> Helmut is quite right, Korda set up Deutsche London Film for distribution in 
> Germany … which may reveal his naming preferences for international 
> companies!  
>  
> Having said all this, I’m obviously very happy to be proved wrong if the 
> evidence is there! What accounts of IFD appear to have them utilising Lion 
> International from 1950? Anything that looks contemporary?
>  
> Paul
> www.movieposterstudio.com
>  
>  
>  
> In a message dated 23/06/2015 17:14:32 GMT Daylight Time, evan...@mac.com 
> writes:
> According to chap at Canal relating to Third Man, "British Lion distributed 
> internationally."  (Under what name?)
> 
> And accounts of Woolf's IFD have them utilising Lion International from 1950.
>  
> Since Lion didn't distribute in the USA prior to 55, then presumably, once 
> they started to in 55 after the reformation of the company, they would have 
> to form a new company there to do so. 
> 
> I'm not convinced that when the company was reformed, and they launched 
> distribution in the US they couldn't have reused a previously used name, one 
> never used in the US.
> 
> Unless of course there's evidence of their prior international distribution 
> being done under a different name.
> 
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[MOPO] HOUSE ON CHELOUCHE STREET

[Posteritati]

Hi again,

We are looking for a one sheet for the Israeli film THE HOUSE ON CHELOUCHE 
STREET.

thx.
sam

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239 Centre St FL 4
New York, NY 10013
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Re: [MOPO] [FA] ULTRA Rare English One Sheet - The Third Man (1949)

[David]

I don't know, is the original UK release easily obtainable? HA is the 
only one on record who has sold the original back in 2006  for US$5,750 
in comparison the BIDLL one  
has a starting bid of just USD$2,750


David



Tommy Barr wrote on 24/06/2015 12:32 AM:
All this has been very interesting, but I wonder how it affects the 
question of value. In general, however, is a rare re-release poster 
worth more than an original release poster which is fairly easily 
obtainable?


Tommy

On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Helmut Hamm > wrote:


I must admit that I have somewhat lost track about the back and
forth around this poster. However, the information that Paul has
dug up can hardly be contradicted:


http://www.archive.org/stream/motionpicturedai78unse#page/n481/mode/2up/search/%27lion+international+films%27

Motion Picture Daily from September 21, 1955 announces the
foundation Lion Films International. Thus, the poster in question
must be from 1955 or later and I stand corrected.

Well, live and learn...

Helmut

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Re: [MOPO] [FA] ULTRA Rare English One Sheet - The Third Man (1949)

[Paul Gerrard]

 
Under  London Films International for the 1st release (an offshoot of 
London Films  who owned British Lion), according to the Sydney Herald article 
that  David posted. 
I  originally had the same sort of doubts as you, and that’s why I 
researched  backwards to try and find if the Lion International name had been 
used 
before  1955 (not just in US). After all, if British Lion could be re-born, 
why not a  company called Lion International? That's also why I only had 
*slight*  reservations at the beginning – I knew The Third Man was distributed 
by British  Lion in the UK, so it was more than reasonable there might be a 
similarly-named  company called Lion International (or even British Lion 
International) for  international distribution. BUT, as I said previously, I 
could find no trace of  that name, only London Films International.
As  Wim says, I think the absence of the London  logo is also significant 
in this case. You were right about credits on posters  seemingly not always 
conforming to logic, but the London Films logo on British  one sheets does 
seem ruthlessly consistent. 
Helmut  is quite right, Korda set up Deutsche London Film for distribution 
in Germany  … which may reveal his naming preferences for international 
companies!   
Having  said all this, I’m obviously very happy to be proved wrong if the 
evidence  is there! What accounts of IFD appear to have them utilising Lion 
International  from 1950? Anything that looks contemporary?
 
Paul
_www.movieposterstudio.com_ (http://www.movieposterstudio.com) 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 23/06/2015 17:14:32 GMT Daylight Time, evan...@mac.com  
writes:

According to chap at Canal relating to Third Man, "British  Lion 
distributed internationally."  (Under what name?)
 


And accounts of Woolf's IFD have them utilising Lion International from  
1950.
 
Since Lion didn't distribute in the USA prior to 55, then presumably,  once 
they started to in 55 after the reformation of the company, they would  
have to form a new company there to do so. 
 


I'm not convinced that when the company was reformed, and they launched  
distribution in the US they couldn't have reused a previously used name, one  
never used in the US.


Unless of course there's evidence of their prior international  
distribution being done under a different  name.




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[MOPO] Distant Drums one sheet

[Posteritati]

Hi,

We are looking for a Distant Drums one sheet.

thx.
sam

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New York, NY 10013
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Re: [MOPO] [FA] ULTRA Rare English One Sheet - The Third Man (1949)

[Wim Jansen]

That’s why I think the Lion International is relevant, but not as relevant as 
the absence of the London Film logo. To use another rule that is not applicable 
all of the time: on original release the info of the production company is 
always there, while on rereleases the distributor info is always there (realArt 
for example). London Film was the production company of The Third Man, Korda 
bought British Lion solely for expansion (extra studio, extra distribution 
channel). 
It’s not inconceivable that IFD made use of British Lion before 1955, though I 
have not sen evidence of that so far. However Lion International was set up 
just as a distribution company in 1955, while British Lion also produced.

I think the printer info Nottingham and or London is quite significant.
Op 23 jun. 2015, om 18:14 heeft Richard C Evans  het volgende 
geschreven:

> According to chap at Canal relating to Third Man, "British Lion distributed 
> internationally."  (Under what name?)
> 
> And accounts of Woolf's IFD have them utilising Lion International from 1950.
>  
> Since Lion didn't distribute in the USA prior to 55, then presumably, once 
> they started to in 55 after the reformation of the company, they would have 
> to form a new company there to do so. 
> 
> I'm not convinced that when the company was reformed, and they launched 
> distribution in the US they couldn't have reused a previously used name, one 
> never used in the US.
> 
> Unless of course there's evidence of their prior international distribution 
> being done under a different name.
> 
> 
> On 23 Jun 2015, at 14:56, Helmut Hamm wrote:
> 
>> I must admit that I have somewhat lost track about the back and forth around 
>> this poster. However, the information that Paul has dug up can hardly be 
>> contradicted:
>> 
>> http://www.archive.org/stream/motionpicturedai78unse#page/n481/mode/2up/search/%27lion+international+films%27
>> 
>> Motion Picture Daily from September 21, 1955 announces the foundation Lion 
>> Films International. Thus, the poster in question must be from 1955 or later 
>> and I stand corrected.
>> 
>> Well, live and learn...
>> 
>> Helmut
>> 
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Re: [MOPO] [FA] ULTRA Rare English One Sheet - The Third Man (1949)

[Helmut Hamm]

Richard,

THE THIRD MAN was originally released in Germany by 'Deutsche London Film' in 
1950. The first re-release must've been around 1956, and the poster still shows 
this company as distributor. By the end of 1956, they either changed names or 
went out of business.

It would make sense that all international distribution was then handled by 
'Lion Films International'.

Helmut


> 
> I'm not convinced that when the company was reformed, and they launched 
> distribution in the US they couldn't have reused a previously used name, one 
> never used in the US.
> 
> Unless of course there's evidence of their prior international distribution 
> being done under a different name.


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Re: [MOPO] My history of bad luck chasing an original "Third Man (1949)."

[Jeff Potokar]

A Great write up, David... as always.

Kudos!

Jeff




On Jun 22, 2015, at 4:07 PM, David Kusumoto wrote:

* After reading mostly dealer posts for five straight days, here  
are my observations for consumers.  Unless indicated, the following  
are OPINIONS, not facts.  They shed no additional information other  
than to provide my own history - then vs. now - about this title.   
(Again, it's too bad Bruce Hershenson quit MOPO - as his views  
would have been invaluable as NO ONE has handled more movie paper -  
nor owns a titanic collection of press books from around the world  
than he.)


1.  My "opinion" is Bidll's "The Third Man" is an international one- 
sheet of "some kind" - that was never intended for display in the  
U.K.  Anything else is possible, but that's where I fall if I were  
interested in buying it.  Parenthetically, among the many points  
and markers debated as to first issue or re-issue and international  
vs domestic, I find it intriguing that the seller - who strikes me  
as being very conscientious - resides in New Zealand yet has little  
provenance information about how and where this apparently rolled  
poster was acquired as well as other details such as texture, etc.   
This may not be "empirically" relevant to this poster compared to  
printed markers, but in my view, its geographic location and "how  
it feels" is circumstantially relevant to the debate of national  
vs. international, original or re-issue.


2.  As some know, I used to collect only COUNTRY-OF-ORIGIN DOMESTIC  
ISSUE posters, a common practice among collectors of country-of- 
origin first edition books.  A country of origin "The Third Man"  
poster was once at the top of my list of wants.


3.  Today, if I stuck to my old narrow (minded) preferences, I'd  
only buy a first issue BQ of "Third Man." While I love VINTAGE  
international one-sheets or daybills - for "The Third Man," I  
won't.  To put it bluntly, I was burned by a major auction house  
(Heritage) - by its mis-representation of this title way back in  
2003.  Heritage's actions were NOT intentional - and to be fair - I  
was frankly ignorant about what Helmut rightly says about the  
general "rule" - but NOT the "law" - that British one-sheets were  
predominantly targeted for international markets.  And for some  
hare-brained reason (at the time) - I thought the U.K. one-sheet  
format was "common" enough to be displayed sporadically  
domestically, though not favored compared to the more popular quad.


* On 20 November 2003, I bought a British RE-ISSUE one-sheet from  
Heritage to "The Third Man" for $1725 - that Heritage mis- 
represented as a 1949 first U.K. issue.  The original 2003  
description has not changed hence you can still see its mistake at  
the link below.  Note how there is no information about it being a  
"reissue" of any kind; Heritage simply declares it as "original"  
and labels its date to 1949:


http://comics.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=808&lotNo=1119

Image 1 of 5 (Heritage, November 2003, $1725):



* I did NOT learn until one year later that Heritage misrepresented  
the poster I bought for $1725 as a 1949 "original" when it was in  
fact a 1950s re-issue.  Sure, I could have raised hell but did not,  
out of deference to my friendship with Grey - but just as important  
- I did not because of the intimidating legal wording in Heritage's  
terms and conditions about its responsibility for errors - which  
implied no returns accepted - or - at the very least, an unwritten  
"statute of limitations" to resolve disputes.


* One year later, in November 2004 - Heritage sold ANOTHER 1950s re- 
issue - but this time, it correctly identified it as a re-issue,  
and it fetched for $1150.  This was the date of my discovery - that  
what I bought the year before - had been misrepresented by  
Heritage.  Frankly, "Buyer Beware" didn't enter my mind in 2003  
with Heritage, even though it was new to the movie poster auction  
scene.


http://movieposters.ha.com/itm/film-noir/the-third-man-british-lion- 
film-1949-/a/607-19401.s


Image 2 of 5 (Heritage, November 2004, $1150):


* I grumbled but didn't want to cause a scene because I like Grey.   
I kept the re-issue poster I bought in November 2003 for four years.


* By March 2006, Heritage "apparently" got it right.  I say  
"apparently" because in recent days, there have been legitimate  
questions in the debate about originals vs. re-issues in recent  
days on MoPo.  The example below was represented as a genuine U.K.  
1949 original and it sold for $5750:


http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=633&lotNo=28253

Image 3 of 5 (Heritage, March 2006, $5750):



* In 2007, after I decided to leave hard core poster collecting, I  
consigned my bogus $1725 "original" The Third Man poster that I  
bought from Heritage in November 2003 - seen in image 1 of 5 above  
- with a batch of posters to eMoviePoster on 11 December 2007 -  
properly identifying "The Third Man" poster I 

Re: [MOPO] [FA] ULTRA Rare English One Sheet - The Third Man (1949)

[Jeff Potokar]

And shot thru some nice, soft diffusion, too.

:)



On Jun 23, 2015, at 5:46 AM, allen day wrote:


Now ... this is what I refer to as a "hi-res' pic of a poster.

ad

On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 5:58 AM, David Rew  wrote:
Just wanted to offer this follow-up.

As you know I had written to Mr Peter Snell owner of CEO of British  
Lion Film in the hope he might be able to help with the puzzle of  
the poster. Although he did not respond directly to me he did  
kindly pass on my email to Studio Canal to respond. For those who  
do not know, Studio Canal actually have just restored The Third Man  
and it has (just) been released as well as available to purchase  
from all the usual online re-sellers; watch the (restored) trailer  
here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9yyDEDGlr0.


Mr. Massimo Moretti who is the UK Library Commercial Development  
Manager for StudioCanal answered as follows [some edits]:


"... Our company controls the rights to most of the historical  
British Lion catalogue. It is a library with a fascinating history,  
but this is history is also quite complicated. Please accept my  
apologies for the generalizations, but, in essence:


Studiocanal acquired the catalogue as part of the purchase of the  
Lumiere Films catalogue in 1994-6.


Originally the British Lion assets were acquired by EMI Films  
around 1973. What makes it complicated is that British Lion acted  
both as a financier and as a straightforward distributor and the  
rights situations are sometimes complex. However, around 1949,  
British Lion was owned by Sir Alexander Korda who used the studio  
facilities at Shepperton and the distribution arm for his films  
produced under ‘London Films’. This is where The Third Man comes  
into place. At the time The Selznick Organization acquired North  
American distribution rights (the title was spelled The 3rd Man and  
the poster is very different), while British Lion distributed  
internationally."


I also asked if it might be possible if he would know the  
international re-release history for the film, to which he replied:


"I am afraid our records on the International distribution arm are  
pretty much non-existent, we end up relying on the BFI library and  
imdb.com (which is far from reliable sometimes). It does not help  
that when producing artwork British Lion often relied on National  
Screen Services and they have also long gone."


He also kindly (as I did ask), a couple of lo-res images of the  
quads...thought you might like to see them...I'm assuming the US  
(Selznick) one would have been part of the USA 1956/57 re-releases  
(BTW - the US poster sucks ass). ;)


Here are the confirmations of those USA reissues
http://www.archive.org/stream/motionpicturedai78unse#page/n383/mode/ 
2up
http://www.archive.org/stream/motionpicturedai80unse#page/n347/mode/ 
2up/search/%22third+man%22+AND+%22reissue%22


That is all I have thus far, as you know I had written to someone I  
know at BFI but as yet I have not heard back. Either way, I think  
the poster on BIDLL is a special and rare one - good luck if you  
are bidding.






regards,
David Rew
[mob] 0402 925 158

bidll.com

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Re: [MOPO] [FA] ULTRA Rare English One Sheet - The Third Man (1949)

[Richard C Evans]

According to chap at Canal relating to Third Man, "British Lion distributed 
internationally."  (Under what name?)

And accounts of Woolf's IFD have them utilising Lion International from 1950.
 
Since Lion didn't distribute in the USA prior to 55, then presumably, once they 
started to in 55 after the reformation of the company, they would have to form 
a new company there to do so. 

I'm not convinced that when the company was reformed, and they launched 
distribution in the US they couldn't have reused a previously used name, one 
never used in the US.

Unless of course there's evidence of their prior international distribution 
being done under a different name.


On 23 Jun 2015, at 14:56, Helmut Hamm wrote:

> I must admit that I have somewhat lost track about the back and forth around 
> this poster. However, the information that Paul has dug up can hardly be 
> contradicted:
> 
> http://www.archive.org/stream/motionpicturedai78unse#page/n481/mode/2up/search/%27lion+international+films%27
> 
> Motion Picture Daily from September 21, 1955 announces the foundation Lion 
> Films International. Thus, the poster in question must be from 1955 or later 
> and I stand corrected.
> 
> Well, live and learn...
> 
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Re: [MOPO] [FA] ULTRA Rare English One Sheet - The Third Man (1949)

[Tommy Barr]

All this has been very interesting, but I wonder how it affects the
question of value. In general, however, is a rare re-release poster worth
more than an original release poster which is fairly easily obtainable?

Tommy

On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Helmut Hamm  wrote:

> I must admit that I have somewhat lost track about the back and forth
> around this poster. However, the information that Paul has dug up can
> hardly be contradicted:
>
>
> http://www.archive.org/stream/motionpicturedai78unse#page/n481/mode/2up/search/%27lion+international+films%27
>
> Motion Picture Daily from September 21, 1955 announces the foundation Lion
> Films International. Thus, the poster in question must be from 1955 or
> later and I stand corrected.
>
> Well, live and learn...
>
> Helmut
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Re: [MOPO] [FA] ULTRA Rare English One Sheet - The Third Man (1949)

[Helmut Hamm]

I must admit that I have somewhat lost track about the back and forth around 
this poster. However, the information that Paul has dug up can hardly be 
contradicted:

http://www.archive.org/stream/motionpicturedai78unse#page/n481/mode/2up/search/%27lion+international+films%27

Motion Picture Daily from September 21, 1955 announces the foundation Lion 
Films International. Thus, the poster in question must be from 1955 or later 
and I stand corrected.

Well, live and learn...

Helmut

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Re: [MOPO] [FA] ULTRA Rare English One Sheet - The Third Man (1949)

[allen day]

Now ... this is what I refer to as a "hi-res' pic of a poster.

ad

On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 5:58 AM, David Rew  wrote:

>  Just wanted to offer this follow-up.
>
> As you know I had written to Mr Peter Snell owner of CEO of British Lion
> Film in the hope he might be able to help with the puzzle of the poster.
> Although he did not respond directly to me he did kindly pass on my email
> to Studio Canal to respond. For those who do not know, Studio Canal
> actually have just restored The Third Man and it has (just) been released
> as well as available to purchase from all the usual online re-sellers;
> watch the (restored) trailer here:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9yyDEDGlr0.
>
> Mr. Massimo Moretti who is the UK Library Commercial Development Manager
> for StudioCanal answered as follows [some edits]:
>
> *"... Our company controls the rights to most of the historical British
> Lion catalogue. It is a library with a fascinating history, but this is
> history is also quite complicated. Please accept my apologies for the
> generalizations, but, in essence:*
>
> *Studiocanal acquired the catalogue as part of the purchase of the Lumiere
> Films catalogue in 1994-6. *
>
> *Originally the British Lion assets were acquired by EMI Films around
> 1973. What makes it complicated is that British Lion acted both as a
> financier and as a straightforward distributor and the rights situations
> are sometimes complex. However, around 1949, British Lion was owned by Sir
> Alexander Korda who used the studio facilities at Shepperton and the
> distribution arm for his films produced under ‘London Films’. This is where
> The Third Man comes into place. At the time The Selznick Organization
> acquired North American distribution rights (the title was spelled The 3rd
> Man and the poster is very different), while British Lion distributed
> internationally."*
>
> I also asked if it might be possible if he would know the international
> re-release history for the film, to which he replied:
>
> *"I am afraid our records on the International distribution arm are pretty
> much non-existent, we end up relying on the BFI library and imdb.com
>  (which is far from reliable sometimes). It does not help
> that when producing artwork British Lion often relied on National Screen
> Services and they have also long gone.**"*
>
> He also kindly (as I did ask), a couple of lo-res images of the
> quads...thought you might like to see them...I'm assuming the US (Selznick)
> one would have been part of the *USA 1956/57** re-releases* (BTW - the US
> poster sucks ass). ;)
>
> Here are the confirmations of those USA reissues
> http://www.archive.org/stream/motionpicturedai78unse#page/n383/mode/2up
>
> http://www.archive.org/stream/motionpicturedai80unse#page/n347/mode/2up/search/%22third+man%22+AND+%22reissue%22
>
> That is all I have thus far, as you know I had written to someone I know
> at BFI but as yet I have not heard back. Either way, I think the poster on 
> BIDLL
> is a special and rare one  -
> good luck if you are bidding.
>
>
>
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Re: [MOPO] [FA] ULTRA Rare English One Sheet - The Third Man (1949)

[Paul Gerrard]

It's really good of them to reply so quickly. However, I should point out  
that the 1st image you attached is not a quad, but (most of) a first  
release US Half Sheet style B.
The 2nd image is a really nice one of the original  quad though.
 
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In a message dated 23/06/2015 10:58:51 GMT Daylight Time, da...@bidll.com  
writes:

Just  wanted to offer this follow-up.

As you know I had written to Mr Peter  Snell owner of CEO of British Lion 
Film in the hope he might be able to help  with the puzzle of the poster. 
Although he did not respond directly to me he  did kindly pass on my email to 
Studio Canal to respond. For those who do not  know, Studio Canal actually 
have just restored The Third Man and it has (just)  been released as well as 
available to purchase from all the usual online  re-sellers; watch the 
(restored) trailer here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9yyDEDGlr0.

Mr.  Massimo Moretti who is the UK Library Commercial Development Manager 
for  StudioCanal answered as follows [some edits]:

"... Our company  controls the rights to most of the historical British 
Lion catalogue. It is a  library with a fascinating history, but this is 
history is also quite  complicated. Please accept my apologies for the 
generalizations, but, in  essence:

Studiocanal acquired the catalogue as  part of the purchase of the Lumiere 
Films catalogue in 1994-6.  

Originally the British Lion assets were acquired  by EMI Films around 1973. 
What makes it complicated is that British Lion acted  both as a financier 
and as a straightforward distributor and the rights  situations are sometimes 
complex. However, around 1949, British Lion was owned  by Sir Alexander 
Korda who used the studio facilities at Shepperton and the  distribution arm 
for his films produced under ‘London Films’. This is where  The Third Man 
comes into place. At the time The Selznick Organization acquired  North 
American distribution rights (the title was spelled The 3rd Man and the  poster 
is 
very different), while British Lion distributed  internationally."

I also asked if it might be possible if he would  know the international 
re-release history for the film, to which he  replied:

"I am afraid our records on the International distribution  arm are pretty 
much non-existent, we end up relying on the BFI library and  imdb.com (which 
is far from reliable sometimes). It does not help that when  producing 
artwork British Lion often relied on National Screen Services and  they have 
also long gone."

He also kindly (as I did ask), a  couple of lo-res images of the 
quads...thought you might like to see  them...I'm assuming the US (Selznick) 
one would 
have been part of the  USA 1956/57 re-releases (BTW - the US poster sucks  
ass). ;)

Here are the confirmations of those USA reissues
http://www.archive.org/stream/motionpicturedai78unse#page/n383/mode/2up
_http://www.archive.org/stream/motionpicturedai80unse#page/n347/mode/2up/sea
rch/%22third+man%22+AND+%22reissue%22_ 
(http://www.archive.org/stream/motionpicturedai80unse#page/n347/mode/2up/search/"third+man"+AND+"reissue";)
 

That  is all I have thus far, as you know I had written to someone I know 
at BFI but  as yet I have not heard back. Either way, I think the poster on 
_BIDLL is a special and rare  one_ (http://bidll.com/Listing/Details/420722)  
- good luck if you are bidding.





  
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Re: [MOPO] [FA] ULTRA Rare English One Sheet - The Third Man (1949)

[David Rew]

Just wanted to offer this follow-up.

As you know I had written to Mr Peter Snell owner of CEO of British Lion 
Film in the hope he might be able to help with the puzzle of the poster. 
Although he did not respond directly to me he did kindly pass on my 
email to Studio Canal to respond. For those who do not know, Studio 
Canal actually have just restored The Third Man and it has (just) been 
released as well as available to purchase from all the usual online 
re-sellers; watch the (restored) trailer here: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9yyDEDGlr0.


Mr. Massimo Moretti who is the UK Library Commercial Development Manager 
for StudioCanal answered as follows [some edits]:


/"... Our company controls the rights to most of the historical British 
Lion catalogue. It is a library with a fascinating history, but this is 
history is also quite complicated. Please accept my apologies for the 
generalizations, but, in essence://

//
//Studiocanal acquired the catalogue as part of the purchase of the 
Lumiere Films catalogue in 1994-6. //

//
//Originally the British Lion assets were acquired by EMI Films around 
1973. What makes it complicated is that British Lion acted both as a 
financier and as a straightforward distributor and the rights situations 
are sometimes complex. However, around 1949, British Lion was owned by 
Sir Alexander Korda who used the studio facilities at Shepperton and the 
distribution arm for his films produced under ‘London Films’. This is 
where The Third Man comes into place. At the time The Selznick 
Organization acquired North American distribution rights (the title was 
spelled The 3rd Man and the poster is very different), while British 
Lion distributed internationally."/


I also asked if it might be possible if he would know the international 
re-release history for the film, to which he replied:


/"I am afraid our records on the International distribution arm are 
pretty much non-existent, we end up relying on the BFI library and 
imdb.com (which is far from reliable sometimes). It does not help that 
when producing artwork British Lion often relied on National Screen 
Services and they have also long gone.//"/


He also kindly (as I did ask), a couple of lo-res images of the 
quads...thought you might like to see them...I'm assuming the US 
(Selznick) one would have been part of the _*USA 
1956/57*_*_re-releases_* (BTW - the US poster sucks ass). ;)


Here are the confirmations of those USA reissues
http://www.archive.org/stream/motionpicturedai78unse#page/n383/mode/2up
http://www.archive.org/stream/motionpicturedai80unse#page/n347/mode/2up/search/%22third+man%22+AND+%22reissue%22

That is all I have thus far, as you know I had written to someone I know 
at BFI but as yet I have not heard back. Either way, I think the poster 
on BIDLL is a special and rare one 
 - good luck if you are bidding.






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Re: [MOPO] [FA] ULTRA Rare English One Sheet - The Third Man (1949)

[David Rew]

Hi All

Well as you know our NZ based collector and seller of this rare poster 
on BIDLL has been following the 
conversations on MoPo with much interest, and although he did not ask me 
to pass on this message I felt I would let you know that he said: /


"...a big thank you to yourself and your collecting community for 
putting in so much effort into finding out the origins of this poster."/





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David wrote on 23/06/2015 7:57 AM:

Good Morning all!

Once again my beauty sleep has worked wonders for my skin, the 
wrinkles have fallen to one side, which has made me a little blind in 
one eye as I see I have a lot of reading.


Well if nothing else I have enjoyed the hunt and the excellent 
resources that have been used and posted for more information on this 
poster - thanks to all. I think many have enjoyed some of the what has 
been revealed. The link to http://mediahistoryproject.org/ from Paul 
Gerrard (via Uncle Phil some years ago) is excellent, I've been 
trawling through it, what a superb resource!


Here's something interesting, (apologies if others have already seen 
it): 
http://archive.org/stream/motionpicturedai78unse#page/n383/mode/2up 
specifically perhaps note what films were up for immediate re-release, 
although it doesn't specifically help date the poster because we do 
have those other "R-50s" posters in the mix.


Anyway, back to the reading, fantastic and fascinating stuff and the 
most animated membership has been in a while, one could almost hear 
all the coffin lids creaking and the capes being thrown back over the 
shoulders...


David

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