Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Fonts

[Sieghard via mseide-msegui-talk]

Hallo mohamed hamza,

you wrote at Wed, 21 Sep 2022 10:36:20 +:

>   My question is about MseIde Guide.  In Fact, before Searching
> ( find in file: SumField ) in MseIde.lib the programmer have to know
> that this function exists !!! .That'why I believe there are other
> hiden procedures /  functions .

Sure, but they're not HIDDEN, they're just not (yet) documented. Please
keep in mind that mseide-msegui was the project of ONE SINGLE MAN quite
a time of its development, and when made public, mostly got feature
requests and very few contributions. Admittedly, the author (Martin)
usually fended off attempts from others to interfere with his
constructs. But as mostly developers, notoriously unwilling to
document (I know that, I do develop software myself), were the
participants of the development mailing lists, documentation remained
quite sparse...
In addition to the great documentation of Roland Chastin I mentioned,
there were a couple others as well, e.g. a contribution using the
"ancient" OS/2 help format by Graeme Geldenhuis (who seems to have
disppeared from here) and a PDF from Fred van Stappen, along with some
basic description from Martin Schreiber himself.
Anyway, writing REAL documentation for this project will be a
MONUMENTAL project by itself, regarding the amount of code to describe,
and describe in a way that makes it obvious how to make use of it.
(BTW, the latest original version from Martin himself, 4.6.2 (I suppose
this IS original) comprises nearly 80MBytes of stuff, mainly code, with
the IDE amounting to well over 4MBytes and the library to 20MBytes.
And then there are around 31MBytes of "tools" as well.)

Yes, that's no base for easy-going programming, but it's very capable,
somewhat ideosyncratic, and still quite simple to use for not really
exotic tasks.
But as with any programming system, "your mileage may vary".
(Sorry for the long sermon.)

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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Fonts

[Sieghard via mseide-msegui-talk]

Hallo Fred van Stappen,

vous ecrit au Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:27:16 +:

> > here IS some code documentation, provided by Roland Chastain (also
...
> The sites are (with a "l" at end):

Oh, sorry, I must have lost them when I copied it from a former posting
of yours. Thank you for the correction.

(I'd like to get it for local use and perhaps conversion to PDF format.
After all, PDF knows links just as well as HTML does. It's just quite
a bit of work to do.)

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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Fonts

[Fred van Stappen]

Hello Sieghard.

>>> But how did you know that MseLib  has a function which do the job
>>> and called sumfield.
>>>I am sure that there are other Hidden funcs.

>> Sorry but I do not understand.

> Isn't that obvious?

Yes, now it is, I think that Med asked for something that ideU has but is not 
implemented in MSEide.

See video:
https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/3421249/191598856-95ed48c4-3eaa-48f8-bd5e-469b9d95bc31.mp4

https://github.com/fredvs/ideU/releases

Fre;D
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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Transparent background of form.

[Sieghard via mseide-msegui-talk]

Hallo Fred van Stappen,

vous ecrit au Tue, 20 Sep 2022 02:17:27 +:

> > Please don't publicize this URL too much.
> Ok, I understand and apologize...

Never mind, it was just meant as a friendly reminder.
These days, data drain away so easily everywhere...

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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Fonts

[Sieghard via mseide-msegui-talk]

Hallo Fred van Stappen,

vous ecrit au Tue, 20 Sep 2022 18:52:03 +:

> > But how did you know that MseLib  has a function which do the job
> > and called sumfield.
> >I am sure that there are other Hidden funcs.
> 
> Sorry but I do not understand.

Isn't that obvious? Say you want to sum up a column of data in a grid
and wonder how to do that easily. What would be your first attempt,
quick & dirty?
I'm sure you wouldn't start to search through any and all the grid
functions, whether there is such a function already, although it would
do immediatly (I assume) what you need - you probabely would start to
implement such a function yourself. 

> Could you explain what you need, maybe with a example.

Does that suffice as an explanation?


BTW, you wrote on Tue, 20 Sep 2022 02:12:20 +:

> In such case, I use menu Search/Find in files and set directory
> mseide-msegui. See image:

You DO realize that, on Linux at least, but also available fpr Windows,
there are such system provided functions like "find", "grep" and others
that do such a job quite nicely and even better controllable, without
having to fire up a bulky graphics application? And even better, for
repeatedd tasks, they can be used within a script and applied as often
as you like...
(Of course, that's how I produced the "unitslist" web pages. And as I
just have built a small script to list ot the heritge of a class, I
might add this feature to this list. So you can immediately see all the
classes the one in question inherits from without having to scan them
through.)

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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Fonts

[Fred van Stappen]

> My question is about MseIde Guide

Re-hello Med.

If you want interactive auto-complete, you may use ideU.
Click on the auto-complete-help icon (the lamp) and when you write something  
it will show a list of all the methods.
If you click on one method, the code is automatically added.

See picture:
https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/3421249/191542268-1cc666a7-086d-429c-905f-78e10be92f99.png

It was proposed to add this feature to MSEide but Martin did not want it.
So I prefer to not enable it for MSEide ( but you may use ideU ;-) )

Fre;D
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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Fonts

[Fred van Stappen]

> My question is about MseIde Guide

After check in Roland msegui site, it is **very** complete.

If I understand ok, you would like to have a interactive help if a word is 
selected and you press on F1 (for example).

Yes, it would be great but we need tips and light how to do it.

Any idea is welcome.

Fre;D



De : mohamed hamza 
Envoyé : mercredi 21 septembre 2022 12:36
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Objet : Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Fonts

Hello Fred,

  My question is about MseIde Guide.  In Fact, before Searching   ( find in 
file: SumField ) in MseIde.lib the programmer have to know that this function 
exists !!! .That'why I believe there are other hiden procedures /  functions .

Regards

Med

De : Fred van Stappen 
Envoyé : mardi 20 septembre 2022 18:52
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Objet : Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Fonts

Hello Med.

> But how did you know that MseLib  has a function which do the job  and called 
> sumfield.
>I am sure that there are other Hidden funcs.

Sorry but I do not understand.
Could you explain what you need, maybe with a example.

Thanks.

Fre;D
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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Fonts

[Fred van Stappen]

> here IS some code documentation, provided by Roland Chastain (also a -
> former? - member of this list), which can be found under the URLs
>  (fpc) and
>  (msegui),

The sites are (with a "l" at end):

https://www.msegui.net/doc/fpdoc/index.html
https://www.msegui.net/doc/pasdoc/index.html>
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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Fonts

[mohamed hamza]

Hello Fred,

  My question is about MseIde Guide.  In Fact, before Searching   ( find in 
file: SumField ) in MseIde.lib the programmer have to know that this function 
exists !!! .That'why I believe there are other hiden procedures /  functions .

Regards

Med

De : Fred van Stappen 
Envoyé : mardi 20 septembre 2022 18:52
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Objet : Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Fonts

Hello Med.

> But how did you know that MseLib  has a function which do the job  and called 
> sumfield.
>I am sure that there are other Hidden funcs.

Sorry but I do not understand.
Could you explain what you need, maybe with a example.

Thanks.

Fre;D
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