RE: [mssms] Bits and BranchCache revisited

[Jay Marsett]

Phil,

So far all of our testing is with Windows 7, as that is 9/10ths of the
current system footprint.  We do have the "goldilocks" patches for bits in
win 7 applied in the test images.

We are also using the GPO based Bits policy, I believe using the "win7"
bits version policy, but will double check tomorrow. We also have the
"ignore" policies for subnet transfers, in the gpo. Definitely not using
configmgr based Bits policy.

Will try what you suggested about testing the branchcach via IE from our
troubled system, was not something that had occurred to me.

Thanks again everybody.
On Jul 21, 2016 17:53, "Phil Wilcock"  wrote:

Pretty sure that the Foreground issue was fixed in Current Branch.



Also relevant is the OS version and the type of policy that you are using –
if Win7 there are a couple of hotfixes that you need that stop BITS from
ignoring policy, and even in Win10 there were still some minor bugs until
recent builds affecting BITS policy. Using the built-in ConfigMgr policy is
not as effective as using the newer policies for Work and Maintenance
schedules, which also allow you to specify that peer transfers using
BranchCache ignore the rate limits if on the same subnet..



Regarding the machine that’s going back to the DP – check the BITS log for
errors, and try to grab the same content using IE and see if BranchCache
behaves the same.



Phil







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*To:* mssms@lists.myitforum.com
*Subject:* [mssms] Bits and BranchCache revisited



Finally have some real feedback about BranchCache and BITS.  Got our site
built and began unit testing, What we found so far;



1. Seems like all Package and Program downloads are BITS background
transfers, so they follow rate limits, however, User initiated Application
downloads STILL happen in the foreground.  Anyone seen any documentation
that explains that?



2. Seeing a single test machine that randomly seems to have issues as large
transfers from Branchcache are occuring.  The system becomes unstable,
freezes as the hybrid drive software (lenovo expresscache) seems to peg the
HD, as this is occuring, the transfer from cache seems to stop, and it
begins to transfer from the DP.  Then randomly, back to the BranchCache.
Seems to happen with any type of "Cacheable" content, but only user
initiated Application installs seem to ignore the BITS rate limits. Anyone
seen this behavior?  Have any documentation that can explain it?



We haven't yet debugged the problem laptop yet, but theoretically, all of
our test systems are identical.



Long story short, it makes it impossible to use self service with the
AppCatalog if we can't reasonably plan for when this type of issue might
occur in this BranchCache with BITS model.  If all Application based pushes
need to be background, we can't use self service.



Please let me know your thoughts.

RE: [mssms] Bits and BranchCache revisited

[Phil Wilcock]

Pretty sure that the Foreground issue was fixed in Current Branch.

Also relevant is the OS version and the type of policy that you are using – if 
Win7 there are a couple of hotfixes that you need that stop BITS from ignoring 
policy, and even in Win10 there were still some minor bugs until recent builds 
affecting BITS policy. Using the built-in ConfigMgr policy is not as effective 
as using the newer policies for Work and Maintenance schedules, which also 
allow you to specify that peer transfers using BranchCache ignore the rate 
limits if on the same subnet..

Regarding the machine that’s going back to the DP – check the BITS log for 
errors, and try to grab the same content using IE and see if BranchCache 
behaves the same.

Phil



From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On 
Behalf Of Jay Marsett
Sent: 21 July 2016 18:57
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: [mssms] Bits and BranchCache revisited

Finally have some real feedback about BranchCache and BITS.  Got our site built 
and began unit testing, What we found so far;

1. Seems like all Package and Program downloads are BITS background transfers, 
so they follow rate limits, however, User initiated Application downloads STILL 
happen in the foreground.  Anyone seen any documentation that explains that?

2. Seeing a single test machine that randomly seems to have issues as large 
transfers from Branchcache are occuring.  The system becomes unstable, freezes 
as the hybrid drive software (lenovo expresscache) seems to peg the HD, as this 
is occuring, the transfer from cache seems to stop, and it begins to transfer 
from the DP.  Then randomly, back to the BranchCache.  Seems to happen with any 
type of "Cacheable" content, but only user initiated Application installs seem 
to ignore the BITS rate limits. Anyone seen this behavior?  Have any 
documentation that can explain it?

We haven't yet debugged the problem laptop yet, but theoretically, all of our 
test systems are identical.

Long story short, it makes it impossible to use self service with the 
AppCatalog if we can't reasonably plan for when this type of issue might occur 
in this BranchCache with BITS model.  If all Application based pushes need to 
be background, we can't use self service.

Please let me know your thoughts.

RE: [mssms] Bits and BranchCache revisited

[Jay Marsett]

We are current branch 1602.

To be specific, our testing from the application model has deployments set
to run as system whether or not the deployment is user or system based.
When the deployment runs optionally, the bits job is created by system and
the job runs foreground and ignores BITS rate limits.

With legacy package and program deployments, also set to always "run as
sysyem", when the optional deployment is run, the bits job is created as
the user, and it happens in  the background, following our rate limits.

As to #2, it just happens randomly that the transfer switches back and
forth between the branch cache and the dp. When it happens with a package
and program, it seems that bits rules are at least followed.
On Jul 21, 2016 13:38, "Michael Niehaus" 
wrote:

> On #1, can you clarify the version of ConfigMgr you are using?  My
> understanding is that the behavior you described is as expected, but that
> this changed in the most recent current branch release to always be a
> background transfer.
>
>
>
> No idea what’s going on with #2, but it would be interesting to see if it
> happens with a different PC.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Michael
>
>
>
> *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:
> listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] *On Behalf Of *Jay Marsett
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2016 10:57 AM
> *To:* mssms@lists.myitforum.com
> *Subject:* [mssms] Bits and BranchCache revisited
>
>
>
> Finally have some real feedback about BranchCache and BITS.  Got our site
> built and began unit testing, What we found so far;
>
>
>
> 1. Seems like all Package and Program downloads are BITS background
> transfers, so they follow rate limits, however, User initiated Application
> downloads STILL happen in the foreground.  Anyone seen any documentation
> that explains that?
>
>
>
> 2. Seeing a single test machine that randomly seems to have issues as
> large transfers from Branchcache are occuring.  The system becomes
> unstable, freezes as the hybrid drive software (lenovo expresscache) seems
> to peg the HD, as this is occuring, the transfer from cache seems to stop,
> and it begins to transfer from the DP.  Then randomly, back to the
> BranchCache.  Seems to happen with any type of "Cacheable" content, but
> only user initiated Application installs seem to ignore the BITS rate
> limits. Anyone seen this behavior?  Have any documentation that can explain
> it?
>
>
>
> We haven't yet debugged the problem laptop yet, but theoretically, all of
> our test systems are identical.
>
>
>
> Long story short, it makes it impossible to use self service with the
> AppCatalog if we can't reasonably plan for when this type of issue might
> occur in this BranchCache with BITS model.  If all Application based pushes
> need to be background, we can't use self service.
>
>
>
> Please let me know your thoughts.
>
>
>
>

RE: [mssms] Bits and BranchCache revisited

[Andreas Hammarskjöld]

Beaten by Niehaus, shame on me!

#1 is why also why our free StifleR client resets any FOREGROUND over a certain 
size to be high or normal depending on your config. But then we found that this 
wasn’t the case any more… gah! But sure its fixed in 1602 at least, maybe even 
1511? Maybe I haven’t tried Apps and only pgk/prg and TS? Hmm…

#2 BC is not so disk intensive, more CPU intensive. Still typically you hardly 
notice when a machine is pulling from it unless it’s a 3GB .wim and you only 
have one client to pull from. Then you will see some action. Still then it’s 
only pulling with 60Mb/s so modern machines should hardly sweat. Can you pull 
the same file of it using Explorer without any issues?

/A

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Behalf Of Michael Niehaus
Sent: den 21 juli 2016 20:33
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: RE: [mssms] Bits and BranchCache revisited

On #1, can you clarify the version of ConfigMgr you are using?  My 
understanding is that the behavior you described is as expected, but that this 
changed in the most recent current branch release to always be a background 
transfer.

No idea what’s going on with #2, but it would be interesting to see if it 
happens with a different PC.

Thanks,
-Michael

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Jay Marsett
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 10:57 AM
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: [mssms] Bits and BranchCache revisited

Finally have some real feedback about BranchCache and BITS.  Got our site built 
and began unit testing, What we found so far;

1. Seems like all Package and Program downloads are BITS background transfers, 
so they follow rate limits, however, User initiated Application downloads STILL 
happen in the foreground.  Anyone seen any documentation that explains that?

2. Seeing a single test machine that randomly seems to have issues as large 
transfers from Branchcache are occuring.  The system becomes unstable, freezes 
as the hybrid drive software (lenovo expresscache) seems to peg the HD, as this 
is occuring, the transfer from cache seems to stop, and it begins to transfer 
from the DP.  Then randomly, back to the BranchCache.  Seems to happen with any 
type of "Cacheable" content, but only user initiated Application installs seem 
to ignore the BITS rate limits. Anyone seen this behavior?  Have any 
documentation that can explain it?

We haven't yet debugged the problem laptop yet, but theoretically, all of our 
test systems are identical.

Long story short, it makes it impossible to use self service with the 
AppCatalog if we can't reasonably plan for when this type of issue might occur 
in this BranchCache with BITS model.  If all Application based pushes need to 
be background, we can't use self service.

Please let me know your thoughts.

RE: [mssms] Bits and BranchCache revisited

[Michael Niehaus]

On #1, can you clarify the version of ConfigMgr you are using?  My 
understanding is that the behavior you described is as expected, but that this 
changed in the most recent current branch release to always be a background 
transfer.

No idea what’s going on with #2, but it would be interesting to see if it 
happens with a different PC.

Thanks,
-Michael

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On 
Behalf Of Jay Marsett
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 10:57 AM
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: [mssms] Bits and BranchCache revisited

Finally have some real feedback about BranchCache and BITS.  Got our site built 
and began unit testing, What we found so far;

1. Seems like all Package and Program downloads are BITS background transfers, 
so they follow rate limits, however, User initiated Application downloads STILL 
happen in the foreground.  Anyone seen any documentation that explains that?

2. Seeing a single test machine that randomly seems to have issues as large 
transfers from Branchcache are occuring.  The system becomes unstable, freezes 
as the hybrid drive software (lenovo expresscache) seems to peg the HD, as this 
is occuring, the transfer from cache seems to stop, and it begins to transfer 
from the DP.  Then randomly, back to the BranchCache.  Seems to happen with any 
type of "Cacheable" content, but only user initiated Application installs seem 
to ignore the BITS rate limits. Anyone seen this behavior?  Have any 
documentation that can explain it?

We haven't yet debugged the problem laptop yet, but theoretically, all of our 
test systems are identical.

Long story short, it makes it impossible to use self service with the 
AppCatalog if we can't reasonably plan for when this type of issue might occur 
in this BranchCache with BITS model.  If all Application based pushes need to 
be background, we can't use self service.

Please let me know your thoughts.

[mssms] Bits and BranchCache revisited

[Jay Marsett]

Finally have some real feedback about BranchCache and BITS.  Got our site
built and began unit testing, What we found so far;

1. Seems like all Package and Program downloads are BITS background
transfers, so they follow rate limits, however, User initiated Application
downloads STILL happen in the foreground.  Anyone seen any documentation
that explains that?

2. Seeing a single test machine that randomly seems to have issues as large
transfers from Branchcache are occuring.  The system becomes unstable,
freezes as the hybrid drive software (lenovo expresscache) seems to peg the
HD, as this is occuring, the transfer from cache seems to stop, and it
begins to transfer from the DP.  Then randomly, back to the BranchCache.
Seems to happen with any type of "Cacheable" content, but only user
initiated Application installs seem to ignore the BITS rate limits. Anyone
seen this behavior?  Have any documentation that can explain it?

We haven't yet debugged the problem laptop yet, but theoretically, all of
our test systems are identical.

Long story short, it makes it impossible to use self service with the
AppCatalog if we can't reasonably plan for when this type of issue might
occur in this BranchCache with BITS model.  If all Application based pushes
need to be background, we can't use self service.

Please let me know your thoughts.

[mssms] RE: Does OSDApplyOS.exe log anywhere?

[Marable, Mike]

No, we’re a DDPE shop but that isn’t in play here.  We’re not doing whole disk 
encryption and the encryption sweep doesn’t happen until after the build is 
complete.

While adjusting the Power Profile in PE helped a little, what seems to be 
showing great promise is moving to the 1511 ADK/WinPE (from the RTM version).

I took the 1511 boot WIMs and applied the fix from Microsoft.  Using those seem 
to eliminate the problem completely in testing.

Mike

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On 
Behalf Of Atkinson, Wade A
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 10:29 AM
To: mdt...@lists.myitforum.com; mssms@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: [MDT-OSD] RE: Does OSDApplyOS.exe log anywhere?

You don’t have any integrated drivers for 3rd party encryption or other file 
level filter drivers in your WinPE do you?

I have a ticket open with Dell’s DDPE department for a similar issue.  
Basically the filter driver is causing a slowdown per file, so the download of 
the WIM is fine, one file, but when extracts the 1000s of files on the disk it 
really slows things down.

Wade

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Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 10:39 PM
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com; 
mdt...@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: [MDT-OSD] Does OSDApplyOS.exe log anywhere?

I’m trying to troubleshoot some slow performance when applying the image during 
an OS deployment since upgrading our site to SCCM 1511.

The WIM file is downloaded rapidly from the Distribution Points to the local 
cache, but when SCCM begins applying it to the hard drive it seems to slow way 
down.  Below is the SMSTS log of a sample machine.  It took a little over 20 
minutes to apply the ~6GB image and this was on an SSD.  I have seen it take 
well over a few hours for the image to apply (again on an SSD), so while the 20 
minutes in this log may not seem too bad, there is definitely a problem I need 
to get sorted out.

Is there any logging that would show what is happening between the two 
highlighted log entries?


[cid:image001.png@01D1E343.75B6C000]

 Thanks

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[mssms] Re: Query help

[Garth Jones]

There are a couple thing that you need to look at.


First subselect queries can only have one column.

Secondly, you likely need an Left outer join on the Reg key within the main 
query.

Third, you use always use ResourceID for your "not in"

Fourthly, Understand that the IP address that you are displaying is all KNOWN 
IP address for that system, not just the current IP address.

Fifthly,  Starting with CM12 v_r_system will/can include system that have been 
deleted. user v_R_system_valid instead.


I edited the query by hand, I'm not need my desk so I couldn't test this query, 
so watch out for typos.


SELECT DISTINCT
 sys.NetBIOS_name0 as 'PC Name',
 ip.IP_Addresses0 as 'IP address',
 sys.User_Name0 as 'User Name',
 REG.Value0 as 'Reg Value'
FROM
 dbo.v_r_system_Valid sys
 join dbo.v_RA_System_IPAddresses ip on sys.ResourceID = ip.ResourceID=
 Left outer join dbo.v_GS_Registry_Values0 REG on sys.ResourceID = 
REG.ResourceID
where  sys.ResourceID not in
 (
  SELECT
   sys.ResourceID
  FROM
   dbo.v_r_system_valid sys
   join CM_SC1.dbo.v_RA_System_IPAddresses ip on sys.ResourceID = ip.ResourceID
   join CM_SC1.dbo.v_GS_Registry_Values0 REG on sys.ResourceID = REG.ResourceID
  where
   reg.Value0 like '%Something%'
   and ip.IP_Addresses0 like '10.0%')





From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com  on behalf 
of David McSpadden 
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 9:17:46 AM
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(patchmanagem...@listserv.patchmanagement.org); mssms@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: [mssms] Query help

I have this query:
SELECT DISTINCT
sys1.[NetBIOS_name0] ,
ip.IP_Addresses0,
sys1.User_Name0,
REG.Value0
  FROM [CM_SC1].[dbo].[v_r_system] sys1
  join CM_SC1.dbo.v_RA_System_IPAddresses ip on ip.ResourceID=sys1.ResourceID
  join CM_SC1.dbo.v_GS_Registry_Values0 REG on REG.ResourceID=sys1.ResourceID
  where reg.Value0 like '%Something%'
  and ip.IP_Addresses0 like '10.0%'

And it returns all pc that have the registry value of %something%.

I would like to actually get a report of all other workstations that do not 
have this registry value of %something%.
So I thought making the above query a sub query I would get my results.
I however get 0 results:

SELECT DISTINCT
sys1.[NetBIOS_name0] ,
ip.IP_Addresses0,
sys1.User_Name0,
REG.Value0
  FROM [CM_SC1].[dbo].[v_r_system] sys1
  join CM_SC1.dbo.v_RA_System_IPAddresses ip on ip.ResourceID=sys1.ResourceID
  join CM_SC1.dbo.v_GS_Registry_Values0 REG on REG.ResourceID=sys1.ResourceID
  where  ip.IP_Addresses0 not in
  (
SELECT DISTINCT
sys1.[NetBIOS_name0] ,
ip.IP_Addresses0,
sys1.User_Name0,
REG.Value0
  FROM [CM_SC1].[dbo].[v_r_system] sys1
  join CM_SC1.dbo.v_RA_System_IPAddresses ip on ip.ResourceID=sys1.ResourceID
  join CM_SC1.dbo.v_GS_Registry_Values0 REG on REG.ResourceID=sys1.ResourceID
  where reg.Value0 like '%Something%'
  and ip.IP_Addresses0 like '10.0%')




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[mssms] RE: Query help

[David McSpadden]

Fixed it:
SELECT DISTINCT
sys1.[NetBIOS_name0] ,
ip.IP_Addresses0,
sys1.User_Name0
  FROM [CM_SC1].[dbo].[v_r_system] sys1
  join CM_SC1.dbo.v_RA_System_IPAddresses ip on ip.ResourceID=sys1.ResourceID
  join CM_SC1.dbo.v_GS_Registry_Values0 REG on REG.ResourceID=sys1.ResourceID
  JOIN CM_SC1.dbo.v_GS_OPERATING_SYSTEM OS ON OS.ResourceID=sys1.ResourceID
  where  ip.IP_Addresses0 not in
  (
SELECT
ip.IP_Addresses0
  FROM [CM_SC1].[dbo].[v_r_system] sys1
  join CM_SC1.dbo.v_RA_System_IPAddresses ip on ip.ResourceID=sys1.ResourceID
  join CM_SC1.dbo.v_GS_Registry_Values0 REG on REG.ResourceID=sys1.ResourceID
  where reg.Value0 like '%Something%')
  and ip.IP_Addresses0 like '%10.0.%'
  and os.Caption0 not like '%Server%'

This produces the correct results.



From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On 
Behalf Of Mawdsley R.
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 9:34 AM
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: [mssms] RE: Query help

Would simply switching it from 'like' to 'not like' do it?

Rich

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Sent: 21 July 2016 14:18
To: Patch Management Mailing List 
(patchmanagem...@listserv.patchmanagement.org)
 
mailto:patchmanagem...@listserv.patchmanagement.org>>;
 mssms@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: [mssms] Query help

I have this query:
SELECT DISTINCT
sys1.[NetBIOS_name0] ,
ip.IP_Addresses0,
sys1.User_Name0,
REG.Value0
  FROM [CM_SC1].[dbo].[v_r_system] sys1
  join CM_SC1.dbo.v_RA_System_IPAddresses ip on ip.ResourceID=sys1.ResourceID
  join CM_SC1.dbo.v_GS_Registry_Values0 REG on REG.ResourceID=sys1.ResourceID
  where reg.Value0 like '%Something%'
  and ip.IP_Addresses0 like '10.0%'

And it returns all pc that have the registry value of %something%.

I would like to actually get a report of all other workstations that do not 
have this registry value of %something%.
So I thought making the above query a sub query I would get my results.
I however get 0 results:

SELECT DISTINCT
sys1.[NetBIOS_name0] ,
ip.IP_Addresses0,
sys1.User_Name0,
REG.Value0
  FROM [CM_SC1].[dbo].[v_r_system] sys1
  join CM_SC1.dbo.v_RA_System_IPAddresses ip on ip.ResourceID=sys1.ResourceID
  join CM_SC1.dbo.v_GS_Registry_Values0 REG on REG.ResourceID=sys1.ResourceID
  where  ip.IP_Addresses0 not in
  (
SELECT DISTINCT
sys1.[NetBIOS_name0] ,
ip.IP_Addresses0,
sys1.User_Name0,
REG.Value0
  FROM [CM_SC1].[dbo].[v_r_system] sys1
  join CM_SC1.dbo.v_RA_System_IPAddresses ip on ip.ResourceID=sys1.ResourceID
  join CM_SC1.dbo.v_GS_Registry_Values0 REG on REG.ResourceID=sys1.ResourceID
  where reg.Value0 like '%Something%'
  and ip.IP_Addresses0 like '10.0%')




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[mssms] RE: Current Branch - Safe to go all virtual servers?

[Burke, John]

Thanks for all the replies.

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On 
Behalf Of Daniel Ratliff
Sent: July-19-16 3:39 PM
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: [mssms] RE: Current Branch - Safe to go all virtual servers?

Been running all virtual since about 2011. 72k clients, CAS + 3 Primaries. So 
happy to be moving to a single site in a couple weeks!

Daniel Ratliff

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To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: [mssms] Current Branch - Safe to go all virtual servers?

Hi folks,

We got a little push back against going physical and perhaps my thinking is out 
of date.  In the past we have gotten burned by I/O on virtual servers when we 
had a primary virtual server.  Would you folks say it’s ok to have virtual 
servers for primary and secondary sites now a days?


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[mssms] RE: sccm 2012 r2 sp1-->1602 questions

[Brian Illner]

Could you elaborate more on the issues that occur from the in place upgrades? 
We're looking at upgrading ConfigMgr from 2012R2SP1 in the near future.

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Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 3:35 PM
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: [mssms] RE: sccm 2012 r2 sp1-->1602 questions

I choose building a new environment. We needed to update server os and sql 
version. I've also heard through the MS grapevine there have been issues doing 
in place upgrades to 1511/1602.

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Subject: [mssms] RE: sccm 2012 r2 sp1-->1602 questions

Maybe it's me, but wouldn't it just be simpler to build a whole new server with 
the latest OS, SQL, and ConfigMgr and then just migrate over the clients and 
everything else?

Granted my environment is less complicated and fewer clients than most.  I've 
never been in fan of in-place upgrades.

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I have a VERY stable single primary Hyperv guest with OS = 2008 r2, 8 procs, 
32Gb ram, sql 2012 installed local, wsus 3.2 installed local with sql DB local, 
reporting services point also local with many custom reports.

I think I have sufficiently laid out the mine field...

So, I'm starting to make my task list for getting to 1602

Is there anything GLARINGLY wrong with this below? Or are the suggestions you 
would make to ease the update process?


· Reboot server

· Full sccm application backup

· Full backup of reporting db

· Full sccm server backup

· <-- deinstall current windows ADK

· --> install newer 1511 ADK

· --> install ADK patch and do manual process documented in kb3143760

· --> update mdt

· --> sccm 2012 current branch 1511

· --> current branch 1602

· <-- deinstall software update point

· <-- deinstall wsus role

· Delete old wsus db

· --> in place primary server OS upgrade to 2012 r2 sp1

· --> install wsus role and windows 10 hotfix

· --> install software update point

· --> in place upgrade of SQL to 2014

· --> upgrade SCCM clients




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[mssms] RE: Query help

[Mawdsley R.]

Would simply switching it from 'like' to 'not like' do it?

Rich

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Subject: [mssms] Query help

I have this query:
SELECT DISTINCT
sys1.[NetBIOS_name0] ,
ip.IP_Addresses0,
sys1.User_Name0,
REG.Value0
  FROM [CM_SC1].[dbo].[v_r_system] sys1
  join CM_SC1.dbo.v_RA_System_IPAddresses ip on ip.ResourceID=sys1.ResourceID
  join CM_SC1.dbo.v_GS_Registry_Values0 REG on REG.ResourceID=sys1.ResourceID
  where reg.Value0 like '%Something%'
  and ip.IP_Addresses0 like '10.0%'

And it returns all pc that have the registry value of %something%.

I would like to actually get a report of all other workstations that do not 
have this registry value of %something%.
So I thought making the above query a sub query I would get my results.
I however get 0 results:

SELECT DISTINCT
sys1.[NetBIOS_name0] ,
ip.IP_Addresses0,
sys1.User_Name0,
REG.Value0
  FROM [CM_SC1].[dbo].[v_r_system] sys1
  join CM_SC1.dbo.v_RA_System_IPAddresses ip on ip.ResourceID=sys1.ResourceID
  join CM_SC1.dbo.v_GS_Registry_Values0 REG on REG.ResourceID=sys1.ResourceID
  where  ip.IP_Addresses0 not in
  (
SELECT DISTINCT
sys1.[NetBIOS_name0] ,
ip.IP_Addresses0,
sys1.User_Name0,
REG.Value0
  FROM [CM_SC1].[dbo].[v_r_system] sys1
  join CM_SC1.dbo.v_RA_System_IPAddresses ip on ip.ResourceID=sys1.ResourceID
  join CM_SC1.dbo.v_GS_Registry_Values0 REG on REG.ResourceID=sys1.ResourceID
  where reg.Value0 like '%Something%'
  and ip.IP_Addresses0 like '10.0%')




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Re: [mssms] Query help

[Andrew Sanders]

You could always write a Configuration Item / Baseline to report on a
missing registry key. Might make life a little bit easier...

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 9:17 AM, David McSpadden  wrote:

> I have this query:
>
> SELECT DISTINCT
>
> sys1.[NetBIOS_name0] ,
>
> ip.IP_Addresses0,
>
> sys1.User_Name0,
>
> REG.Value0
>
>   FROM [CM_SC1].[dbo].[v_r_system] sys1
>
>   join CM_SC1.dbo.v_RA_System_IPAddresses ip on ip.ResourceID=sys1.
> ResourceID
>
>   join CM_SC1.dbo.v_GS_Registry_Values0 REG on REG.ResourceID=sys1.ResourceID
>
>
>   where reg.Value0 like '%Something%'
>
>   and ip.IP_Addresses0 like '10.0%'
>
>
>
> And it returns all pc that have the registry value of %something%.
>
>
>
> I would like to actually get a report of all other workstations that do
> not have this registry value of %something%.
>
> So I thought making the above query a sub query I would get my results.
>
> I however get 0 results:
>
>
>
> SELECT DISTINCT
>
> sys1.[NetBIOS_name0] ,
>
> ip.IP_Addresses0,
>
> sys1.User_Name0,
>
> REG.Value0
>
>   FROM [CM_SC1].[dbo].[v_r_system] sys1
>
>   join CM_SC1.dbo.v_RA_System_IPAddresses ip on ip.ResourceID=sys1.
> ResourceID
>
>   join CM_SC1.dbo.v_GS_Registry_Values0 REG on REG.ResourceID=sys1.ResourceID
>
>
>   where  ip.IP_Addresses0 not in
>
>   (
>
> SELECT DISTINCT
>
> sys1.[NetBIOS_name0] ,
>
> ip.IP_Addresses0,
>
> sys1.User_Name0,
>
> REG.Value0
>
>   FROM [CM_SC1].[dbo].[v_r_system] sys1
>
>   join CM_SC1.dbo.v_RA_System_IPAddresses ip on ip.ResourceID=sys1.
> ResourceID
>
>   join CM_SC1.dbo.v_GS_Registry_Values0 REG on REG.ResourceID=sys1.ResourceID
>
>
>   where reg.Value0 like '%Something%'
>
>   and ip.IP_Addresses0 like '10.0%')
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[mssms] Query help

[David McSpadden]

I have this query:
SELECT DISTINCT
sys1.[NetBIOS_name0] ,
ip.IP_Addresses0,
sys1.User_Name0,
REG.Value0
  FROM [CM_SC1].[dbo].[v_r_system] sys1
  join CM_SC1.dbo.v_RA_System_IPAddresses ip on ip.ResourceID=sys1.ResourceID
  join CM_SC1.dbo.v_GS_Registry_Values0 REG on REG.ResourceID=sys1.ResourceID
  where reg.Value0 like '%Something%'
  and ip.IP_Addresses0 like '10.0%'

And it returns all pc that have the registry value of %something%.

I would like to actually get a report of all other workstations that do not 
have this registry value of %something%.
So I thought making the above query a sub query I would get my results.
I however get 0 results:

SELECT DISTINCT
sys1.[NetBIOS_name0] ,
ip.IP_Addresses0,
sys1.User_Name0,
REG.Value0
  FROM [CM_SC1].[dbo].[v_r_system] sys1
  join CM_SC1.dbo.v_RA_System_IPAddresses ip on ip.ResourceID=sys1.ResourceID
  join CM_SC1.dbo.v_GS_Registry_Values0 REG on REG.ResourceID=sys1.ResourceID
  where  ip.IP_Addresses0 not in
  (
SELECT DISTINCT
sys1.[NetBIOS_name0] ,
ip.IP_Addresses0,
sys1.User_Name0,
REG.Value0
  FROM [CM_SC1].[dbo].[v_r_system] sys1
  join CM_SC1.dbo.v_RA_System_IPAddresses ip on ip.ResourceID=sys1.ResourceID
  join CM_SC1.dbo.v_GS_Registry_Values0 REG on REG.ResourceID=sys1.ResourceID
  where reg.Value0 like '%Something%'
  and ip.IP_Addresses0 like '10.0%')




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Re: [mssms] RE: SCCM OSD task sequence - W10 with OS and DATA partitions

[Joe Sestrich]

30 gb will fill up in about a week and second partitions will cause you no end 
of grief

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 20, 2016, at 8:49 PM, Jason Sandys  wrote:
> 
> Why, oh why? Do you like causing pain? 30GB is not nearly enough anymore more 
> an OS volume and having 2 volumes on anything but a server will cause you 
> endless pain in the future and provide zero benefits.
>  
> J
>  
> From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] 
> On Behalf Of Fast, David D.
> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 3:36 PM
> To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com
> Subject: [mssms] SCCM OSD task sequence - W10 with OS and DATA partitions
>  
> I am trying to create a bare metal / wipe and load task sequence for SCCM OSD 
> of Windows 10 for deployment to systems with Legacy BIOS/MBR.  I need to 
> configure the OSDrive partition for a set size of 30GB, with all remaining 
> space assigned to an NTFS data partition.  How do I need to configure the 
> partition settings in the task sequence?  I have a task sequence that runs 
> all the way through to completion with no errors, but when the system gets 
> rebooted there is “no operating system found”.
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> David
>  
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RE: [mssms] RE: SCCM OSD task sequence - W10 with OS and DATA partitions

[Marable, Mike]

I think Joe is channeling his inner poet.  ;-)

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Behalf Of Joe Sestrich
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:29 AM
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: Re: [mssms] RE: SCCM OSD task sequence - W10 with OS and DATA 
partitions

30 gb will fill up in about a week and second partitions will cause you no end 
of grief

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 20, 2016, at 8:49 PM, Jason Sandys 
mailto:ja...@sandys.us>> wrote:
Why, oh why? Do you like causing pain? 30GB is not nearly enough anymore more 
an OS volume and having 2 volumes on anything but a server will cause you 
endless pain in the future and provide zero benefits.

J

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[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Fast, David D.
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 3:36 PM
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: [mssms] SCCM OSD task sequence - W10 with OS and DATA partitions

I am trying to create a bare metal / wipe and load task sequence for SCCM OSD 
of Windows 10 for deployment to systems with Legacy BIOS/MBR.  I need to 
configure the OSDrive partition for a set size of 30GB, with all remaining 
space assigned to an NTFS data partition.  How do I need to configure the 
partition settings in the task sequence?  I have a task sequence that runs all 
the way through to completion with no errors, but when the system gets rebooted 
there is “no operating system found”.

Thanks,

David



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RE: [mssms] RE: SCCM OSD task sequence - W10 with OS and DATA partitions

[Marable, Mike]

Here is what we used to use.

Format and Partition Disk
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We would use an 80GB partition for the OS and applications.  That was starting 
to come up sort as some of our larger applications became even larger.  So I 
don’t think 30GB is ever going to work.  Personally, if it were me, I would use 
at least 100GB for the OS partition, at least.  In our environment we started 
to install applications on the Data partition simply because the OS partition 
wasn’t big enough.  Our decision to go with 80GB 7+ years ago wasn’t enough any 
longer.

In the properties of the OS-APPS partition we would specify a variable for SCCM 
to track the drive letter. Just like Andrew said in his email.
[cid:image002.png@01D1E321.375442F0]

Finally, in the Apply Operating System action we specified to apply the image 
to the drive stored in that variable (just like Andrew).
[cid:image003.png@01D1E322.9F983280]

Again though, it was a lot of headaches to maintain dual partitions.  It 
required a lot of special code on our part to “handle” it in our task sequence. 
 For example, since the goal of the dual partition was that the users’ folders 
were redirected on a rebuild we would leave that partition untouched.  So, that 
meant we could not repartition the drive (or we would lose all the users’ 
data).  We had to put all sorts of checks and conditions and custom scripts 
that would allow the tech building the machine the option to reparation the 
drive, turning on/off USMT backups, backing up only application settings off of 
the C drive while ignoring D, manually formatting the C drive… It goes on and 
on.

Using just a single partition simplified it for us.  Every build repartitions 
the disk and the tech just has to decide if they want to use USMT to migrate 
data and settings.  No special scripts to handle one partition or the other.

Hope this helps.

Mike



From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On 
Behalf Of Marable, Mike
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 6:32 AM
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: Re: [mssms] RE: SCCM OSD task sequence - W10 with OS and DATA 
partitions

It is true.  I can tell you from experience that multipartitions can be a 
headache.  I only recently was able to convince work to go back to a single 
partition and it simplifies our build so much.

I’ll be in the office shortly, so I can send you what we were doing if that 
will help.

From: mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>> 
on behalf of Andreas Hammarskjöld 
mailto:jun...@2pintsoftware.com>>
Reply-To: "mssms@lists.myitforum.com" 
mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com>>
Date: Thursday, July 21, 2016 at 2:38 AM
To: "mssms@lists.myitforum.com" 
mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com>>
Subject: [mssms] RE: SCCM OSD task sequence - W10 with OS and DATA partitions

+11 the rest of the world stopped with multipart after NT4! The some people 
didn’t get the memo and continued for a while with 2000/XP.

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[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Jason Sandys
Sent: den 21 juli 2016 02:50
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: [mssms] RE: SCCM OSD task sequence - W10 with OS and DATA partitions

Why, oh why? Do you like causing pain? 30GB is not nearly enough anymore more 
an OS volume and having 2 volumes on anything but a server will cause you 
endless pain in the future and provide zero benefits.

J

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[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Fast, David D.
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 3:36 PM
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: [mssms] SCCM OSD task sequence - W10 with OS and DATA partitions

I am trying to create a bare metal / wipe and load task sequence for SCCM OSD 
of Windows 10 for deployment to systems with Legacy BIOS/MBR.  I need to 
configure the OSDrive partition for a set size of 30GB, with all remaining 
space assigned to an NTFS data partition.  How do I need to configure the 
partition settings in the task sequence?  I have a task sequence that runs all 
the way through to completion with no errors, but when the system gets rebooted 
there is “no operating system found”.

Thanks,

David



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Re: [mssms] RE: SCCM OSD task sequence - W10 with OS and DATA partitions

[Marable, Mike]

It is true.  I can tell you from experience that multipartitions can be a 
headache.  I only recently was able to convince work to go back to a single 
partition and it simplifies our build so much.

I’ll be in the office shortly, so I can send you what we were doing if that 
will help.

From:  on behalf of Andreas Hammarskjöld 

Reply-To: "mssms@lists.myitforum.com" 
Date: Thursday, July 21, 2016 at 2:38 AM
To: "mssms@lists.myitforum.com" 
Subject: [mssms] RE: SCCM OSD task sequence - W10 with OS and DATA partitions

+11 the rest of the world stopped with multipart after NT4! The some people 
didn’t get the memo and continued for a while with 2000/XP.

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On 
Behalf Of Jason Sandys
Sent: den 21 juli 2016 02:50
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: [mssms] RE: SCCM OSD task sequence - W10 with OS and DATA partitions

Why, oh why? Do you like causing pain? 30GB is not nearly enough anymore more 
an OS volume and having 2 volumes on anything but a server will cause you 
endless pain in the future and provide zero benefits.

J

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Fast, David D.
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 3:36 PM
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: [mssms] SCCM OSD task sequence - W10 with OS and DATA partitions

I am trying to create a bare metal / wipe and load task sequence for SCCM OSD 
of Windows 10 for deployment to systems with Legacy BIOS/MBR.  I need to 
configure the OSDrive partition for a set size of 30GB, with all remaining 
space assigned to an NTFS data partition.  How do I need to configure the 
partition settings in the task sequence?  I have a task sequence that runs all 
the way through to completion with no errors, but when the system gets rebooted 
there is “no operating system found”.

Thanks,

David



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[mssms] RE: SCCM OSD task sequence - W10 with OS and DATA partitions

[Andreas Hammarskjöld]

+11 the rest of the world stopped with multipart after NT4! The some people 
didn't get the memo and continued for a while with 2000/XP.

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On 
Behalf Of Jason Sandys
Sent: den 21 juli 2016 02:50
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: [mssms] RE: SCCM OSD task sequence - W10 with OS and DATA partitions

Why, oh why? Do you like causing pain? 30GB is not nearly enough anymore more 
an OS volume and having 2 volumes on anything but a server will cause you 
endless pain in the future and provide zero benefits.

J

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Fast, David D.
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 3:36 PM
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: [mssms] SCCM OSD task sequence - W10 with OS and DATA partitions

I am trying to create a bare metal / wipe and load task sequence for SCCM OSD 
of Windows 10 for deployment to systems with Legacy BIOS/MBR.  I need to 
configure the OSDrive partition for a set size of 30GB, with all remaining 
space assigned to an NTFS data partition.  How do I need to configure the 
partition settings in the task sequence?  I have a task sequence that runs all 
the way through to completion with no errors, but when the system gets rebooted 
there is "no operating system found".

Thanks,

David



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