RE: [Mpls] Senator Berglin and Responses to Graffiti (fwd)

2003-03-20 Thread David Brauer
David Shove writes:
 
> Where in that statement did I say or imply that graffitti should be
> tolerated? At NO point did I say I wanted both. I want neither. But I was
> misrepresented in a way to dismiss my statements about billboards - and
> very effectively, I see.

My apologies, David. I imputed arguments I've heard others make - that
graffiti is ok because billboards exist - to you. But I now understand that
your point was different.

No intent to misrepresent, but sometimes it happens. Again, I'm sorry.

David Brauer
King Field
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Re: [Mpls] Senator Berglin and Responses to Graffiti (fwd)

2003-03-19 Thread David Shove
[computer glitch forced premature send just now]

On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, David Brauer wrote:
> I also want to briefly respond to David Shove:
>
> Those who argue that graffiti should be tolerated because billboards are
> subscribe to the "eye for an eye" ethos (literally), that I think comes up
> short. There are many of us who hate billboards AND graffiti - maximizing
> visual pollution is a really counterproductive idea.

The following is what I said.

"I find BILLBOARDS even uglier - huge, pervasive, intrusive, endless, ugly
ugly ugly. Symbols of corporate arrogance and greed. Property-value
destroying. An insult to the environment. An insult to citizens.

How beautiful it would be were they gone eradicated vanished.

The problem is that the people behind them are not poor or young or
powerless. It would be joyful to pass a law to fine their parents for
their nature-effacing misdeeds.

--David Shove
Roseville"

Where in that statement did I say or imply that graffitti should be
tolerated? At NO point did I say I wanted both. I want neither. But I was
misrepresented in a way to dismiss my statements about billboards - and
very effectively, I see.


--David Shove
Roseville
























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