Re: [MOPO] Framed Larger Posters - Warping Can Be An Aesthetic Bitch

2006-02-07 Thread Susan Heim




Hello Freeman and all,
 When I am stretching an oil painting, this is exactly 
the process I use. However, doing it with a linenbacked poster would definitely 
be a pain. Getting all those staples out every time someone wanted to switch a 
poster in and out will eventually damage the excess linen. Since it isn't a part 
of the value of the poster, that is not an issue, but if the linen begins to 
unthread into the poster that it. Since you are putting the staples so close 
together, if you have to pull out the staples and then restaple for the next 
poster, there isn't much unused space left to put in the new staples. I haven't 
had the buckling problem on larger posters that were flat to begin with. That is 
the ticket, and Freeman has it dead on, it is a linenbacking issue. 

 If I have a larger oversize piece, I usually use 
two pieces of Artcare1/4" thick museumbacking behind it. The trick 
is also to get a good tightstapling on the top of the frame, give it a bit 
of pull and then staple the bottom of the frame. You will occasionally get a bit 
of movement with humidity changes, but it typically flattens right back out when 
the weather warms up. Some people keep the air conditioner very high in their 
homes and that, too, can add to the problems of paper and fabric. I have 
found that with the larger items, they are very rarely perfectly flat when I 
receive them to do framing. When you are framing something as large as a 6 
sheet, etc. the framer should be building a backmount frame and once that 
is stapled or nailed into the frame, the poster can barely move at all. All the 
load of the weight of the frame is also placed on that back frame with the 
actual frame on the front being more decorative at this point. Anyway, that's 
the scoop. I say as long as everything is archival, whatever makes it look good 
on your wall without damaging the poster is all good. Just some thoughts!!

Sue

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  Warping Can Be An Aesthetic Bitch
  
  Tom and gang,
  My experience is consistent with your comments. 
  I had a 2 panelFrench Lawrence De Arabie (63" x 94") 
  and initially it was really a buckler which drove me nuts. The framer 
  came back out to my house, and putting in both leaves into my dining table and 
  clamping plexi-glass on one end I was able to create a workspace to handle the 
  size of the poster. we basically trimmed more of the linen at top and 
  bottom for it appeared the buckling was more a quotient of poster creating 
  more slack from hanging vertically and possibly moisture in the air, 
  rare in LA but this was January a rainy season...thus buckling as it had 
  no room to stretch its legs. We staple gunned very evenlyonto the 
  linen as closely to the actual paper tightly along top of inner frame - 
  that'sthe support inter-frame that reinforces the outer, decorative 
  frame due to theweight of the plexi-glass. Then only lightly 
  pulling canvas to bottom of inter-frame to allow for shrinkage in warmer 
  months. It worked great but I think if I had attempted this in Summer I 
  would have had more sag or warp in winter as poster relaxes due to 
  moisture.
  
  Theabove was my firstproblem experiencing this 
  with large paper. I nowhave a slightly different approach 
  whenframing such posters, especially 6 sheets. My clients do not 
  want sagging. So now I assist a framer I use regularly and we wrap 
  poster around an interframe with excess linenas if re-stretching a 
  canvas.The paper usually isjust short of flush with edge of inter 
  frame. I was worried that in drier monthsthat poster 
  could split if temp variations caused to shrink too tightly. So when 
  stapling linen to frame, we now staple all four sides witha slightly 
  relaxed stretch that allows for some give and take due to environment 
  changes. Of course many installations are in homes or buildings 
  with very regulated temperatures. However I still do the same as heat 
  would cause subtle tightening. This has worked out great thus far. 
  Noscreaming calls of terror with a poster splitting from being stretched 
  to tightly...if that even ever happens. The trick is to staple with 
  very little space in between each. For example I counted the number of 
  staples used in one of my last installations and it was close to 300. 
  Admittedly its a bitch when switching out 6 sheetsor 4 foglioswhen 
  client wants to rotate out a poster. Pulling every one of the staples 
  out carefully so as to not shred or tear excess linen so it can be hung again 
  later is agonizingly TEDIOUS and hell on the forearm. But its a service 
  call and it adds to cash flow and great one on one client 
  interaction.
  
  Your rippling though is not necessarily exclusive to 
  large paper. A onesheet can demonstrate

[MOPO] Framed Larger Posters - Warping Can Be An Aesthetic Bitch

2006-02-05 Thread Flixspix



Tom and gang,
My experience is consistent with your comments. I 
had a 2 panelFrench Lawrence De Arabie (63" x 94") and 
initially it was really a buckler which drove me nuts. The framer came 
back out to my house, and putting in both leaves into my dining table and 
clamping plexi-glass on one end I was able to create a workspace to handle the 
size of the poster. we basically trimmed more of the linen at top and 
bottom for it appeared the buckling was more a quotient of poster creating more 
slack from hanging vertically and possibly moisture in the air, rare in LA 
but this was January a rainy season...thus buckling as it had no room to 
stretch its legs. We staple gunned very evenlyonto the linen as 
closely to the actual paper tightly along top of inner frame - that'sthe 
support inter-frame that reinforces the outer, decorative frame due to 
theweight of the plexi-glass. Then only lightly pulling canvas to 
bottom of inter-frame to allow for shrinkage in warmer months. It worked 
great but I think if I had attempted this in Summer I would have had more sag or 
warp in winter as poster relaxes due to moisture.

Theabove was my firstproblem experiencing this 
with large paper. I nowhave a slightly different approach 
whenframing such posters, especially 6 sheets. My clients do not 
want sagging. So now I assist a framer I use regularly and we wrap poster 
around an interframe with excess linenas if re-stretching a 
canvas.The paper usually isjust short of flush with edge of inter 
frame. I was worried that in drier monthsthat poster 
could split if temp variations caused to shrink too tightly. So when 
stapling linen to frame, we now staple all four sides witha slightly 
relaxed stretch that allows for some give and take due to environment 
changes. Of course many installations are in homes or buildings with 
very regulated temperatures. However I still do the same as heat would 
cause subtle tightening. This has worked out great thus far. 
Noscreaming calls of terror with a poster splitting from being stretched 
to tightly...if that even ever happens. The trick is to staple with 
very little space in between each. For example I counted the number of 
staples used in one of my last installations and it was close to 300. 
Admittedly its a bitch when switching out 6 sheetsor 4 foglioswhen 
client wants to rotate out a poster. Pulling every one of the staples out 
carefully so as to not shred or tear excess linen so it can be hung again later 
is agonizingly TEDIOUS and hell on the forearm. But its a service call and 
it adds to cash flow and great one on one client interaction.

Your rippling though is not necessarily exclusive to 
large paper. A onesheet can demonstrate similar traits...and that can 
be a function of linenbacker cutting poster out of its original stretched 
rack while not 100% dry. If still slightly holding moisture and cut 
out early, as it dries, poster will undulate when laid flat due to cotton 
backing drying with no tension to its four sides. That is why whenever I 
am in receipt of poster freshly linen backed I lay in my flat-files with 4 large 
heavy Italian tiles wrapped in heavy plastic to protect from scratching surfaces 
and place all four two across and two down all but covering entire stack of one 
sheets for about a week. Occasional warping hasn't been an issue since 
coupled with reminders to linenbacking studio to not cut out a poster 
before its time. For French posters I lay in between to equally sized 
sheets of plexi-glass and weight down with heavy books. Overly cautious, 
maybe but it avoids problems down the line.


freeman fisher8601 west knoll drive #7west hollywood, 
ca90069
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Re: [MOPO] Framed Larger Posters - Warping Can Be An Aesthetic Bitch

2006-02-05 Thread Tom A. Pennock



Hi Freeman:

I really appreciate you going to all that work to give me super 
information as to what you did. I am definitely going to print this out and take 
it to my framer. Especially before she start's the French two panel. Thank you 
again Freeman. You are a true and wise friend.

Very Gratefully,

--Tom Pennock 
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