Re: [MD] Greetings and Happy New Year
JC, you said ... yup. And you make a good case for excluding people who purposely clog the airwaves with B.S, Ouch! Ian Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
Re: [MD] Art and Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
Joe to Andre: DQ experience itself is indefinable metaphysics. Andre: Huh? Joe: Consciousness of individuality coupled with life anchors a possibility for describing an experience of indefinable reality. Metaphysics MOQ accepts a reality of DQ/SQ experience in individuality. Sentient consciousness, freewill, upholds the awareness needed for DQ/SQ. Animals follow mechanical instinct. Andre: Sorry Joe but I have no idea what you are saying...what point(s)you are trying to make. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
Re: [MD] Greetings and Happy New Year
Oh lordy, I hope you didn't think I meant YOU, Ian. On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 12:33 AM, Ian Glendinning ian.glendinn...@gmail.comwrote: JC, you said ... yup. And you make a good case for excluding people who purposely clog the airwaves with B.S, Ouch! Ian Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
Re: [MD] Greetings and Happy New Year
I trusted you didn't JC - it's the other idiots reading it I worry about :-) Ian On 7 Jan 2014 17:29, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote: Oh lordy, I hope you didn't think I meant YOU, Ian. On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 12:33 AM, Ian Glendinning ian.glendinn...@gmail.comwrote: JC, you said ... yup. And you make a good case for excluding people who purposely clog the airwaves with B.S, Ouch! Ian Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
Re: [MD] Art and Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
Hi Andre and All, DQ/SQ, indefinable/definable! A structure which supports indefinable reality must include aspects of reality which are indefinable like free-will which remains outside of definition through freedom. If I can't make a mistake in what I choose I am not held responsible for my choice. I have to pay the consequences of the choice. Free will makes manifest metaphysical restraints for manifestation in the DQ/SQ structure. Pardon me I am mistaken! Joe On 1/7/14 8:46 AM, Andre andrebroer...@gmail.com wrote: Joe to Andre: DQ experience itself is indefinable metaphysics. Andre: Huh? Joe: Consciousness of individuality coupled with life anchors a possibility for describing an experience of indefinable reality. Metaphysics MOQ accepts a reality of DQ/SQ experience in individuality. Sentient consciousness, freewill, upholds the awareness needed for DQ/SQ. Animals follow mechanical instinct. Andre: Sorry Joe but I have no idea what you are saying...what point(s)you are trying to make. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
Re: [MD] Art and Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
When are we going to lose these pointless degenerate myths like free will is undefinable ffs? Free will is as well (un)defined as any other object in this real MoQish world. Still, I guess it helps to maintain the mysterious myth if your objective is to justify interminable gain-saying argument for as long as your academic career requires it. Ian On 7 Jan 2014 20:10, Joseph Maurer jh...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Andre and All, DQ/SQ, indefinable/definable! A structure which supports indefinable reality must include aspects of reality which are indefinable like free-will which remains outside of definition through freedom. If I can't make a mistake in what I choose I am not held responsible for my choice. I have to pay the consequences of the choice. Free will makes manifest metaphysical restraints for manifestation in the DQ/SQ structure. Pardon me I am mistaken! Joe On 1/7/14 8:46 AM, Andre andrebroer...@gmail.com wrote: Joe to Andre: DQ experience itself is indefinable metaphysics. Andre: Huh? Joe: Consciousness of individuality coupled with life anchors a possibility for describing an experience of indefinable reality. Metaphysics MOQ accepts a reality of DQ/SQ experience in individuality. Sentient consciousness, freewill, upholds the awareness needed for DQ/SQ. Animals follow mechanical instinct. Andre: Sorry Joe but I have no idea what you are saying...what point(s)you are trying to make. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
Re: [MD] Art and Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
I had a thought the other day Ian about this subject. Help me to see if it fits. Terms like intellect and free will are tricky to define because they are experiences, not definitions. You experience intellect when you think in certain ways. Trying to pin that down exactly is a pain in the butt, but the experience of doing it is plain and obvious. Same goes with free will. It's not a real big problem unless you run up against somebody who thinks everything that is real is definable. On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Ian Glendinning ian.glendinn...@gmail.comwrote: When are we going to lose these pointless degenerate myths like free will is undefinable ffs? Free will is as well (un)defined as any other object in this real MoQish world. Still, I guess it helps to maintain the mysterious myth if your objective is to justify interminable gain-saying argument for as long as your academic career requires it. Ian On 7 Jan 2014 20:10, Joseph Maurer jh...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Andre and All, DQ/SQ, indefinable/definable! A structure which supports indefinable reality must include aspects of reality which are indefinable like free-will which remains outside of definition through freedom. If I can't make a mistake in what I choose I am not held responsible for my choice. I have to pay the consequences of the choice. Free will makes manifest metaphysical restraints for manifestation in the DQ/SQ structure. Pardon me I am mistaken! Joe On 1/7/14 8:46 AM, Andre andrebroer...@gmail.com wrote: Joe to Andre: DQ experience itself is indefinable metaphysics. Andre: Huh? Joe: Consciousness of individuality coupled with life anchors a possibility for describing an experience of indefinable reality. Metaphysics MOQ accepts a reality of DQ/SQ experience in individuality. Sentient consciousness, freewill, upholds the awareness needed for DQ/SQ. Animals follow mechanical instinct. Andre: Sorry Joe but I have no idea what you are saying...what point(s)you are trying to make. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
