Re: [MOPO] LINEN BACKING VS PAPER BACKING
I'm with Freeman on this -- although some people report having paper-backed items that are not anywhere near as fragile as he describes, it still strikes me as being an after-effect of paper-backing which I'd rather avoid -- which is why I think the practice is fading away and being replaced by the linen-backing of inserts and half-sheets. I have several beautiful linen-backed half-sheets in my collection.I'm sure it is abit more difficult to get a good, lasting, bubble-free linen job on a half sheet, because they are thicker paper than one-sheets, but if done by a real skilled professional, the results of linen backing half sheets and inserts are great. Such half-sheets are not as flexible as linen-backed one-sheets, but they aren't bad. I have had them shipped to me from Australia and England rolled in4-inch tubes and they survived the trip quite well. I wouldn't discriminate against a niceolder poster that I wanted which was obviously paper-backed long ago when paper-backing was more prevalent, so long as it was a job well done. But I certainly wouldn't have anything other than a really fragile lobby cardpaper-backed these days, for the reasons stated. -- JR - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 18:21 Subject: [MOPO] LINEN BACKING VS PAPER BACKING JR, A fine article thanks.However you failed to address a significant practical stand point. Paper backing a half sheet, insert, or window cardindeed if done by a qualified studio or individual does indeed allow for the piece to be exhibited at its most optimum. However it is a rather fragile, acid-free hybrid you are left with. I am sure all of you have experienced that sick-in-your-stomach catastrophe when a paper backed piece literally cracks in your hands if handled brusquely or inadvertantly bending, dropping, framing orclosing a dooror hatch back on it. Literally its a fracture of the underlying cardboard supporting the layer of original paper being restored. This becomes quite an issue when having to ship a paper backed piece some distance. I have found it takes with respect to packing, no less than 6 sheets of cardboard to assure near gorilla- proof conditions for shipping. Conjointly, shipping expenses are higher due to dimensional weight over actual weight and now every shipper evaluates both costs and op for the higher price. Now chances are a linen backed half sheet or insert really can't be shipped rolled into a tube due to itsinflexibility in reducing to a 4 inch column. But the potential for damage is greatly reduced during shipping as linen can withstand a variety of stresses that is absolutely catastrophic if paper backed. Visualize what is required to ship a linen placemat versus a sheet of matzo the same sizeand you will understand my point.Many dealers have gone to the additional expense of precutting masonite to ship paper backed pieces. Trueposter will likely arrive intactbut due tothe significantweight of masonite as well asits price... costof shippingitem sky rockets by virtually triple. So who made the rules? Restoration studios? Possibly,because it is considerably more expensive topaper back a half sheet or insert than it is to linen back. But once framed I defy anyone to be able to tell the difference. Possibly its paper versus card stock, andpaper backing was deemed to be the avenue of restoration for cardstock. BUT IS THEIR ANY FACT BEHIND THOSE DECLARATIONS? I have seen and own numeroushalf sheets and inserts on linen and in my opinion there isn't enough perceived value of a paper backed item over the same piece on linen.Of course if Iowned a restoration studio I am sure I could come up with a list.But as a consumer and seller, in the all out pursuit of keeping expenses down, I would love to see a move to all linen all the timeonly when necessary. freeman fisher8601 west knoll #7west hollywood, CA90069 Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] LINEN BACKING VS PAPER BACKING
Hi from Joe Bonelli. A few months ago I showed some half sheets and inserts that had been restored and Linen-backed by Danny Steward (Poster Doctor) of Seattle. I can't imagine any better solution to the problems of those posters. Danny chose to linen-back and it certainly was the right way to go! Take care, Joe From: JRS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/05/31 Tue AM 02:05:31 EDT To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] LINEN BACKING VS PAPER BACKING I'm with Freeman on this -- although some people report having paper-backed items that are not anywhere near as fragile as he describes, it still strikes me as being an after-effect of paper-backing which I'd rather avoid -- which is why I think the practice is fading away and being replaced by the linen-backing of inserts and half-sheets. I have several beautiful linen-backed half-sheets in my collection. I'm sure it is a bit more difficult to get a good, lasting, bubble-free linen job on a half sheet, because they are thicker paper than one-sheets, but if done by a real skilled professional, the results of linen backing half sheets and inserts are great. Such half-sheets are not as flexible as linen-backed one-sheets, but they aren't bad. I have had them shipped to me from Australia and England rolled in 4-inch tubes and they survived the trip quite well. I wouldn't discriminate against a nice older poster that I wanted which was obviously paper-backed long ago when paper-backing was more prevalent, so long as it was a job well done. But I certainly wouldn't have anything other than a really fragile lobby card paper-backed these days, for the reasons stated. -- JR - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 18:21 Subject: [MOPO] LINEN BACKING VS PAPER BACKING JR, A fine article thanks. However you failed to address a significant practical stand point. Paper backing a half sheet, insert, or window card indeed if done by a qualified studio or individual does indeed allow for the piece to be exhibited at its most optimum. However it is a rather fragile, acid-free hybrid you are left with. I am sure all of you have experienced that sick-in-your-stomach catastrophe when a paper backed piece literally cracks in your hands if handled brusquely or inadvertantly bending, dropping, framing or closing a door or hatch back on it. Literally its a fracture of the underlying cardboard supporting the layer of original paper being restored. This becomes quite an issue when having to ship a paper backed piece some distance. I have found it takes with respect to packing, no less than 6 sheets of cardboard to assure near gorilla- proof conditions for shipping. Conjointly, shipping expenses are higher due to dimensional weight over! actual weight and now every shipper evaluates both costs and op for the higher price. Now chances are a linen backed half sheet or insert really can't be shipped rolled into a tube due to its inflexibility in reducing to a 4 inch column. But the potential for damage is greatly reduced during shipping as linen can withstand a variety of stresses that is absolutely catastrophic if paper backed. Visualize what is required to ship a linen placemat versus a sheet of matzo the same size and you will understand my point. Many dealers have gone to the additional expense of precutting masonite to ship paper backed pieces. True poster will likely arrive intact but due to the significant weight of masonite as well as its price... cost of shipping item sky rockets by virtually triple. So who made the rules? Restoration studios? Possibly, because it is considerably more expensive to paper back a half sheet or insert than it is to linen back. But once framed I defy anyone to be able to tell the difference. Possibly its paper versus card stock, and paper backing was deemed to be the avenue of restoration for cardstock. BUT IS THEIR ANY FACT BEHIND THOSE DECLARATIONS? I have seen and own numerous half sheets and inserts on linen and in my opinion there isn't enough perceived value of a paper backed item over the same piece on linen. Of course if I owned a restoration studio I am sure I could come up with a list. But as a consumer and seller, in the all out pursuit of keeping expenses down, I would love to see a move to all linen all the timeonly when necessary. freeman fisher 8601 west knoll #7 west hollywood, CA 90069 Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit
[MOPO] LINEN BACKING VS PAPER BACKING
JR, A fine article thanks.However you failed to address a significant practical stand point. Paper backing a half sheet, insert, or window cardindeed if done by a qualified studio or individual does indeed allow for the piece to be exhibited at its most optimum. However it is a rather fragile, acid-free hybrid you are left with. I am sure all of you have experienced that sick-in-your-stomach catastrophe when a paper backed piece literally cracks in your hands if handled brusquely or inadvertantly bending, dropping, framing orclosing a dooror hatch back on it. Literally its a fracture of the underlying cardboard supporting the layer of original paper being restored. This becomes quite an issue when having to ship a paper backed piece some distance. I have found it takes with respect to packing, no less than 6 sheets of cardboard to assure near gorilla- proof conditions for shipping. Conjointly, shipping expenses are higher due to dimensional weight over actual weight and now every shipper evaluates both costs and op for the higher price. Now chances are a linen backed half sheet or insert really can't be shipped rolled into a tube due to itsinflexibility in reducing to a 4 inch column. But the potential for damage is greatly reduced during shipping as linen can withstand a variety of stresses that is absolutely catastrophic if paper backed. Visualize what is required to ship a linen placemat versus a sheet of matzo the same sizeand you will understand my point.Many dealers have gone to the additional expense of precutting masonite to ship paper backed pieces. Trueposter will likely arrive intactbut due tothe significantweight of masonite as well asits price... costof shippingitem sky rockets by virtually triple. So who made the rules? Restoration studios? Possibly,because it is considerably more expensive topaper back a half sheet or insert than it is to linen back. But once framed I defy anyone to be able to tell the difference. Possibly its paper versus card stock, andpaper backing was deemed to be the avenue of restoration for cardstock. BUT IS THEIR ANY FACT BEHIND THOSE DECLARATIONS? I have seen and own numeroushalf sheets and inserts on linen and in my opinion there isn't enough perceived value of a paper backed item over the same piece on linen.Of course if Iowned a restoration studio I am sure I could come up with a list.But as a consumer and seller, in the all out pursuit of keeping expenses down, I would love to see a move to all linen all the timeonly when necessary. freeman fisher8601 west knoll #7west hollywood, CA90069 Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
