2014-09-24 7:54 GMT+02:00 Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com:
2014-09-23 23:31 GMT+02:00 symphonick symphon...@gmail.com:
2014-09-19 11:34 GMT+02:00 Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com:
2014-09-19 11:18 GMT+02:00 Tom Crocker tomcrockerm...@gmail.com:
Is this the thing we want to represent, is it definable and do we often
/ ever have data about it on compilations?
Do we want to attach mastering credits on a per-track basis? That
seems a bit backwards.
Why backwards? There are certainly lots of situations where masters
will come from different sources. I am of course thinking of compilations,
but also of releases such as this
https://musicbrainz.org/release/86d5fc27-0b65-4750-95e2-fb42d6017c4e,
the second disc could be a different master.
There are lots of potential sources for tracks on compilations (old
vinyl, tapes, masters...) but what do we want to be able to represent? What
level of complexity and what fit with reality? Do we care about the vinyl
master vs. the CD master? It might be the best solution to enter a
mastering credit (mastered by ... on ...) on a per track basis but if
masters are much more like an ordered set of (our type of) recordings it
might be best to represent them as such, and see if there's a way within
that we can handle complexities like compilations. If that was at a medium
level it would work with your suggested release.
My preference would be for sound differences. If the CD sounds exactly
like the vinyl (this is not plausible but it should be possible), then I'd
expect only one Master in MB. But if the sounds differ, then I expect 2
separate Masters, even if both are on the same medium. Of course, data
should be also taken into account. If a mastering engineer recreates
exactly the same sound as another master, there should be 2 Masters in MB
because there would be 2 Mastering Engineer ARs to enter.
Percieved sound differences are in practice unusable as proof, unless we
are dealing with intended differences; like 1973 version vs. 2010 remaster.
But in those cases you would have liner notes or similar anyway.
Yes, if we are speaking of albums. But in compilations, liner notes are
often missing, so that we have to rely on our ears to decide.
More than anything, if we do add something let's make sure it is simple
to use and transparent to anyone who doesn't care.
Yes, very important! Users who don't understand what a master is (and
furthermore, what MB calls a Master) should not be tempted to enter data.
But, I also think KRSCuan might be right. We have tons of stuff to fix
and millions of releases to add, so I'm not sure adding another potential
layer of data that most people won't care about is the best use of our
time.
I am not sure either, and I agree there could be more urgent things to
develop (like the reliability data you wrote about above). OTOH, the volume
of missing releases should not prevent us from improving existing data.
Just like the fact that we will certainly never know the names of all the
engineers who recorded existing tracks should not induce us to throw away
the Recording Engineer AR.
Regarding specific tracks; maybe a (release - release) AR which would
show the master engineer @ track level when (if) you know the exact release
a specific compilation track was sourced from?
Otherwise some sort of headings inside the release group for specific
masters maybe could work? Like:
Release ...
Official
Foo CD
Foo Vinyl
*1997 remaster
Foo CD
*2010 remaster
Foo CD
probably leave deafult = unspecified = original. My suggestion would be
to have no more detail than this.
There must be something I am missing here: Our developers have created a
quite efficient release tracks editor which enables us to enter ARs for all
the tracks at the same time with almost no more work than entering a
release level AR. So why not enable something similar for masters (if /
when then are implemented)?
--
Frederic Da Vitoria
(davitof)
Now you got me worried; it's already quite hard to find the exact recording
you want when there are lots of similar recordings to choose from. How
would the master-info be shown in the search boxes?
/symphonick
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