Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Need some marketing (to our Russian speaking friends)
On 12/11/2012 01:41 AM, Martin Schreiber wrote: > > Thanks! Could you add that it is necessary to download and extract the source > and development environment too? > I assume the guide refers to the windows installer from IvankoB? Maybe the > download URLs should be listed too. > Is it OK to store the source in "C:\Program Files\msegui" directory? Has FPC > write access to that directory? Or are the units precompiled? If so the FPC > version must match exactly. > On page 2 'Click on the 2 dots (browse button)' should be '3 dots'. > There is a typo on page 7 "Click on the default.prj roject type." > Page 13 "Enter “btnOnExecute” in the text area. Now click on the program code > window or press F12." -> "Enter “btnOnExecute” in the text area. Now press > Enter twice. > Typo on Page 19: "You will be asked if you want to save your project chagnes." > I did this from a windows computer so yes it is specific to windows for now. I will do a setup from linux and then merge the two guides into one document. Will clean up the typos as they are spotted. Eventually the user guide should contain everything needed to get a new user started. Patrick. -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Need some marketing (to our Russian speaking friends)
On Monday 10 December 2012 20:44:00 Patrick Goupell wrote: > On 12/09/2012 03:55 PM, Patrick Goupell wrote: > > I will take a look and try to put together something more user friendly > > for new users. > > I have put a start to a user guide on the website. It is on the > Download page at the top. > Thanks! Could you add that it is necessary to download and extract the source and development environment too? I assume the guide refers to the windows installer from IvankoB? Maybe the download URLs should be listed too. Is it OK to store the source in "C:\Program Files\msegui" directory? Has FPC write access to that directory? Or are the units precompiled? If so the FPC version must match exactly. On page 2 'Click on the 2 dots (browse button)' should be '3 dots'. There is a typo on page 7 "Click on the default.prj roject type." Page 13 "Enter “btnOnExecute” in the text area. Now click on the program code window or press F12." -> "Enter “btnOnExecute” in the text area. Now press Enter twice. Typo on Page 19: "You will be asked if you want to save your project chagnes." Martin -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Need some marketing (to our Russian speaking friends)
> I am willing to take over the updating of them as Martin sets a new > release. > > I can host them on the msegui.org website as well. > > You can send me the script if that is agreeable to you. > The suite (an obsolete version thus may need some fixing ) can be taken from https://docs.google.com/open?id=0BykGUTACcYqKVzhHYm1jelFVVDg -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Need some marketing (to our Russian speaking friends)
On 12/09/2012 03:55 PM, Patrick Goupell wrote: > > I will take a look and try to put together something more user friendly > for new users. > > I have put a start to a user guide on the website. It is on the Download page at the top. Patrick -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Need some marketing (to our Russian speaking friends)
On 12/10/2012 12:11 PM, Ivanko B wrote: > It's my work %) It uses InnoSetup (it 's freeware& also has internal > PascalScript, BTW). If needed, me can provide the build script (the > InnoSetup language) > I am willing to take over the updating of them as Martin sets a new release. I can host them on the msegui.org website as well. You can send me the script if that is agreeable to you. Patrick -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Need some marketing (to our Russian speaking friends)
It's my work %) It uses InnoSetup (it 's freeware & also has internal PascalScript, BTW). If needed, me can provide the build script (the InnoSetup language) -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Need some marketing (to our Russian speaking friends)
On 12/09/2012 03:24 PM, Martin Schreiber wrote:
>
> The first step is a good README.TXT. It seems the current text it does not
> allow a newbie to download and extract the binary, the source package, setup
> the ${MSEDIR} path and to run the demo application. How can it be improved?
>
Some time ago someone created windows setup programs for mse:
setup_mse_full.exe, setup_mse_compact.exe and setup_mse_mini.exe.
Who created these setup programs and what program did you use to create
them?
Thanks.
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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Need some marketing (to our Russian speaking friends)
On 2012-12-10 09:23, Julio Jiménez wrote: > These numbers are related to downloaded packages only. > > It doesn't take in account Git users (like me). No, obviously not. Those numbers tend to be pretty useless, like most internet statistics. Regards, - Graeme - -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Need some marketing (to our Russian speaking friends)
These numbers are related to downloaded packages only. It doesn't take in account Git users (like me). 2012/12/10 Martin Schreiber > > > Do you know how many downloads are / have been done? > > > > What is the breakdown between Linux and windows? > > > The numbers from SourceForge are here: > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/mseide-msegui/files/mseide-msegui/2.8.2/stats/timeline > > Martin > > -- Julio Jiménez Borreguero -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Need some marketing (to our Russian speaking friends)
On Monday 10 December 2012 03:16:07 Patrick Goupell wrote:
> On 12/09/2012 03:24 PM, Martin Schreiber wrote:
> > The first step is a good README.TXT. It seems the current text it does
> > not allow a newbie to download and extract the binary, the source
> > package, setup the ${MSEDIR} path and to run the demo application. How
> > can it be improved?
>
> Martin,
>
> Do you know how many downloads are / have been done?
>
> What is the breakdown between Linux and windows?
>
The numbers from SourceForge are here:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/mseide-msegui/files/mseide-msegui/2.8.2/stats/timeline
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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Need some marketing (to our Russian speaking friends)
On 12/09/2012 03:24 PM, Martin Schreiber wrote:
>
> The first step is a good README.TXT. It seems the current text it does not
> allow a newbie to download and extract the binary, the source package, setup
> the ${MSEDIR} path and to run the demo application. How can it be improved?
>
Martin,
Do you know how many downloads are / have been done?
What is the breakdown between Linux and windows?
Thanks.
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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Need some marketing (to our Russian speaking friends)
> The first step is a good README.TXT. It seems the current text it does not
> allow a newbie to download and extract the binary, the source package, setup
> the ${MSEDIR} path and to run the demo application. How can it be improved?
>
> Martin
>
I will take a look and try to put together something more user friendly
for new users.
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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Need some marketing (to our Russian speaking friends)
On Sunday 09 December 2012 21:10:00 Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
> On 2012-12-09 17:09, Ivanko B wrote:
> > The lady complains that the environment doesn't direct newbies
> > clearly. Probably such kind of users needs smth like "wizards" :)
>
> No, I would say a "Quick Start Guide" and API documentation is required.
> Without end-user help, no tool is ever very good. MSEide+MSEgui's
> biggest downfall is the lack of documentation.
>
The first step is a good README.TXT. It seems the current text it does not
allow a newbie to download and extract the binary, the source package, setup
the ${MSEDIR} path and to run the demo application. How can it be improved?
Martin
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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Need some marketing (to our Russian speaking friends)
On 2012-12-09 17:09, Ivanko B wrote: > The lady complains that the environment doesn't direct newbies > clearly. Probably such kind of users needs smth like "wizards" :) No, I would say a "Quick Start Guide" and API documentation is required. Without end-user help, no tool is ever very good. MSEide+MSEgui's biggest downfall is the lack of documentation. Regards, - Graeme - -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Need some marketing (to our Russian speaking friends)
Really the projects she has to write for her examination are non-GUI. Possibly that's why she disregarded all GUI RADs as complications. -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Need some marketing (to our Russian speaking friends)
On Sunday 09 December 2012 18:09:23 Ivanko B wrote: > The lady complains that the environment doesn't direct newbies > clearly. Probably such kind of users needs smth like "wizards" :) > What does this mean? Is README.TXT misleading? Martin -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Need some marketing (to our Russian speaking friends)
The lady complains that the environment doesn't direct newbies clearly. Probably such kind of users needs smth like "wizards" :) -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Need some marketing (to our Russian speaking friends)
On Saturday 08 December 2012 22:49:04 Ivanko B wrote: > The lady has rechecked the things and failed thus concluded "MSE* is > not for beginners" - exactly like Martin always tells :) > What happened? Probably README.TXT must be improved. I think MSEide+MSEgui absolutely can be used by beginners. People who have problems to work with MSEide+MSEgui normally know Delphi or Lazarus already and don't find the familiar properties and concepts. Beginners without that background accept and master MSEide+MSEgui quickly. MSEide+MSEgui could also be used in schools if there would be documentation of good quality available. On http://www.lazarusforum.de/ one can often read questions of pupils who have to fight with Lazarus and constructs like strtoint(edit1.text) in OnClick, label1.caption:= inttostr(var1) and the like because Lazarus has no tintegeredit.onsetvalue and tintegerdisp. What I always tell is that because MSEide+MSEgui is no commercial product like Delphi I am not forced to please the first time buyers as a main goal, the structure of MSEgui can be designed so that it is optimal for "power users" too. Martin -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Need some marketing (to our Russian speaking friends)
The lady has rechecked the things and failed thus concluded "MSE* is not for beginners" - exactly like Martin always tells :) -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Need some marketing (to our Russian speaking friends)
> Can somebody please write a hint about "README.TXT" and make some good > statements about MSEide+MSEgui? ;-) No problem, Martin. Done ;-) Yours, Alexandre Minoshi -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Need some marketing (to our Russian speaking friends)
so it is important to write a rectification. === Me've written smth :) -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Need some marketing (to our Russian speaking friends)
On Friday 07 December 2012 10:25:37 Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
> On 2012-12-07 05:52, Martin Schreiber wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I found this:
> > http://bluehairlady.blogspot.ch/2012/12/pascal.html
> > Can somebody please write a hint about "README.TXT" and make some good
> > statements about MSEide+MSEgui? ;-)
>
> I wouldn't bother. That author clearly doesn't know anything. Lets see…
>
True, but Google lists and people read such statements, so it is important to
write a rectification.
[...]
>
> “And MSEide ("the form editor and source code") did not start. In short,
> the normal behavior of a cross-platform application.”
>
Some people download the binary only and want read README.TXT...
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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Need some marketing (to our Russian speaking friends)
It was written by a girl ;) A russian girl ;) A girl having been taught in seems to be Pragha [ where the education manner is much-much worse than in the USSR but better living style] ;) Tasting everything anywhere without any deeping in ;) Once she gets older & enters the real life she'll definitely write quite another stuff ;) -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Need some marketing (to our Russian speaking friends)
On 2012-12-07 05:52, Martin Schreiber wrote:
> Hi,
> I found this:
> http://bluehairlady.blogspot.ch/2012/12/pascal.html
> Can somebody please write a hint about "README.TXT" and make some good
> statements about MSEide+MSEgui? ;-)
I wouldn't bother. That author clearly doesn't know anything. Lets see…
“This language is easy to learn programming techniques, but not to write
real programs.”
WTF?? In my 20 years of using Delphi and Free Pascal, I have worked on
small, medium and massive projects. One being for Lloyds of London (a
massive and very old reinsurance company) - a critical part of business
in the UK, moving millions of pounds around per day.
“Free Pascal v2.6.0: ...the inability to directly copy the code in
Notepad, use the syntax...”
Uh? OK, I guess he is comparing the FPC Text IDE. Well, does he know how
rediculous it is to copy and paste from the Windows Console to a Windows
GUI application - compared to Linux or Mac OS X. In that case - and
using his comparison style - the whole of Windows is rubbish too.
“And MSEide ("the form editor and source code") did not start. In short,
the normal behavior of a cross-platform application.”
Again, WTF? Yes I find MSEgui hard too - simply because I'm used to
Delphi or fpGUI. But doing "Project | New | From Template" and you have
the form designer and the code editor open. Clearly the author of that
article is rather brain-dead, or Bing Translator did a terrible job.
“Lazarus v1.0.2: converting Delphi 7 projects causes problems and you
need to manually fix things in Lazarus.”
hallo??? Delphi 7 using the VCL, which is tightly coupled to the Windows
Win32 API. Most Delphi applications also often call Windows API's
directly - bypassing the VCL. Obviously you will have to fix such code
when converting the project to a cross-platform toolkit.
“Lazarus v1.0.2: And it compiles slowly.”
Compared to what? The only compiler I know that compiles faster is
Delphi. EVERY OTHER COMPILER (C, C++, Java, Visual Basic etc) COMPILES
MUCH MUCH SLOWER!
This person clearly has such a bias against ANY Pascal language or
compiler. So why did he actually bother writing such a rubbish article.
He could simply of said "C++ rocks" and save us all the pain from
reading such rubbish.
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Hi, I found this: http://bluehairlady.blogspot.ch/2012/12/pascal.html Can somebody please write a hint about "README.TXT" and make some good statements about MSEide+MSEgui? ;-) Martin -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
