Re: [mb-style] RFC-336: Add Voice Actor Relationship Type
On Mon, 2011-10-24 at 16:49 +0200, Johannes Weißl wrote: Hello Calvin, On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 03:07:37PM -0400, Calvin Walton wrote: I don't think this should be voice actor specific; there are lots of other places where a person performs as a fictional character. My suggestion would be to use a more general name, something like Performed Role, perhaps? This would work well if we ever have a separate artist type for fictional characters e.g. Role. (They're currently falling under Other.) I don't know if that is possible... it sounds strange to me that Trey Parker performed the role Eric Cartman. What other places do you mean where neither performance-name nor voice-actor fits? I can't actually think of any, offhand :) We can always make a new proposal to enhance the AR later if we find a case like this. -- kepstin Calvin Walton calvin.wal...@kepstin.ca ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] RFC-336: Add Voice Actor Relationship Type
Hello Calvin, On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 03:07:37PM -0400, Calvin Walton wrote: I don't think this should be voice actor specific; there are lots of other places where a person performs as a fictional character. My suggestion would be to use a more general name, something like Performed Role, perhaps? This would work well if we ever have a separate artist type for fictional characters e.g. Role. (They're currently falling under Other.) I don't know if that is possible... it sounds strange to me that Trey Parker performed the role Eric Cartman. What other places do you mean where neither performance-name nor voice-actor fits? Johannes ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] RFC-336: Add Voice Actor Relationship Type
Hello Alex, On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 01:13:23PM -0500, Alex Mauer wrote: I would change the link text to say “performed the voice of”, i.e.: “Trey Parker performed the voice of Eric Cartman” Also, how would the relationships be displayed on the relationship tab for each artist[1,2]? I suggest: “voice of:” and “voice:” for the real and the fictitious artist, respectively. I'm fine with performed the voice of, if there is no objection I will change the text as you suggested for the RFV. Since you are fine with Nikki's suggestion, the text in the relationship tab would be voiced by and voice of. Johannes ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] RFC-336: Add Voice Actor Relationship Type
Hello Nicolás, On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 08:49:49PM +0300, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren wrote: Under this proposal, would it be possible to use this also with live action characters? voice actor as a term seems to exclude those (say, for soundtracks which credit tracks to characters) unless you're calling those voice and body actors or something. Can you give an example (with MB release link)? I would prefer restricting this to only voice, since MusicBrainz is about audio. But I see no problem if e.g. a soundtrack credits Neo to have a Keanu Reeves is voice acting Neo relationship (if this is what you mean). Johannes ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] RFC-336: Add Voice Actor Relationship Type
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 5:10 PM, Johannes Weißl jar...@molb.org wrote: Hello Nicolás, On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 08:49:49PM +0300, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren wrote: Under this proposal, would it be possible to use this also with live action characters? voice actor as a term seems to exclude those (say, for soundtracks which credit tracks to characters) unless you're calling those voice and body actors or something. Can you give an example (with MB release link)? I would prefer restricting this to only voice, since MusicBrainz is about audio. But I see no problem if e.g. a soundtrack credits Neo to have a Keanu Reeves is voice acting Neo relationship (if this is what you mean). That is what I mean, yes. Johannes ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style -- Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] RFC-336: Add Voice Actor Relationship Type
On 10/18/2011 5:15 PM, Nikki wrote: Alex Mauer wrote: Also, how would the relationships be displayed on the relationship tab for each artist[1,2]? I suggest: “voice of:” and “voice:” for the real and the fictitious artist, respectively. I'd prefer voiced by rather than voice. That works for me, except that it seems like the keywords we use generally don't use xxx by (that is, we have producer: instead of produced by -- are there any ones that are xxx by already? ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] RFC-336: Add Voice Actor Relationship Type
On Tue, 2011-10-18 at 12:31 +0200, Johannes Weißl wrote: Hello, I propose to add a new artist-artist relationship Voice Actor. Currently the Performance Name relationship is used to capture this information. Adding a new relationship has many advantages: +1 for the idea, but I think it needs some minor changes. Initial discussion: http://chatlogs.musicbrainz.org/musicbrainz/2011/2011-08/2011-08-08.html Wiki page: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Proposal:Voice_Actor_Relationship_Type Expiration date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:18:55 UTC I don't think this should be voice actor specific; there are lots of other places where a person performs as a fictional character. My suggestion would be to use a more general name, something like Performed Role, perhaps? This would work well if we ever have a separate artist type for fictional characters e.g. Role. (They're currently falling under Other.) -- Calvin Walton calvin.wal...@kepstin.ca ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
[mb-style] RFC-336: Add Voice Actor Relationship Type
Hello, I propose to add a new artist-artist relationship Voice Actor. Currently the Performance Name relationship is used to capture this information. Adding a new relationship has many advantages: 1. Fix incorrect text for fictitious artists, e.g.: legal name: Trey Parker for Eric Cartman 2. Disambiguate real performance names from voice-acted characters, e.g. Juan Schwartz from Eric Cartman http://musicbrainz.org/artist/b8e4771f-6156-48cd-ab77-d10bc3fd50d9/relationships 3. The current rule is that artist information (gender, birth date, ...) should be copied from the artist to all performance names. The performs-as for voice-acted characters violates this rule. Initial discussion: http://chatlogs.musicbrainz.org/musicbrainz/2011/2011-08/2011-08-08.html Wiki page: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Proposal:Voice_Actor_Relationship_Type Expiration date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:18:55 UTC Johannes ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] RFC-336: Add Voice Actor Relationship Type
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Johannes Weißl jar...@molb.org wrote: Hello, I propose to add a new artist-artist relationship Voice Actor. Currently the Performance Name relationship is used to capture this information. Adding a new relationship has many advantages: 1. Fix incorrect text for fictitious artists, e.g.: legal name: Trey Parker for Eric Cartman 2. Disambiguate real performance names from voice-acted characters, e.g. Juan Schwartz from Eric Cartman http://musicbrainz.org/artist/b8e4771f-6156-48cd-ab77-d10bc3fd50d9/relationships 3. The current rule is that artist information (gender, birth date, ...) should be copied from the artist to all performance names. The performs-as for voice-acted characters violates this rule. Under this proposal, would it be possible to use this also with live action characters? voice actor as a term seems to exclude those (say, for soundtracks which credit tracks to characters) unless you're calling those voice and body actors or something. Initial discussion: http://chatlogs.musicbrainz.org/musicbrainz/2011/2011-08/2011-08-08.html Wiki page: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Proposal:Voice_Actor_Relationship_Type Expiration date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:18:55 UTC Johannes ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style -- Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] RFC-336: Add Voice Actor Relationship Type
Alex Mauer wrote: Also, how would the relationships be displayed on the relationship tab for each artist[1,2]? I suggest: “voice of:” and “voice:” for the real and the fictitious artist, respectively. I'd prefer voiced by rather than voice. Nikki ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
