Re: [MOPO] Missing posters
Is the cat in the box alive or dead? On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 12:38 AM, Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art sa...@comic-art.com wrote: general consensus information gathered by numerous sources over many years. of course, it's impossible to know if there are horror posters in some safe deposit box (like about 10 years ago) whether a London After Midnight one sheet is hidden away in a file, or a bunch of Universal half sheets will be found as insulation in New Zealand. this is why people use the term known. if I say a midget window card for the Big Sleep is not known to exist it means nobody has ever seen one this is course different from saying this card does not exist At 04:23 PM 7/23/2015, Cary Joseph Black wrote: I looked at the AFI catalog of US films for the decades 1920 and 1930. The genre Western lists 1300 for the decade 1920 and 5604 for the decade 1930. It seems clear that no one would know how many posters exist for those films. I purposely picked a very common genre. Now suppose I collected Hoot Gibson posters. The AFI lists 76 films he appeared in those two decades. I might have a pretty good idea what posters have shown up but this is a pretty small portion of all the Westerns made. If the collector said I know of 55 posters of Hoot Gibson, I might be satisfied with that answer. But that doesn't answer the question how does the collector know? Where does the information come from ? The internet, other collectors, guesses etc. I am not trying to make things difficult. I am genuinely interested in this topic. I see posters listed saying the only one known. How do they know and what sources have they used to determine this? Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Missing posters
Hi Phillip I thought there might be at least some films where a US poster has never been seen and that MoPo members would know about those. It is certainly the case with Australian posters. An example is with Dracula 1931. To the best of my knowledge no Australian poster has ever been seen. Maybe US posters have surfaced for every film. Regards John From: Phillip Ayling [mailto:mro...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, 23 July 2015 6:04 PM To: 'JOHN REID Vintage Movie Memorabilia'; MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: RE: [MOPO] Missing posters John, Not to put too fine a point on it, but your query implied two different questions, at least to me. Regarding “…I wouldn’t be surprised if something had surfaced on just about every film post 1930’s…”; that is no doubt true. However, in some cases what has surfaced might be some lobby cards or a pressbook, but maybe not an insert, one sheet or anything larger. However, regarding: “…(I) wonder if there are any American posters that. have not been seen – not just for very obscure films but for reasonably well known movies.”; I think that is true also. We know that various early Universal horror images (especially 3 or 6 sheets) are unknown except for the BW images in pressbooks. As rare as some of them are, it appears that just about every one sheet has surfaced for 3 Stooges shorts and many Chaplain and Keaton short as well, yet there seem to be numerous Hal Roach/Laurel and Hardy shorts for which I have never seen any one-sheets. Also, except for pressbooks or lobby cards, some of the Universal Buck Jones films like Rocky Rhodes and his serials there are almost non-existent or only exist as re-release paper. I am sure there are also other or better examples than those that come to mind at first thought. From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of JOHN REID Vintage Movie Memorabilia Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 8:58 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: [MOPO] Missing posters There has been some discussion on VMPF on films where no Australian posters have ever turned up. The discussion is particularly focusing on 50s Sci Fi titles and some horror films. That made me wonder if there are any American posters that have not been seen – not just for very obscure films but for reasonably well known movies. There seems to be so much US material out there that I wouldn’t be surprised if something had surfaced on just about every film post 1930s but I wonder if any of the MoPo members know of any missing American posters. _ To unsubscribe from the MoPo-L list, click the following link: https://listserv.american.edu/scripts/wa-american.exe?SUBED1=MoPo-L https://listserv.american.edu/scripts/wa-american.exe?SUBED1=MoPo-LA=1 A=1 Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Missing posters
It is a great poster. Did you notice that it has the title “Brighton Rock” in brackets next to the main title “The Worst Sin”? From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Richard C Evans Sent: Friday, 24 July 2015 7:01 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Missing posters Oops, bit embarrassing. And sadly, title doesn't appear to be a snipe. Sent from my iPhone On 23 Jul 2015, at 21:09, JOHN REID Vintage Movie Memorabilia johnr...@moviemem.com wrote: Hi Richard It looks like that image of Worst Sin is for a British 3 sheet, not a daybill. The Attenborough collection looks interesting and I will be keen to see the entire list of items in the auction. Regards John From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Richard C Evans Sent: Friday, 24 July 2015 12:06 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Missing posters Mind if I steer back a bit to daybills John? Saw this news story recently about auction of some of Attenborough's collection, and his copy of a Brighton Rock daybill, with The Worst Sin title. At some point during release, Pathe pressed for a shorter cut and a change of the title. Believe there was a The Worst Sin pressbook, and know there's a quad out there with a snipe over original title. Don't recall seeing this daybill before, presumably very rare? And is that it for the daybill, just with that title? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3045046/Dickie-s-picture-Treasure-trove-movie-legend-Richard-Attenborough-including-Jurassic-Park-cane-clapperboard-Gandhi-Worst-Sin-film-poster-going-hammer.html Thanks, Richard Sent from my iPhone On 23 Jul 2015, at 04:57, JOHN REID Vintage Movie Memorabilia johnr...@moviemem.com wrote: There has been some discussion on VMPF on films where no Australian posters have ever turned up. The discussion is particularly focusing on 50s Sci Fi titles and some horror films. That made me wonder if there are any American posters that have not been seen – not just for very obscure films but for reasonably well known movies. There seems to be so much US material out there that I wouldn’t be surprised if something had surfaced on just about every film post 1930s but I wonder if any of the MoPo members know of any missing American posters. _ To unsubscribe from the MoPo-L list, click the following link: https://listserv.american.edu/scripts/wa-american.exe?SUBED1=MoPo-L https://listserv.american.edu/scripts/wa-american.exe?SUBED1=MoPo-LA=1 A=1 _ To unsubscribe from the MoPo-L list, click the following link: https://listserv.american.edu/scripts/wa-american.exe?SUBED1=MoPo-L https://listserv.american.edu/scripts/wa-american.exe?SUBED1=MoPo-LA=1 A=1 _ To unsubscribe from the MoPo-L list, click the following link: https://listserv.american.edu/scripts/wa-american.exe?SUBED1=MoPo-L https://listserv.american.edu/scripts/wa-american.exe?SUBED1=MoPo-LA=1 A=1 _ To unsubscribe from the MoPo-L list, click the following link: https://listserv.american.edu/scripts/wa-american.exe?SUBED1=MoPo-L https://listserv.american.edu/scripts/wa-american.exe?SUBED1=MoPo-LA=1 A=1 Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Missing posters
general consensus information gathered by numerous sources over many years. of course, it's impossible to know if there are horror posters in some safe deposit box (like about 10 years ago) whether a London After Midnight one sheet is hidden away in a file, or a bunch of Universal half sheets will be found as insulation in New Zealand. this is why people use the term known. if I say a midget window card for the Big Sleep is not known to exist it means nobody has ever seen one this is course different from saying this card does not exist At 04:23 PM 7/23/2015, Cary Joseph Black wrote: I looked at the AFI catalog of US films for the decades 1920 and 1930. The genre Western lists 1300 for the decade 1920 and 5604 for the decade 1930. It seems clear that no one would know how many posters exist for those films. I purposely picked a very common genre. Now suppose I collected Hoot Gibson posters. The AFI lists 76 films he appeared in those two decades. I might have a pretty good idea what posters have shown up but this is a pretty small portion of all the Westerns made. If the collector said I know of 55 posters of Hoot Gibson, I might be satisfied with that answer. But that doesn't answer the question how does the collector know? Where does the information come from ? The internet, other collectors, guesses etc. I am not trying to make things difficult. I am genuinely interested in this topic. I see posters listed saying the only one known. How do they know and what sources have they used to determine this? Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
[MOPO] Missing posters
What do you use to determine whether there is a poster is known on a particular title? I mean what source on the internet, what list, what resource enables one to determine definitively a poster exists for a film? Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
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Oops, bit embarrassing. And sadly, title doesn't appear to be a snipe. Sent from my iPhone On 23 Jul 2015, at 21:09, JOHN REID Vintage Movie Memorabilia johnr...@moviemem.com wrote: Hi Richard It looks like that image of Worst Sin is for a British 3 sheet, not a daybill. The Attenborough collection looks interesting and I will be keen to see the entire list of items in the auction. Regards John From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Richard C Evans Sent: Friday, 24 July 2015 12:06 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Missing posters Mind if I steer back a bit to daybills John? Saw this news story recently about auction of some of Attenborough's collection, and his copy of a Brighton Rock daybill, with The Worst Sin title. At some point during release, Pathe pressed for a shorter cut and a change of the title. Believe there was a The Worst Sin pressbook, and know there's a quad out there with a snipe over original title. Don't recall seeing this daybill before, presumably very rare? And is that it for the daybill, just with that title? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3045046/Dickie-s-picture-Treasure-trove-movie-legend-Richard-Attenborough-including-Jurassic-Park-cane-clapperboard-Gandhi-Worst-Sin-film-poster-going-hammer.html Thanks, Richard Sent from my iPhone On 23 Jul 2015, at 04:57, JOHN REID Vintage Movie Memorabilia johnr...@moviemem.com wrote: There has been some discussion on VMPF on films where no Australian posters have ever turned up. The discussion is particularly focusing on 50s Sci Fi titles and some horror films. That made me wonder if there are any American posters that have not been seen – not just for very obscure films but for reasonably well known movies. There seems to be so much US material out there that I wouldn’t be surprised if something had surfaced on just about every film post 1930s but I wonder if any of the MoPo members know of any missing American posters. To unsubscribe from the MoPo-L list, click the following link: https://listserv.american.edu/scripts/wa-american.exe?SUBED1=MoPo-LA=1 To unsubscribe from the MoPo-L list, click the following link: https://listserv.american.edu/scripts/wa-american.exe?SUBED1=MoPo-LA=1 To unsubscribe from the MoPo-L list, click the following link: https://listserv.american.edu/scripts/wa-american.exe?SUBED1=MoPo-LA=1 Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
[MOPO] Missing posters
I looked at the AFI catalog of US films for the decades 1920 and 1930. The genre Western lists 1300 for the decade 1920 and 5604 for the decade 1930. It seems clear that no one would know how many posters exist for those films. I purposely picked a very common genre. Now suppose I collected Hoot Gibson posters. The AFI lists 76 films he appeared in those two decades. I might have a pretty good idea what posters have shown up but this is a pretty small portion of all the Westerns made. If the collector said I know of 55 posters of Hoot Gibson, I might be satisfied with that answer. But that doesn't answer the question how does the collector know? Where does the information come from ? The internet, other collectors, guesses etc. I am not trying to make things difficult. I am genuinely interested in this topic. I see posters listed saying the only one known. How do they know and what sources have they used to determine this? Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Missing posters
There is no definitve list but, as an example, I am pretty much aware of US posters that have turned up for Hitchcock films. I'm sure that genre specific collectors have a very good idea of what has or has not turned up in their field of interest. That's why I thought people on MoPo might have some thoughts on this. -Original Message- From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Cary Joseph Black Sent: Friday, 24 July 2015 7:23 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: [MOPO] Missing posters What do you use to determine whether there is a poster is known on a particular title? I mean what source on the internet, what list, what resource enables one to determine definitively a poster exists for a film? Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
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Yep, they similarly had that on the quad snipe. What’s the chance that concealed behind that price ticket graphic (could only find that Daily Mail image), Pinkie is clutching his cut-throat razor. I doubt it. Isn’t it on the British paper for Spellbound that Peck dropped the razor? Re-title paper seems rarer, but that said, a lot of what appears for original title is the Uk 1-sht, which perhaps luck preserved in reasonable numbers. On 23 Jul 2015, at 22:33, JOHN REID Vintage Movie Memorabilia johnr...@moviemem.com wrote: It is a great poster. Did you notice that it has the title “Brighton Rock” in brackets next to the main title “The Worst Sin”? From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Richard C Evans Sent: Friday, 24 July 2015 7:01 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Missing posters Oops, bit embarrassing. And sadly, title doesn't appear to be a snipe. Sent from my iPhone On 23 Jul 2015, at 21:09, JOHN REID Vintage Movie Memorabilia johnr...@moviemem.com mailto:johnr...@moviemem.com wrote: Hi Richard It looks like that image of Worst Sin is for a British 3 sheet, not a daybill. The Attenborough collection looks interesting and I will be keen to see the entire list of items in the auction. Regards John From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Richard C Evans Sent: Friday, 24 July 2015 12:06 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Missing posters Mind if I steer back a bit to daybills John? Saw this news story recently about auction of some of Attenborough's collection, and his copy of a Brighton Rock daybill, with The Worst Sin title. At some point during release, Pathe pressed for a shorter cut and a change of the title. Believe there was a The Worst Sin pressbook, and know there's a quad out there with a snipe over original title. Don't recall seeing this daybill before, presumably very rare? And is that it for the daybill, just with that title? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3045046/Dickie-s-picture-Treasure-trove-movie-legend-Richard-Attenborough-including-Jurassic-Park-cane-clapperboard-Gandhi-Worst-Sin-film-poster-going-hammer.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3045046/Dickie-s-picture-Treasure-trove-movie-legend-Richard-Attenborough-including-Jurassic-Park-cane-clapperboard-Gandhi-Worst-Sin-film-poster-going-hammer.html Thanks, Richard Sent from my iPhone On 23 Jul 2015, at 04:57, JOHN REID Vintage Movie Memorabilia johnr...@moviemem.com mailto:johnr...@moviemem.com wrote: There has been some discussion on VMPF on films where no Australian posters have ever turned up. The discussion is particularly focusing on 50s Sci Fi titles and some horror films. That made me wonder if there are any American posters that have not been seen – not just for very obscure films but for reasonably well known movies. There seems to be so much US material out there that I wouldn’t be surprised if something had surfaced on just about every film post 1930s but I wonder if any of the MoPo members know of any missing American posters. To unsubscribe from the MoPo-L list, click the following link: https://listserv.american.edu/scripts/wa-american.exe?SUBED1=MoPo-LA=1 https://listserv.american.edu/scripts/wa-american.exe?SUBED1=MoPo-LA=1 To unsubscribe from the MoPo-L list, click the following link: https://listserv.american.edu/scripts/wa-american.exe?SUBED1=MoPo-LA=1 https://listserv.american.edu/scripts/wa-american.exe?SUBED1=MoPo-LA=1 To unsubscribe from the MoPo-L list, click the following link: https://listserv.american.edu/scripts/wa-american.exe?SUBED1=MoPo-LA=1 https://listserv.american.edu/scripts/wa-american.exe?SUBED1=MoPo-LA=1 To unsubscribe from the MoPo-L list, click the following link: https://listserv.american.edu/scripts/wa-american.exe?SUBED1=MoPo-LA=1 https://listserv.american.edu/scripts/wa-american.exe?SUBED1=MoPo-LA=1 Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Missing posters
I would echo all that John has said. It is hard to prove that something doesn't exist. While you can often find poster images on IMDb or the Internet Movie Poster Database or elsewhere, it doesn't necessarily mean that the poster itself still exists. Just as numerous films are presumed lost, so it is with posters. Once in while a copy of a lost film surfaces and surely there are some lost posters out there too. Some may be in the bottom of Grandpa's old steamer trunks, insulation in a wall, or backings of frames. Every now and again a poster thought lost may show up. Maybe there are even a few in collections that have never been photographed or inventoried. For example, I have an interest in serials. During the 40's , The Shadow, The Green Archer, The Phantom and The Monster and the Ape were extremely popular. Original release one-sheets are almost non-existent for those films. But as rare as those one-sheets are, they are absolutely plentiful when compared to any original three sheets or six-sheets for those same films. They were made, but I can't recall ever seeing them other than in a pressbook or sometimes as a later re-release poster. -Original Message- From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of JOHN REID Vintage Movie Memorabilia Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 3:21 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Missing posters There is no definitve list but, as an example, I am pretty much aware of US posters that have turned up for Hitchcock films. I'm sure that genre specific collectors have a very good idea of what has or has not turned up in their field of interest. That's why I thought people on MoPo might have some thoughts on this. -Original Message- From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Cary Joseph Black Sent: Friday, 24 July 2015 7:23 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: [MOPO] Missing posters What do you use to determine whether there is a poster is known on a particular title? I mean what source on the internet, what list, what resource enables one to determine definitively a poster exists for a film? Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Missing posters
Hi Richard It looks like that image of Worst Sin is for a British 3 sheet, not a daybill. The Attenborough collection looks interesting and I will be keen to see the entire list of items in the auction. Regards John From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Richard C Evans Sent: Friday, 24 July 2015 12:06 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Missing posters Mind if I steer back a bit to daybills John? Saw this news story recently about auction of some of Attenborough's collection, and his copy of a Brighton Rock daybill, with The Worst Sin title. At some point during release, Pathe pressed for a shorter cut and a change of the title. Believe there was a The Worst Sin pressbook, and know there's a quad out there with a snipe over original title. Don't recall seeing this daybill before, presumably very rare? And is that it for the daybill, just with that title? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3045046/Dickie-s-picture-Treasure-trove-movie-legend-Richard-Attenborough-including-Jurassic-Park-cane-clapperboard-Gandhi-Worst-Sin-film-poster-going-hammer.html Thanks, Richard Sent from my iPhone On 23 Jul 2015, at 04:57, JOHN REID Vintage Movie Memorabilia johnr...@moviemem.com wrote: There has been some discussion on VMPF on films where no Australian posters have ever turned up. The discussion is particularly focusing on 50s Sci Fi titles and some horror films. That made me wonder if there are any American posters that have not been seen – not just for very obscure films but for reasonably well known movies. There seems to be so much US material out there that I wouldn’t be surprised if something had surfaced on just about every film post 1930s but I wonder if any of the MoPo members know of any missing American posters. _ To unsubscribe from the MoPo-L list, click the following link: https://listserv.american.edu/scripts/wa-american.exe?SUBED1=MoPo-L https://listserv.american.edu/scripts/wa-american.exe?SUBED1=MoPo-LA=1 A=1 _ To unsubscribe from the MoPo-L list, click the following link: https://listserv.american.edu/scripts/wa-american.exe?SUBED1=MoPo-L https://listserv.american.edu/scripts/wa-american.exe?SUBED1=MoPo-LA=1 A=1 Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Missing posters
Mind if I steer back a bit to daybills John? Saw this news story recently about auction of some of Attenborough's collection, and his copy of a Brighton Rock daybill, with The Worst Sin title. At some point during release, Pathe pressed for a shorter cut and a change of the title. Believe there was a The Worst Sin pressbook, and know there's a quad out there with a snipe over original title. Don't recall seeing this daybill before, presumably very rare? And is that it for the daybill, just with that title? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3045046/Dickie-s-picture-Treasure-trove-movie-legend-Richard-Attenborough-including-Jurassic-Park-cane-clapperboard-Gandhi-Worst-Sin-film-poster-going-hammer.html Thanks, Richard Sent from my iPhone On 23 Jul 2015, at 04:57, JOHN REID Vintage Movie Memorabilia johnr...@moviemem.com wrote: There has been some discussion on VMPF on films where no Australian posters have ever turned up. The discussion is particularly focusing on 50s Sci Fi titles and some horror films. That made me wonder if there are any American posters that have not been seen – not just for very obscure films but for reasonably well known movies. There seems to be so much US material out there that I wouldn’t be surprised if something had surfaced on just about every film post 1930s but I wonder if any of the MoPo members know of any missing American posters. To unsubscribe from the MoPo-L list, click the following link: https://listserv.american.edu/scripts/wa-american.exe?SUBED1=MoPo-LA=1 Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
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John, Not to put too fine a point on it, but your query implied two different questions, at least to me. Regarding “…I wouldn’t be surprised if something had surfaced on just about every film post 1930’s…”; that is no doubt true. However, in some cases what has surfaced might be some lobby cards or a pressbook, but maybe not an insert, one sheet or anything larger. However, regarding: “…(I) wonder if there are any American posters that. have not been seen – not just for very obscure films but for reasonably well known movies.”; I think that is true also. We know that various early Universal horror images (especially 3 or 6 sheets) are unknown except for the BW images in pressbooks. As rare as some of them are, it appears that just about every one sheet has surfaced for 3 Stooges shorts and many Chaplain and Keaton short as well, yet there seem to be numerous Hal Roach/Laurel and Hardy shorts for which I have never seen any one-sheets. Also, except for pressbooks or lobby cards, some of the Universal Buck Jones films like Rocky Rhodes and his serials there are almost non-existent or only exist as re-release paper. I am sure there are also other or better examples than those that come to mind at first thought. From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of JOHN REID Vintage Movie Memorabilia Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 8:58 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: [MOPO] Missing posters There has been some discussion on VMPF on films where no Australian posters have ever turned up. The discussion is particularly focusing on 50s Sci Fi titles and some horror films. That made me wonder if there are any American posters that have not been seen – not just for very obscure films but for reasonably well known movies. There seems to be so much US material out there that I wouldn’t be surprised if something had surfaced on just about every film post 1930s but I wonder if any of the MoPo members know of any missing American posters. _ To unsubscribe from the MoPo-L list, click the following link: https://listserv.american.edu/scripts/wa-american.exe?SUBED1=MoPo-L https://listserv.american.edu/scripts/wa-american.exe?SUBED1=MoPo-LA=1 A=1 Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
[MOPO] Missing posters
There has been some discussion on VMPF on films where no Australian posters have ever turned up. The discussion is particularly focusing on 50s Sci Fi titles and some horror films. That made me wonder if there are any American posters that have not been seen – not just for very obscure films but for reasonably well known movies. There seems to be so much US material out there that I wouldn’t be surprised if something had surfaced on just about every film post 1930s but I wonder if any of the MoPo members know of any missing American posters. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
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I am glad to see Robert Rogovin and James Greshin found their missing posters. I wish I could say the same. After posting here (March 31 Apr 3, 2012) that Charlie Lippincott and I were missing posters from Heritage, Grey offered to handle our auctions without a commission. No longer thrilled with our relationship with Heritage, we refused. Next, Grey Smith offered to donate their estimated value to charity -- which we also refused. Grey then sent back a batch of posters. Upon receipt, I emailed asking if these posters returned were all the posters held by Heritge. No reply. On May 7 our attorney sent Grey Smith and Heritage a letter requesting the names of the bonded staff member who had received our poster shipments and the names of both staff members who double checked the inventory. I repeated my emails to Grey requesting to know whether he had shipped back everything we had sent to heritage. No reply. Finally, on May 8, I sent an email with the heading 5TH REQUEST. Grey Smith replied the next day, but did not affirm the return represented ALL our inventory. It took two more emails before he said everything had been returned. As of May 18, Grey Smith claims they have not received a letter from our attorney. From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Missing posters Over the years a ton of people have contacted us that one or more items were missing from their package (so many that we have a stock reply telling them to carefully check EVERYTHING again). Time after time people contact us all embarrassed to say they found it. I can only recall a couple of times over a 20 year period where people were adamant the missing items weren't there, and I refunded them. 99.9% of poster collectors are among the most honest people on earth. That ,1%... well...! Bruce Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
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Posters were Robert's, not mine. This had nothing to do with me. Jim On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 12:09 AM, Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.comwrote: I am glad to see Robert Rogovin and James Greshin found their missing posters. I wish I could say the same. After posting here (March 31 Apr 3, 2012) that Charlie Lippincott and I were missing posters from Heritage, Grey offered to handle our auctions without a commission. No longer thrilled with our relationship with Heritage, we refused. Next, Grey Smith offered to donate their estimated value to charity -- which we also refused. Grey then sent back a batch of posters. Upon receipt, I emailed asking if these posters returned were all the posters held by Heritge. No reply. On May 7 our attorney sent Grey Smith and Heritage a letter requesting the names of the bonded staff member who had received our poster shipments and the names of both staff members who double checked the inventory. I repeated my emails to Grey requesting to know whether he had shipped back everything we had sent to heritage. No reply. Finally, on May 8, I sent an email with the heading 5TH REQUEST. Grey Smith replied the next day, but did not affirm the return represented ALL our inventory. It took two more emails before he said everything had been returned. As of May 18, Grey Smith claims they have not received a letter from our attorney. -- *From:* Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com *To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU *Sent:* Tuesday, May 22, 2012 7:27 PM *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] Missing posters Over the years a ton of people have contacted us that one or more items were missing from their package (so many that we have a stock reply telling them to carefully check *EVERYTHING *again). Time after time people contact us all embarrassed to say they found it. I can only recall a couple of times over a 20 year period where people were adamant the missing items weren't there, and I refunded them. 99.9% of poster collectors are among the most honest people on earth. That ,1%... well...! Bruce Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. -- Jim Gresham 18501 Henry Ct Ray Mi 48096 586 677-7669 www.greshamsinc.com www.childrenofthenightbook.com www.theyreherealreadybook.com Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
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Geraldine, since you're already employing an attorney, why don't you let him handle the conversation regarding this matter? As far as I'm concerned, this is between you and Heritage (or between your attorney and Heritage at this point) and I do not need any more of this on Mopo. Helmut Hamm http://www.filmposter.net On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 12:09 AM, Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com wrote: I am glad to see Robert Rogovin and James Greshin found their missing posters. I wish I could say the same. After posting here (March 31 Apr 3, 2012) that Charlie Lippincott and I were missing posters from Heritage, Grey offered to handle our auctions without a commission. No longer thrilled with our relationship with Heritage, we refused. Next, Grey Smith offered to donate their estimated value to charity -- which we also refused. Grey then sent back a batch of posters. Upon receipt, I emailed asking if these posters returned were all the posters held by Heritge. No reply. On May 7 our attorney sent Grey Smith and Heritage a letter requesting the names of the bonded staff member who had received our poster shipments and the names of both staff members who double checked the inventory. I repeated my emails to Grey requesting to know whether he had shipped back everything we had sent to heritage. No reply. Finally, on May 8, I sent an email with the heading 5TH REQUEST. Grey Smith replied the next day, but did not affirm the return represented ALL our inventory. It took two more emails before he said everything had been returned. As of May 18, Grey Smith claims they have not received a letter from our attorney. From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Missing posters Over the years a ton of people have contacted us that one or more items were missing from their package (so many that we have a stock reply telling them to carefully check EVERYTHING again). Time after time people contact us all embarrassed to say they found it. I can only recall a couple of times over a 20 year period where people were adamant the missing items weren't there, and I refunded them. 99.9% of poster collectors are among the most honest people on earth. That ,1%... well...! Bruce Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. -- Jim Gresham 18501 Henry Ct Ray Mi 48096 586 677-7669 www.greshamsinc.com www.childrenofthenightbook.com www.theyreherealreadybook.com Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
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Helmut, I agree completely. I am sure there are two sides to every story and we dont need to hear additional details. Besides, I am way more apt to trust Grey. No way they are going to keep someones posters. No offense to you Geraldine, but Heritage is not keeping your posters. On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Helmut Hamm texasmu...@web.de wrote: Geraldine, since you're already employing an attorney, why don't you let him handle the conversation regarding this matter? As far as I'm concerned, this is between you and Heritage (or between your attorney and Heritage at this point) and I do not need any more of this on Mopo. Helmut Hamm http://www.filmposter.net On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 12:09 AM, Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com wrote: I am glad to see Robert Rogovin and James Greshin found their missing posters. I wish I could say the same. After posting here (March 31 Apr 3, 2012) that Charlie Lippincott and I were missing posters from Heritage, Grey offered to handle our auctions without a commission. No longer thrilled with our relationship with Heritage, we refused. Next, Grey Smith offered to donate their estimated value to charity -- which we also refused. Grey then sent back a batch of posters. Upon receipt, I emailed asking if these posters returned were all the posters held by Heritge. No reply. On May 7 our attorney sent Grey Smith and Heritage a letter requesting the names of the bonded staff member who had received our poster shipments and the names of both staff members who double checked the inventory. I repeated my emails to Grey requesting to know whether he had shipped back everything we had sent to heritage. No reply. Finally, on May 8, I sent an email with the heading 5TH REQUEST. Grey Smith replied the next day, but did not affirm the return represented ALL our inventory. It took two more emails before he said everything had been returned. As of May 18, Grey Smith claims they have not received a letter from our attorney. -- *From:* Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com *To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU *Sent:* Tuesday, May 22, 2012 7:27 PM *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] Missing posters Over the years a ton of people have contacted us that one or more items were missing from their package (so many that we have a stock reply telling them to carefully check *EVERYTHING *again). Time after time people contact us all embarrassed to say they found it. I can only recall a couple of times over a 20 year period where people were adamant the missing items weren't there, and I refunded them. 99.9% of poster collectors are among the most honest people on earth. That ,1%... well...! Bruce Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. -- Jim Gresham 18501 Henry Ct Ray Mi 48096 586 677-7669 www.greshamsinc.com www.childrenofthenightbook.com www.theyreherealreadybook.com Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. -- Jim Gresham 18501 Henry Ct Ray Mi 48096 586 677-7669 www.greshamsinc.com www.childrenofthenightbook.com www.theyreherealreadybook.com Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
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Howdy y'all, Over the years, I have had several transactions with Heritage / Grey (buying and consigning), and should the opportunity present, I will continue to do business in the future. I would also recommend Heritage / Grey to anyone without reservation. I have not had any business with Geraldine Kudaka. Since Helmut Hamm publicly stated a request to MOPO, rather than a private request, I submit to all members of MOPO that one should not be diminished for stating a topic that may be relevant to the poster community. Granted ... airing out what some may describe as dirty laundry ... there may be a more appropriate method / venue to resolving issues. BTW .. should a member disagree ... simply activate your delete key. ad From: Helmut Hamm texasmu...@web.de To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Missing posters Geraldine, since you're already employing an attorney, why don't you let him handle the conversation regarding this matter? As far as I'm concerned, this is between you and Heritage (or between your attorney and Heritage at this point) and I do not need any more of this on Mopo. Helmut Hamm http://www.filmposter.net On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 12:09 AM, Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com wrote: I am glad to see Robert Rogovin and James Greshin found their missing posters. I wish I could say the same. After posting here (March 31 Apr 3, 2012) that Charlie Lippincott and I were missing posters from Heritage, Grey offered to handle our auctions without a commission. No longer thrilled with our relationship with Heritage, we refused. Next, Grey Smith offered to donate their estimated value to charity -- which we also refused. Grey then sent back a batch of posters. Upon receipt, I emailed asking if these posters returned were all the posters held by Heritge. No reply. On May 7 our attorney sent Grey Smith and Heritage a letter requesting the names of the bonded staff member who had received our poster shipments and the names of both staff members who double checked the inventory. I repeated my emails to Grey requesting to know whether he had shipped back everything we had sent to heritage. No reply. Finally, on May 8, I sent an email with the heading 5TH REQUEST. Grey Smith replied the next day, but did not affirm the return represented ALL our inventory. It took two more emails before he said everything had been returned. As of May 18, Grey Smith claims they have not received a letter from our attorney. From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Missing posters Over the years a ton of people have contacted us that one or more items were missing from their package (so many that we have a stock reply telling them to carefully check EVERYTHING again). Time after time people contact us all embarrassed to say they found it. I can only recall a couple of times over a 20 year period where people were adamant the missing items weren't there, and I refunded them. 99.9% of poster collectors are among the most honest people on earth. That ,1%... well...! Bruce Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. -- Jim Gresham 18501 Henry Ct Ray Mi 48096 586 677-7669 www.greshamsinc.com www.childrenofthenightbook.com www.theyreherealreadybook.com Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
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Agreed. Inappropriate.. Peter From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of James Gresham Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:58 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Missing posters Helmut, I agree completely. I am sure there are two sides to every story and we dont need to hear additional details. Besides, I am way more apt to trust Grey. No way they are going to keep someones posters. No offense to you Geraldine, but Heritage is not keeping your posters. On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Helmut Hamm texasmu...@web.de wrote: Geraldine, since you're already employing an attorney, why don't you let him handle the conversation regarding this matter? As far as I'm concerned, this is between you and Heritage (or between your attorney and Heritage at this point) and I do not need any more of this on Mopo. Helmut Hamm http://www.filmposter.net On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 12:09 AM, Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com wrote: I am glad to see Robert Rogovin and James Greshin found their missing posters. I wish I could say the same. After posting here (March 31 Apr 3, 2012) that Charlie Lippincott and I were missing posters from Heritage, Grey offered to handle our auctions without a commission. No longer thrilled with our relationship with Heritage, we refused. Next, Grey Smith offered to donate their estimated value to charity -- which we also refused. Grey then sent back a batch of posters. Upon receipt, I emailed asking if these posters returned were all the posters held by Heritge. No reply. On May 7 our attorney sent Grey Smith and Heritage a letter requesting the names of the bonded staff member who had received our poster shipments and the names of both staff members who double checked the inventory. I repeated my emails to Grey requesting to know whether he had shipped back everything we had sent to heritage. No reply. Finally, on May 8, I sent an email with the heading 5TH REQUEST. Grey Smith replied the next day, but did not affirm the return represented ALL our inventory. It took two more emails before he said everything had been returned. As of May 18, Grey Smith claims they have not received a letter from our attorney. _ From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Missing posters Over the years a ton of people have contacted us that one or more items were missing from their package (so many that we have a stock reply telling them to carefully check EVERYTHING again). Time after time people contact us all embarrassed to say they found it. I can only recall a couple of times over a 20 year period where people were adamant the missing items weren't there, and I refunded them. 99.9% of poster collectors are among the most honest people on earth. That ,1%... well...! Bruce Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com http://www.filmfan.com/ ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. -- Jim Gresham 18501 Henry Ct Ray Mi 48096 586 677-7669 tel:586%20677-7669 www.greshamsinc.com http://www.greshamsinc.com/ www.childrenofthenightbook.com http://www.childrenofthenightbook.com/ www.theyreherealreadybook.com http://www.theyreherealreadybook.com/ Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. -- Jim Gresham 18501 Henry Ct Ray Mi 48096 586 677-7669 www.greshamsinc.com www.childrenofthenightbook.com www.theyreherealreadybook.com Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List
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You're all crooks! From: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Missing posters I am glad to see Robert Rogovin and James Greshin found their missing posters. I wish I could say the same. After posting here (March 31 Apr 3, 2012) that Charlie Lippincott and I were missing posters from Heritage, Grey offered to handle our auctions without a commission. No longer thrilled with our relationship with Heritage, we refused. Next, Grey Smith offered to donate their estimated value to charity -- which we also refused. Grey then sent back a batch of posters. Upon receipt, I emailed asking if these posters returned were all the posters held by Heritge. No reply. On May 7 our attorney sent Grey Smith and Heritage a letter requesting the names of the bonded staff member who had received our poster shipments and the names of both staff members who double checked the inventory. I repeated my emails to Grey requesting to know whether he had shipped back everything we had sent to heritage. No reply. Finally, on May 8, I sent an email with the heading 5TH REQUEST. Grey Smith replied the next day, but did not affirm the return represented ALL our inventory. It took two more emails before he said everything had been returned. As of May 18, Grey Smith claims they have not received a letter from our attorney. From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Missing posters Over the years a ton of people have contacted us that one or more items were missing from their package (so many that we have a stock reply telling them to carefully check EVERYTHING again). Time after time people contact us all embarrassed to say they found it. I can only recall a couple of times over a 20 year period where people were adamant the missing items weren't there, and I refunded them. 99.9% of poster collectors are among the most honest people on earth. That ,1%... well...! Bruce Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
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Helmut: I don't know any more of the details in Geraldine's matter than has been brought up here but no one seemed to complain about all of the details (and dumping on) of various people you guys collectively disliked -- I'm terrible with names but one was the guy from the auction house and the other was a restorer who didn't and who didn't return people's posters. Not to mention the numerous eBay sellers and buyers not on this list whose practices are perceived as less than pristine. But because Geraldine's issue involves Grey and Heritage -- home town boys -- suddenly we don't talk about such things here. I don't know who is right and who's wrong, and, truthfully, I think when matters reach the legal stage they are best left private. But that's up to Geraldine. And Grey. But let's not pretend that this list doesn't talk about this kind of dispute. Perhaps it shouldn't but it does. Craig. At 06:24 AM 5/23/2012, Helmut Hamm wrote: Geraldine, since you're already employing an attorney, why don't you let him handle the conversation regarding this matter? As far as I'm concerned, this is between you and Heritage (or between your attorney and Heritage at this point) and I do not need any more of this on Mopo. Helmut Hamm http://www.filmposter.nethttp://www.filmposter.net On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 12:09 AM, Geraldine Kudaka mailto:gkud...@rocketmail.comgkud...@rocketmail.com wrote: I am glad to see Robert Rogovin and James Greshin found their missing posters. I wish I could say the same. After posting here (March 31 Apr 3, 2012) that Charlie Lippincott and I were missing posters from Heritage, Grey offered to handle our auctions without a commission. No longer thrilled with our relationship with Heritage, we refused. Next, Grey Smith offered to donate their estimated value to charity -- which we also refused. Grey then sent back a batch of posters. Upon receipt, I emailed asking if these posters returned were all the posters held by Heritge. No reply. On May 7 our attorney sent Grey Smith and Heritage a letter requesting the names of the bonded staff member who had received our poster shipments and the names of both staff members who double checked the inventory. I repeated my emails to Grey requesting to know whether he had shipped back everything we had sent to heritage. No reply. Finally, on May 8, I sent an email with the heading 5TH REQUEST. Grey Smith replied the next day, but did not affirm the return represented ALL our inventory. It took two more emails before he said everything had been returned. As of May 18, Grey Smith claims they have not received a letter from our attorney. From: Bruce Hershenson mailto:brucehershen...@gmail.combrucehershen...@gmail.com To: mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDUMoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Missing posters Over the years a ton of people have contacted us that one or more items were missing from their package (so many that we have a stock reply telling them to carefully check EVERYTHING again). Time after time people contact us all embarrassed to say they found it. I can only recall a couple of times over a 20 year period where people were adamant the missing items weren't there, and I refunded them. 99.9% of poster collectors are among the most honest people on earth. That ,1%... well...! Bruce Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at http://www.filmfan.com/www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: mailto:lists...@listserv.american.edulists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. -- Jim Gresham 18501 Henry Ct Ray Mi 48096 586 677-7669 http://www.greshamsinc.com/www.greshamsinc.com www.childrenofthenightbook.com http://www.theyreherealreadybook.com/www.theyreherealreadybook.com Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at http://www.filmfan.comwww.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: mailto:lists...@listserv.american.edulists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. ~ Craig MillerWolfmill Entertainment cr...@wolfmill.com ~ Visit the MoPo Mailing List
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Craig, this is like the scene in High Noon where Gary Cooper goes to the saloon on Sunday and asks for deputies, and of course no one volunteers. and one of the boys says You have a lot of nerve coming in here, Marshall. Frank Miller has a lot of friends here. Likewise, Geraldine also has a lot of nerve. This *MUST *not be tolerated. Bruce On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Craig Miller cr...@wolfmill.com wrote: Helmut: I don't know any more of the details in Geraldine's matter than has been brought up here but no one seemed to complain about all of the details (and dumping on) of various people you guys collectively disliked -- I'm terrible with names but one was the guy from the auction house and the other was a restorer who didn't and who didn't return people's posters. Not to mention the numerous eBay sellers and buyers not on this list whose practices are perceived as less than pristine. But because Geraldine's issue involves Grey and Heritage -- home town boys -- suddenly we don't talk about such things here. I don't know who is right and who's wrong, and, truthfully, I think when matters reach the legal stage they are best left private. But that's up to Geraldine. And Grey. But let's not pretend that this list doesn't talk about this kind of dispute. Perhaps it shouldn't but it does. Craig. At 06:24 AM 5/23/2012, Helmut Hamm wrote: Geraldine, since you're already employing an attorney, why don't you let him handle the conversation regarding this matter? As far as I'm concerned, this is between you and Heritage (or between your attorney and Heritage at this point) and I do not need any more of this on Mopo. Helmut Hamm http://www.filmposter.net On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 12:09 AM, Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com wrote: I am glad to see Robert Rogovin and James Greshin found their missing posters. I wish I could say the same. After posting here (March 31 Apr 3, 2012) that Charlie Lippincott and I were missing posters from Heritage, Grey offered to handle our auctions without a commission. No longer thrilled with our relationship with Heritage, we refused. Next, Grey Smith offered to donate their estimated value to charity -- which we also refused. Grey then sent back a batch of posters. Upon receipt, I emailed asking if these posters returned were all the posters held by Heritge. No reply. On May 7 our attorney sent Grey Smith and Heritage a letter requesting the names of the bonded staff member who had received our poster shipments and the names of both staff members who double checked the inventory. I repeated my emails to Grey requesting to know whether he had shipped back everything we had sent to heritage. No reply. Finally, on May 8, I sent an email with the heading 5TH REQUEST. Grey Smith replied the next day, but did not affirm the return represented ALL our inventory. It took two more emails before he said everything had been returned. As of May 18, Grey Smith claims they have not received a letter from our attorney. From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Missing posters Over the years a ton of people have contacted us that one or more items were missing from their package (so many that we have a stock reply telling them to carefully check EVERYTHING again). Time after time people contact us all embarrassed to say they found it. I can only recall a couple of times over a 20 year period where people were adamant the missing items weren't there, and I refunded them. 99.9% of poster collectors are among the most honest people on earth. That ,1%... well...! Bruce Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. -- Jim Gresham 18501 Henry Ct Ray Mi 48096 586 677-7669 www.greshamsinc.com www.childrenofthenightbook.com www.theyreherealreadybook.com Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content
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Now Neil, I had to laugh at this... Personally, I think it's a healthy attitude to have and wish I'd had more of that attitude when we started liquidating the collection. But it's not good for a hobby to be viewed that way. Not for a hobby to grow. From: Neil Maciejewski neilmaciejew...@yahoo.com To: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com; MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Missing posters You're all crooks! From: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Missing posters I am glad to see Robert Rogovin and James Greshin found their missing posters. I wish I could say the same. After posting here (March 31 Apr 3, 2012) that Charlie Lippincott and I were missing posters from Heritage, Grey offered to handle our auctions without a commission. No longer thrilled with our relationship with Heritage, we refused. Next, Grey Smith offered to donate their estimated value to charity -- which we also refused. Grey then sent back a batch of posters. Upon receipt, I emailed asking if these posters returned were all the posters held by Heritge. No reply. On May 7 our attorney sent Grey Smith and Heritage a letter requesting the names of the bonded staff member who had received our poster shipments and the names of both staff members who double checked the inventory. I repeated my emails to Grey requesting to know whether he had shipped back everything we had sent to heritage. No reply. Finally, on May 8, I sent an email with the heading 5TH REQUEST. Grey Smith replied the next day, but did not affirm the return represented ALL our inventory. It took two more emails before he said everything had been returned. As of May 18, Grey Smith claims they have not received a letter from our attorney. From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Missing posters Over the years a ton of people have contacted us that one or more items were missing from their package (so many that we have a stock reply telling them to carefully check EVERYTHING again). Time after time people contact us all embarrassed to say they found it. I can only recall a couple of times over a 20 year period where people were adamant the missing items weren't there, and I refunded them. 99.9% of poster collectors are among the most honest people on earth. That ,1%... well...! Bruce Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
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You may not need to read emails about someone you view as a colleague, whom you like... but there are other people in the hobby and other people who have been enamored of movies but haven't had enough money to get into the hobby who do need to hear it. I say this for a very specific reason -- you probably have a relationship with Heritage and Grey because they are -- let's face it -- so large. You've probably bought and sold posters from him. You may feel that though you may have had differences, over the years, you've worked them out and have developed a professional respect for one another. You know that you can contact Grey and X, Y or Z will happen because there is professional respect -- or at least, a professional relationship. (I'm giving everyone the benefit of the doubt and assume Grey respects you, but let's face it -- in business, there are some you respect and others you tolerate). Still, because you are in the business and not a newbie or a fly-by-night, Grey and Heritage have responded to you in a professional manner. This was not true in my case. Our posters were not properly inventoried, and I can prove it. I can and will prove it. I mean -- I couldn't even get an email reply saying this was all the posters we had of yours. After our posters went missing, I started looking into complaints against Heritage. Given the sales numbers that Heritage does, the complaints admittedly are small in numbers. What I noticed was that the majority seemed to be from the weak -- seniors like ourselves, or, in another case, a guy with Parkinson's. The complaints weren't from their professional colleagues but average Joes who felt taken. You're saying it doesn't matter to you -- which is fine -- but there are others to whom it would matter. Others who will come to this list looking for a way to sell their parent's collection. These average Joes and Janes won't be in the industry. They'll be the fly-by-nights. They will be the one shot consignment who will contact an expert and be funneled into an auction house, not knowing what posters they have or their true value. They won't know how to photograph their posters to document what they have, nor will they even now what a one sheet is. My emails and posts are for these folks who -- through the power of the internet -- will come here looking for what to do with their posters.. From: peter contarino pcontar...@triad.rr.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Missing posters Agreed. Inappropriate.. Peter From:MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of James Gresham Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:58 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Missing posters Helmut, I agree completely. I am sure there are two sides to every story and we dont need to hear additional details. Besides, I am way more apt to trust Grey. No way they are going to keep someones posters. No offense to you Geraldine, but Heritage is not keeping your posters. On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Helmut Hamm texasmu...@web.de wrote: Geraldine, since you're already employing an attorney, why don't you let him handle the conversation regarding this matter? As far as I'm concerned, this is between you and Heritage (or between your attorney and Heritage at this point) and I do not need any more of this on Mopo. Helmut Hamm http://www.filmposter.net On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 12:09 AM, Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com wrote: I am glad to see Robert Rogovin and James Greshin found their missing posters. I wish I could say the same. After posting here (March 31 Apr 3, 2012) that Charlie Lippincott and I were missing posters from Heritage, Grey offered to handle our auctions without a commission. No longer thrilled with our relationship with Heritage, we refused. Next, Grey Smith offered to donate their estimated value to charity -- which we also refused. Grey then sent back a batch of posters. Upon receipt, I emailed asking if these posters returned were all the posters held by Heritge. No reply. On May 7 our attorney sent Grey Smith and Heritage a letter requesting the names of the bonded staff member who had received our poster shipments and the names of both staff members who double checked the inventory. I repeated my emails to Grey requesting to know whether he had shipped back everything we had sent to heritage. No reply. Finally, on May 8, I sent an email with the heading 5TH REQUEST. Grey Smith replied the next day, but did not affirm the return represented ALL our inventory. It took two more emails before he said everything had been returned. As of May 18, Grey Smith claims they have not received a letter from our attorney. From:Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent
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I submit to all members of MOPO that one should not be diminished for stating a topic that may be relevant to the poster community. Granted ... airing out what some may describe as dirty laundry ... there may be a more appropriate method / venue to resolving issues. BTW .. should a member disagree ... simply activate your delete key. * What is it with some of you guys, selective amnesia? I agree with Allen and Craig on this. I don't like the inference that Geraldine's original post should be banned from MoPo or not tolerated. I've been on this list since the 1990s and of course it's SO predictable that when stuff like this appears - some members, based on their alliances and/or their good or bad experiences as business people - will bitch about the airing of grievances. So talking about problems that surface in our hobby is a sacred cow? We shouldn't talk about things because attorneys are involved? I've had a lot of experience with people pissed at my MoPo posts. In my view, what some think is bad form is just a difference of opinion. If I do get angry in public, it'll usually be when I feel a disagreement isn't a rebuttal based on facts - but a sarcastic insult or personal attack demanding a response. Sometimes I've been guilty of bad manners by getting equally personal. Other times I don't have time nor care to respond. * In sum, people tend to stand up for their friends. Grey is a friend. But he can defend himself publicly or privately if he so chooses - without the reflexive testimonials about his good character. Grey is a good man. But I don't like the piling on that sometimes occurs against someone we don't know as well - because at the end of the day, what matters most - is whether a person SIGNS their name (instead of using an alias or a friend as a tool to stir up trouble) - AND - whether an allegation about something I MAY OR MAY NOT CARE ABOUT - is TRUE. If you don't care about the truth or falsehood of a post, hit the delete button instead of attacking the messenger. * It's hard to be impartial when our friends are involved. When you read a nasty post against a person you DO like - just replace his/her name with that of a person you DON'T like. It's then easier to see the collective hypocrisy of group think behavior. (See exhibits, i.e., DePrenda, Eugene Hughes, T. Loce, Haggard, Rodxmorgan, infamous You Tube videos by Rawls, etc. - vs. exhibits involving names that are universally beloved.) -d. Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 15:01:40 -0700 From: gkud...@rocketmail.com Subject: Re: Missing posters To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU You may not need to read emails about someone you view as a colleague, whom you like... but there are other people in the hobby and other people who have been enamored of movies but haven't had enough money to get into the hobby who do need to hear it. I say this for a very specific reason -- you probably have a relationship with Heritage and Grey because they are -- let's face it -- so large. You've probably bought and sold posters from him. You may feel that though you may have had differences, over the years, you've worked them out and have developed a professional respect for one another. You know that you can contact Grey and X, Y or Z will happen because there is professional respect -- or at least, a professional relationship. (I'm giving everyone the benefit of the doubt and assume Grey respects you, but let's face it -- in business, there are some you respect and others you tolerate). Still, because you are in the business and not a newbie or a fly-by-night, Grey and Heritage have responded to you in a professional manner. This was not true in my case. Our posters were not properly inventoried, and I can prove it. I can and will prove it. I mean -- I couldn't even get an email reply saying this was all the posters we had of yours. After our posters went missing, I started looking into complaints against Heritage. Given the sales numbers that Heritage does, the complaints admittedly are small in numbers. What I noticed was that the majority seemed to be from the weak -- seniors like ourselves, or, in another case, a guy with Parkinson's. The complaints weren't from their professional colleagues but average Joes who felt taken. You're saying it doesn't matter to you -- which is fine -- but there are others to whom it would matter. Others who will come to this list looking for a way to sell their parent's collection. These average Joes and Janes won't be in the industry. They'll be the fly-by-nights. They will be the one shot consignment who will contact an expert and be funneled into an auction house, not knowing what posters they have or their true value. They won't know how to photograph their posters to document what they have, nor will they even now what a one sheet is. My emails and posts are for these folks who -- through the power of
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Geraldine is right in her added point here. When people find her story on the Internet, and see how she was completely blown off, that won't just taint the people she was dealing with, but rather it will taint everyone in this hobby. People wonder why there are only around 10,000 active movie poster collectors, as compared to ten or 100 times that amount in almost every other field. Maybe it is this kind of treatment that helps explain it. No one *HAS *to buy collectible movie posters the way they have to buy food or gasoline. If they are treated rotten, then will quit collecting. Bruce On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 5:43 PM, David Kusumoto davidmkusum...@hotmail.comwrote: I submit to all members of MOPO that one should not be diminished for stating a topic that may be relevant to the poster community. Granted ... airing out what some may describe as dirty laundry ... there may be a more appropriate method / venue to resolving issues. BTW .. should a member disagree ... simply activate your delete key. ** What is it with some of you guys, selective amnesia? I agree with Allen and Craig on this. I don't like the inference that Geraldine's original post should be banned from MoPo or not tolerated. I've been on this list since the 1990s and of course it's SO predictable that when stuff like this appears - some members, based on their alliances and/or their good or bad experiences as business people - will bitch about the airing of grievances. So talking about problems that surface in our hobby is a sacred cow? We shouldn't talk about things because attorneys are involved? I've had a lot of experience with people pissed at my MoPo posts. In my view, what some think is bad form is just a difference of opinion. If I do get angry in public, it'll usually be when I feel a disagreement isn't a rebuttal based on facts - but a sarcastic insult or personal attack demanding a response. Sometimes I've been guilty of bad manners by getting equally personal. Other times I don't have time nor care to respond. * In sum, people tend to stand up for their friends. Grey is a friend. But he can defend himself publicly or privately if he so chooses - without the reflexive testimonials about his good character. Grey is a good man. But I don't like the piling on that sometimes occurs against someone we don't know as well - because at the end of the day, what matters most - is whether a person SIGNS their name (instead of using an alias or a friend as a tool to stir up trouble) - AND - whether an allegation about something I MAY OR MAY NOT CARE ABOUT - is TRUE. If you don't care about the truth or falsehood of a post, hit the delete button instead of attacking the messenger. * It's hard to be impartial when our friends are involved. When you read a nasty post against a person you DO like - just replace his/her name with that of a person you DON'T like. It's then easier to see the collective hypocrisy of group think behavior. (See exhibits, i.e., DePrenda, Eugene Hughes, T. Loce, **Haggard, **Rodxmorgan, **infamous You Tube videos by Rawls, etc. - vs. exhibits involving names that are universally beloved.) -d. * -- *Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 15:01:40 -0700 From: gkud...@rocketmail.com Subject: Re: Missing posters To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU* You may not need to read emails about someone you view as a colleague, whom you like... but there are other people in the hobby and other people who have been enamored of movies but haven't had enough money to get into the hobby who do need to hear it. I say this for a very specific reason -- you probably have a relationship with Heritage and Grey because they are -- let's face it -- so large. You've probably bought and sold posters from him. You may feel that though you may have had differences, over the years, you've worked them out and have developed a professional respect for one another. You know that you can contact Grey and X, Y or Z will happen because there is professional respect -- or at least, a professional relationship. (I'm giving everyone the benefit of the doubt and assume Grey respects you, but let's face it -- in business, there are some you respect and others you tolerate). Still, because you are in the business and not a newbie or a fly-by-night, Grey and Heritage have responded to you in a professional manner. This was not true in my case. Our posters were not properly inventoried, and I can prove it. I can and will prove it. I mean -- I couldn't even get an email reply saying this was all the posters we had of yours. After our posters went missing, I started looking into complaints against Heritage. Given the sales numbers that Heritage does, the complaints admittedly are small in numbers. What I noticed was that the majority seemed to be from the weak -- seniors like ourselves, or, in another case, a guy with Parkinson's. The complaints weren't
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I think it's called 'don't shoot the messenger' lashing out at the bearer of bad news actully gives off the feeling that there is a tactical effort to suppress - in the end it actually does more harm than the bad news itself Simon - the bearer of good news! Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com Sender: MoPo List mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 17:58:57 To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Reply-To: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] Missing posters Geraldine is right in her added point here. When people find her story on the Internet, and see how she was completely blown off, that won't just taint the people she was dealing with, but rather it will taint everyone in this hobby. People wonder why there are only around 10,000 active movie poster collectors, as compared to ten or 100 times that amount in almost every other field. Maybe it is this kind of treatment that helps explain it. No one *HAS *to buy collectible movie posters the way they have to buy food or gasoline. If they are treated rotten, then will quit collecting. Bruce On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 5:43 PM, David Kusumoto davidmkusum...@hotmail.comwrote: I submit to all members of MOPO that one should not be diminished for stating a topic that may be relevant to the poster community. Granted ... airing out what some may describe as dirty laundry ... there may be a more appropriate method / venue to resolving issues. BTW .. should a member disagree ... simply activate your delete key. ** What is it with some of you guys, selective amnesia? I agree with Allen and Craig on this. I don't like the inference that Geraldine's original post should be banned from MoPo or not tolerated. I've been on this list since the 1990s and of course it's SO predictable that when stuff like this appears - some members, based on their alliances and/or their good or bad experiences as business people - will bitch about the airing of grievances. So talking about problems that surface in our hobby is a sacred cow? We shouldn't talk about things because attorneys are involved? I've had a lot of experience with people pissed at my MoPo posts. In my view, what some think is bad form is just a difference of opinion. If I do get angry in public, it'll usually be when I feel a disagreement isn't a rebuttal based on facts - but a sarcastic insult or personal attack demanding a response. Sometimes I've been guilty of bad manners by getting equally personal. Other times I don't have time nor care to respond. * In sum, people tend to stand up for their friends. Grey is a friend. But he can defend himself publicly or privately if he so chooses - without the reflexive testimonials about his good character. Grey is a good man. But I don't like the piling on that sometimes occurs against someone we don't know as well - because at the end of the day, what matters most - is whether a person SIGNS their name (instead of using an alias or a friend as a tool to stir up trouble) - AND - whether an allegation about something I MAY OR MAY NOT CARE ABOUT - is TRUE. If you don't care about the truth or falsehood of a post, hit the delete button instead of attacking the messenger. * It's hard to be impartial when our friends are involved. When you read a nasty post against a person you DO like - just replace his/her name with that of a person you DON'T like. It's then easier to see the collective hypocrisy of group think behavior. (See exhibits, i.e., DePrenda, Eugene Hughes, T. Loce, **Haggard, **Rodxmorgan, **infamous You Tube videos by Rawls, etc. - vs. exhibits involving names that are universally beloved.) -d. * -- *Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 15:01:40 -0700 From: gkud...@rocketmail.com Subject: Re: Missing posters To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU* You may not need to read emails about someone you view as a colleague, whom you like... but there are other people in the hobby and other people who have been enamored of movies but haven't had enough money to get into the hobby who do need to hear it. I say this for a very specific reason -- you probably have a relationship with Heritage and Grey because they are -- let's face it -- so large. You've probably bought and sold posters from him. You may feel that though you may have had differences, over the years, you've worked them out and have developed a professional respect for one another. You know that you can contact Grey and X, Y or Z will happen because there is professional respect -- or at least, a professional relationship. (I'm giving everyone the benefit of the doubt and assume Grey respects you, but let's face it -- in business, there are some you respect and others you tolerate). Still, because you are in the business and not a newbie or a fly-by-night, Grey and Heritage have responded
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That's so true, Simon. Standing back and looking at the big picture as it unfurled on MoPo - is the impression of a few people circling the wagons against Geraldine to protect Grey - not on the basis of her allegations - but on the basis of Grey's good character. Grey doesn't need testimonials, most of us get that. But people still give them. To be blunt, few people are giving ground to Geraldine because it involves our beloved Grey. And thus her posts are deemed by some as inappropriate and/or deserving of being marginalized - for reasons that in my view, have a cliquish and dismissive ring to them that I don't like. I've always believed dealers and high-tiered collectors are more outspoken on MoPo than the rest of its membership, which explains why out of 357 members, it's the same 30 or so who always write (myself included) - while the other 327 remain lurkers. -d. Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 23:11:05 + From: fab5fre...@btinternet.com Subject: Re: Missing posters To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU I think it's called 'don't shoot the messenger' lashing out at the bearer of bad news actully gives off the feeling that there is a tactical effort to suppress - in the end it actually does more harm than the bad news itself Simon - the bearer of good news!Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless deviceFrom: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com Sender: MoPo List mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 17:58:57 -0500To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDUReplyTo: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] Missing posters Geraldine is right in her added point here. When people find her story on the Internet, and see how she was completely blown off, that won't just taint the people she was dealing with, but rather it will taint everyone in this hobby. People wonder why there are only around 10,000 active movie poster collectors, as compared to ten or 100 times that amount in almost every other field. Maybe it is this kind of treatment that helps explain it. No one HAS to buy collectible movie posters the way they have to buy food or gasoline. If they are treated rotten, then will quit collecting. Bruce Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 15:43:10 -0700 From: davidmkusum...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Missing posters To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU I submit to all members of MOPO that one should not be diminished for stating a topic that may be relevant to the poster community. Granted ... airing out what some may describe as dirty laundry ... there may be a more appropriate method / venue to resolving issues. BTW .. should a member disagree ... simply activate your delete key. * What is it with some of you guys, selective amnesia? I agree with Allen and Craig on this. I don't like the inference that Geraldine's original post should be banned from MoPo or not tolerated. I've been on this list since the 1990s and of course it's SO predictable that when stuff like this appears - some members, based on their alliances and/or their good or bad experiences as business people - will bitch about the airing of grievances. So talking about problems that surface in our hobby is a sacred cow? We shouldn't talk about things because attorneys are involved? I've had a lot of experience with people pissed at my MoPo posts. In my view, what some think is bad form is just a difference of opinion. If I do get angry in public, it'll usually be when I feel a disagreement isn't a rebuttal based on facts - but a sarcastic insult or personal attack demanding a response. Sometimes I've been guilty of bad manners by getting equally personal. Other times I don't have time nor care to respond. * In sum, people tend to stand up for their friends. Grey is a friend. But he can defend himself publicly or privately if he so chooses - without the reflexive testimonials about his good character. Grey is a good man. But I don't like the piling on that sometimes occurs against someone we don't know as well - because at the end of the day, what matters most - is whether a person SIGNS their name (instead of using an alias or a friend as a tool to stir up trouble) - AND - whether an allegation about something I MAY OR MAY NOT CARE ABOUT - is TRUE. If you don't care about the truth or falsehood of a post, hit the delete button instead of attacking the messenger. * It's hard to be impartial when our friends are involved. When you read a nasty post against a person you DO like - just replace his/her name with that of a person you DON'T like. It's then easier to see the collective hypocrisy of group think behavior. (See exhibits, i.e., DePrenda, Eugene Hughes, T. Loce, Haggard, Rodxmorgan, infamous You Tube videos by Rawls, etc. - vs. exhibits involving names that are universally beloved.) -d. Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 15:01:40 -0700 From: gkud...@rocketmail.com Subject: Re: Missing posters To: MoPo-L
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In getting ready for the Columbus Ohio show I found the 14 missing movie posters I had thought were stolen. I called the police and had a good laugh with the detective who was working on the case and my insurance company to report that the posters were here after all. So no harm done except to my ego. I want to thank everyone for helping me out in this matter. Hope to see you all at Columbus. Robert Rogovin Four Color Comics Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
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Wow - hope you or the detective didn't accuse anyone of this as well. A lesson learned on how you should keep track of your shit. From: Robert Rogovin keybo...@aol.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 11:20 AM Subject: [MOPO] Missing posters In getting ready for the Columbus Ohio show I found the 14 missing movie posters I had thought were stolen. I called the police and had a good laugh with the detective who was working on the case and my insurance company to report that the posters were here after all. So no harm done except to my ego. I want to thank everyone for helping me out in this matter. Hope to see you all at Columbus. Robert Rogovin Four Color Comics Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
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Ditto. It is a big man who admits his mistake and make it public no less! From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of James Gresham Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 1:54 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Missing posters I think it is pretty admirable that Robert is honest enough to admit his mistake. It reminds me of the time I told Grey Smith that his packaging people had shorted me a half sheet. Later I found the half sheet stuck to the back of another I had framed. It was most embarrassing making that call to Grey! By the way, Grey was helpful understanding in every stage of that. So, hat's off to robert for his honesty! On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Neil Maciejewski neilmaciejew...@yahoo.commailto:neilmaciejew...@yahoo.com wrote: Wow - hope you or the detective didn't accuse anyone of this as well. A lesson learned on how you should keep track of your shit. From: Robert Rogovin keybo...@aol.commailto:keybo...@aol.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDUmailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 11:20 AM Subject: [MOPO] Missing posters In getting ready for the Columbus Ohio show I found the 14 missing movie posters I had thought were stolen. I called the police and had a good laugh with the detective who was working on the case and my insurance company to report that the posters were here after all. So no harm done except to my ego. I want to thank everyone for helping me out in this matter. Hope to see you all at Columbus. Robert Rogovin Four Color Comics Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.comhttp://www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edumailto:lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.comhttp://www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edumailto:lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. -- Jim Gresham 18501 Henry Ct Ray Mi 48096 586 677-7669 www.greshamsinc.comhttp://www.greshamsinc.com www.childrenofthenightbook.comhttp://www.childrenofthenightbook.com www.theyreherealreadybook.comhttp://www.theyreherealreadybook.com Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.comhttp://www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edumailto:lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
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Yes. Robert didn't have to say anything about this, and no one would have been the wiser. Kirby On May 22, 2012, at 1:59 PM, Smith, Grey - 1367 wrote: Ditto. It is a big man who admits his mistake and make it public no less! From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of James Gresham Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 1:54 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Missing posters I think it is pretty admirable that Robert is honest enough to admit his mistake. It reminds me of the time I told Grey Smith that his packaging people had shorted me a half sheet. Later I found the half sheet stuck to the back of another I had framed. It was most embarrassing making that call to Grey! By the way, Grey was helpful understanding in every stage of that. So, hat's off to robert for his honesty! On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Neil Maciejewski neilmaciejew...@yahoo.com wrote: Wow - hope you or the detective didn't accuse anyone of this as well. A lesson learned on how you should keep track of your shit. From: Robert Rogovin keybo...@aol.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 11:20 AM Subject: [MOPO] Missing posters In getting ready for the Columbus Ohio show I found the 14 missing movie posters I had thought were stolen. I called the police and had a good laugh with the detective who was working on the case and my insurance company to report that the posters were here after all. So no harm done except to my ego. I want to thank everyone for helping me out in this matter. Hope to see you all at Columbus. Robert Rogovin Four Color Comics Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. -- Jim Gresham 18501 Henry Ct Ray Mi 48096 586 677-7669 www.greshamsinc.com www.childrenofthenightbook.com www.theyreherealreadybook.com Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
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I think it is pretty admirable that Robert is honest enough to admit his mistake. It reminds me of the time I told Grey Smith that his packaging people had shorted me a half sheet. Later I found the half sheet stuck to the back of another I had framed. It was most embarrassing making that call to Grey! By the way, Grey was helpful understanding in every stage of that. So, hat's off to robert for his honesty! On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Neil Maciejewski neilmaciejew...@yahoo.com wrote: Wow - hope you or the detective didn't accuse anyone of this as well. A lesson learned on how you should keep track of your shit. -- *From:* Robert Rogovin keybo...@aol.com *To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU *Sent:* Tuesday, May 22, 2012 11:20 AM *Subject:* [MOPO] Missing posters In getting ready for the Columbus Ohio show I found the 14 missing movie posters I had thought were stolen. I called the police and had a good laugh with the detective who was working on the case and my insurance company to report that the posters were here after all. So no harm done except to my ego. I want to thank everyone for helping me out in this matter. Hope to see you all at Columbus. Robert Rogovin Four Color Comics Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. -- Jim Gresham 18501 Henry Ct Ray Mi 48096 586 677-7669 www.greshamsinc.com www.childrenofthenightbook.com www.theyreherealreadybook.com Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
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Over the years a ton of people have contacted us that one or more items were missing from their package (so many that we have a stock reply telling them to carefully check *EVERYTHING *again). Time after time people contact us all embarrassed to say they found it. I can only recall a couple of times over a 20 year period where people were adamant the missing items weren't there, and I refunded them. 99.9% of poster collectors are among the most honest people on earth. That ,1%... well...! Bruce On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Kirby McDaniel ki...@movieart.net wrote: Yes. Robert didn't have to say anything about this, and no one would have been the wiser. Kirby On May 22, 2012, at 1:59 PM, Smith, Grey - 1367 wrote: Ditto. It is a big man who admits his mistake and make it public no less! ** ** *From:* MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] *On Behalf Of *James Gresham *Sent:* Tuesday, May 22, 2012 1:54 PM *To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] Missing posters ** ** I think it is pretty admirable that Robert is honest enough to admit his mistake. It reminds me of the time I told Grey Smith that his packaging people had shorted me a half sheet. Later I found the half sheet stuck to the back of another I had framed. It was most embarrassing making that call to Grey! By the way, Grey was helpful understanding in every stage of that. So, hat's off to robert for his honesty! On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Neil Maciejewski neilmaciejew...@yahoo.com wrote: Wow - hope you or the detective didn't accuse anyone of this as well. A lesson learned on how you should keep track of your shit. ** ** -- *From:* Robert Rogovin keybo...@aol.com *To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU *Sent:* Tuesday, May 22, 2012 11:20 AM *Subject:* [MOPO] Missing posters In getting ready for the Columbus Ohio show I found the 14 missing movie posters I had thought were stolen. I called the police and had a good laugh with the detective who was working on the case and my insurance company to report that the posters were here after all. So no harm done except to my ego. I want to thank everyone for helping me out in this matter. Hope to see you all at Columbus. Robert Rogovin Four Color Comics Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. -- Jim Gresham 18501 Henry Ct Ray Mi 48096 586 677-7669 www.greshamsinc.com www.childrenofthenightbook.com www.theyreherealreadybook.com ** ** Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing ListSend a message addressed to: listserv@listserv.american.eduIn the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-LThe author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. -- Bruce Hershenson and the other 26 members of the eMoviePoster.com team P.O. Box 874 West Plains, MO 65775 Phone: 417-256-9616 (hours: Mon-Fri 9 to 5 except from 12 to 1 when we take lunch) our site http://www.emovieposter.com/ our auctions http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/all.html http://www.emovieposter.com/unused/signature/20111028Frankensteinemployeegroupphotosignature.jpg Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing
