RE: [Mpls] City budget: tough choices for tough times - 23% cut to Police! and NRP funding

2003-01-12 Thread David Brauer
I want to acknowledge Paul Lohman's correction:

> David Brauer wrote:
> 
> >The details are grim...greatly reduced community-development funds, a 23
> >percent cut to the cops,
> 
> This is really a bit misleading and just one way in which numbers can be
> turned to almost any advantage.  The budget for police over the next 5
> years (2003-2008) will INCREASE by about $18 million dollars.  They will
> actually receive a 3.6% average annual increase in their budget.
> 
> They WILL be 23% of the solution - meaning the city has to find $55
million
> in cuts over the next 5 years and the police will be 23% of that amount.

Sorry, I didn't intend to be misleading. A subsequent post I wrote stated,
"The police make up 32 percent of the 2003 property-tax-supported budget
alone; they are getting 23 percent of the cuts. ... According to the city's
5-year projections, they need to cut $55 million in anticipated spending
growth. The police come in for $12 million in cuts, fire for $2 million and
public works for $8.4 million."

Good catch, Paul - I think my second post was more careful. As Jim Graham
recently said, sorry for the initial haste.

By the way, Dan Niziolek made a big deal of the fact that several city
departments (including the mayor's office and the council) were getting 6.5
percent average annual increases when the cops were getting 3.6 percent.

Expect this to be a major point of discussion. The rejoinder (from whom, I
forget) was that you only save a little out of other departments but you
save a lot off the cops. Niziolek's response was that everyone should be
limited to what the cops get.

By the way, the fire guys are getting more - 5.5 percent annual increases.

David Brauer
King Field

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RE: [Mpls] City budget: tough choices for tough times - 23% cut to Police! and NRP funding

2003-01-12 Thread Paul Lohman
David Brauer wrote:


The details are grim...greatly reduced community-development funds, a 23
percent cut to the cops,


This is really a bit misleading and just one way in which numbers can be 
turned to almost any advantage.  The budget for police over the next 5 
years (2003-2008) will INCREASE by about $18 million dollars.  They will 
actually receive a 3.6% average annual increase in their budget.

They WILL be 23% of the solution - meaning the city has to find $55 million 
in cuts over the next 5 years and the police will be 23% of that amount.

Jim Graham wrote:
 I (Jim Graham) answered RT that this
debate had already been engaged in and was over.  The debate took place
before the last election.  ... snip...  The Mayor and several candidates 
for City Council won on the basis of these commitments to keep NRP intact 
and promises to find the funding for it.  We gave money, support, and 
votes on the basis of those commitments.  It is NOT up for debate about 
funding NRP; it is up to those making the
commitment to find the funds. That the taxpayers of Minneapolis should have
a referendum on where and what they would be willing to see tax increases
for.  The Mayor said he would oppose such a referendum. (The Mayor and City
Council Members do not trust the people to spend the people's tax dollars in
the places the politicians think are important I guess.)

A referendum on whether or not to raise taxes in Minneapolis for NRP would 
be a BIG mistake.   First of all it would lose.  Taxes are already going up 
anywhere from 8% to 13% (er, what's inflation again?).  Numbers presented 
on Saturday showed that to raise $20 million for NRP would increase taxes 
something over 25%!  This would also absolutely kill NRP as it would turn 
out to be a referendum not on a tax increase but on NRP itself.

We have to remember that though some of us could easily bear a large tax 
increase many people simply cannot.   There are people on fixed incomes 
that have lived in their homes or neighborhoods for 50+ years, but these 
kinds of tax increases would simply force them out.   Affordable housing is 
already a huge issue.  This would simply make a bad situation even worse.

Paul Lohman
Lynnhurst


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[Mpls] City budget: tough choices for tough times

2003-01-10 Thread List Manager
City leaders prep themselves, and others, for $55 million in cuts in
expected spending over the next five years...and that's before the state
cuts any local govt aid.

The details are grim...greatly reduced community-development funds, a 23
percent cut to the cops, delayed fixing of the infrastructure gap...wither
NRP? Affordable housing?

Rochelle Olson's story:
http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/3585360.html

Strib editorial:
http://www.startribune.com/stories/561/3584088.html

David Brauer
List manager

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