Re: [mb-style] RFV-346. Style/Language/Vietnamese : Punctuation change
Thanks nikki. I guess we wait that both Foolip and I should agree this statement. I want to emphasize that this statement is neither pro-foolip nor pro-jesus2099, it is neutral. I agree, Nikki. I accept. I already agreed to drop my expectations in my RFC, [back in january][2012-01-13]*. Thanks, :) Tristan. (*) BTW I now see that I didn’t really explained well this expectation drop. This post of mine didn’t really explain that I agreed to completely abandon my punctuation chapter (it was only visible in the RFC wiki page, for the people who chatted IRC and who already read it and could [compare before/after][51289]). Maybe that’s why Foolip then opposed straight away. [2012-01-13]: http://musicbrainz.1054305.n4.nabble.com/RFC-346-Style-Language-Vietnamese-Punctuation-change-tp4226419p4292622.html [51289]: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/?title=User:jesus2099/Style/Language/Vietnamesediff=prevoldid=51289 - mb : http://musicbrainz.org/user/jesus2099 mb userscripts : http://userscripts.org/users/31010/scripts black hole : *@jetable.org (stuff sent there won’t reach anyone) crap® : jesus2099, Ti, Tristan, patate12, saucisson7, so6on, so6on7, TRISTANVS, M. PATATE, j2-, J2♥, Trí Tân, 鳥, トリ29, TD., iCAT, … -- View this message in context: http://musicbrainz.1054305.n4.nabble.com/RFC-346-Style-Language-Vietnamese-Punctuation-change-tp4226419p4427698.html Sent from the Musicbrainz - Style mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] RFC-359: Allow links to video channels on sites other than Youtube
Hm, no +1s from anyone else? Then +1 from me. It's been long enough that you should be able to send an RFV when you're ready. Nikki Calvin Walton wrote: Was RFC-358 - renumbered due to conflicts. Please continue any discussion in this thread! I have made some of the updates suggested by nikki. In particular: * The list of URLs is now in the proposal page, and will be added to Style/Relationships/URLs if the proposal passes. * The wording of the description has been updated - now it's videos curated by the entity, rather than videos published by the entity. This means that things like an artist-curated list of bootleg recordings are allowed - and automatically-generated playlists aren't. At the moment, I'm still waiting to hear back from nikki about whether this would be best as a new AR or as a modification of the Youtube AR; either way the final guidelines will be the same. Please tell me what you think! Proposal page: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Proposal:Allow_links_to_video_channels_on_sites_other_than_Youtube Relationship page: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Kepstin/Video_Channel_Relationship_Type ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
[mb-style] Suggestions on how to label tracks for Sherlock Holmes audio book
I'd appreciate some suggestions in this forum post if possible: http://forums.musicbrainz.org/viewtopic.php?pid=17564#p17564 I've done it in the forum because of the size of it (and for posterity). Thanks Stuart ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
[mb-style] RFV-358: Allow links to video channels on sites other than Youtube
Since I've finally gotten a +1, and the RFC period has long-passed, here's the RFV! With the standard 2-day RFV, this will expire on March 1, 18:00 UTC. This will add a new artist-url and label-url relationship, Video Channel, to allow linking an artist or label to their channel on a video streaming site like ustream, dailymotion, nicovideo, vimeo, etc. The existing 'Youtube' relationship will become a subtype of this relationship, as it can't be removed or merged without causing incompatibilities for API/data users. Proposal page: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Proposal:Allow_links_to_video_channels_on_sites_other_than_Youtube Relationship page: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Kepstin/Video_Channel_Relationship_Type -- Calvin Walton calvin.wal...@kepstin.ca ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] RFV-349: Allow links to video channels on sites other than Youtube
On Tue, 2012-02-28 at 12:52 -0500, Calvin Walton wrote: Since I've finally gotten a +1, and the RFC period has long-passed, here's the RFV! Er, and by that I mean *RFV-349*. I dunno how I keep getting this wrong. With the standard 2-day RFV, this will expire on March 1, 18:00 UTC. This will add a new artist-url and label-url relationship, Video Channel, to allow linking an artist or label to their channel on a video streaming site like ustream, dailymotion, nicovideo, vimeo, etc. The existing 'Youtube' relationship will become a subtype of this relationship, as it can't be removed or merged without causing incompatibilities for API/data users. Proposal page: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Proposal:Allow_links_to_video_channels_on_sites_other_than_Youtube Relationship page: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Kepstin/Video_Channel_Relationship_Type -- Calvin Walton calvin.wal...@kepstin.ca ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] RFV-346. Style/Language/Vietnamese : Punctuation change
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 18:06, Nikki aei...@gmail.com wrote: Philip Jägenstedt wrote: If deemed necessary, I can ask my wife (currently in Hanoi) to contact the ministry of education and ask what style is considered correct in higher education. It's possible that they don't know or care, of course. I leave it as an exercise to the reader to check what style they use on their website http://www.moet.gov.vn/. Although I suspect the answer is that they don't know or care, I would certainly be interested in knowing what they have to say about it, if she'd be willing to ask. Thanks for your feedback, Nikki, I've asked my wife to help me research this matter again. She does not think that the Ministry of Education would be able to help us determine offical-ness, since their mission is to teach Vietnamese, not regulate it. It is also not their mission to answer random questions from the public (my bad), so they're unlikely to escalate the issue to the required level to get a stamped official answer. However, she was able to find no less than 3 different style guides for Vietnamese, all explicitly requiring the no-spaces style: 1. http://du-an-most.hanoilug.org/MostWiki/QuyUocChinhTa#D.2BHqU-u_c.2BAOI-u This is from the Hanoi GNU/Linux Users Group. Judging by the references at the bottom, it is very well researched and trustworthy. 2. http://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cẩm_nang_về_cách_biên_soạn#D.E1.BA.A5u_c.C3.A2u When I last looked I couldn't find any official style of the Vietnamese Wikipedia, but here it is. That the many editors of the Vietnamese Wikipedia have collectively agreed on the issue is IMHO strong support for our current guideline. 3. http://hocmarketing.net/soan-thao-van-ban-chuan-viet-nam/ This is from marketing training material. I think that it doesn't have the weight of the two above sources, but it does show that marketing people (not only geeks) have also thought about the issue and come to the same conclusion. (http://www.tug.org/TUGboat/tb29-1/tb91thanh-vntex.pdf was also mentioned in the original RFC/RFV cycle, but it merely notes that the case without a space before punctuation is dominant.) There are not enough people who care to come to a majority decision about which way to standardise it. We have actually already standardized it, but you are correct that we cannot re-decide the issue by voting when only I and Tristan really care. There are not enough people who care about the issue to maintain the data according to such a guideline anyway. Given the small amount of data it only really takes one person. I have a script that I wrote after the guideline was originally accepted that finds instances in need of attention. There is not enough data affected to make standardisation particularly useful right now. The data we have is already in line with the guideline we have, with only 1 exception found by my script: http://musicbrainz.org/release/0c7c63b8-d9dd-4713-ac69-33204f2b419d Therefore I think the best choice right now is a compromise, i.e. to allow both forms, which is effectively what this proposal is. If the authorities in Vietnam ever publish an official style (something which explicitly talks about how to write punctuation) or if we ever have a community of Vietnamese editors who care about which style should be used, then that would be a better time to revisit it. Given that our guideline is supported by ample evidence and now 3 actual Vietnamese style guides, I don't think that we should weaken it. Should we eventually decide more generally to retain variations in capitalization, typos and punctuation in tracklists then things may be different, but for standardized titles the guideline we have is as correct as it will ever be on this issue, IMHO. -- Philip Jägenstedt ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
[mb-style] RFV: CSG Release/RG Artist (previously RFC-352)
http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/STYLE-95 http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Proposal:CSG2012/Release/Artist This RFV will expire Friday, 2012-03-02. /symphonick ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
