Re: [mb-style] Changes to #Compilation in Release Group/Type
Here is the ticket for this, if I don’t mistake : http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/STYLE-243 - PATATE12 jesus2099 GOLD MASTER KING FAKE E-MAIL ADDRESS -- View this message in context: http://musicbrainz.1054305.n4.nabble.com/Changes-to-Compilation-in-Release-Group-Type-tp4663634p4669738.html Sent from the MusicBrainz - Style mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] Changes to #Compilation in Release Group/Type
On 28 Nov 2014 14:05, jesus2099 hta3s836gzac...@jetable.org wrote: Here is the ticket for this, if I don’t mistake : http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/STYLE-243 This change already happened without a ticket. It wasn't an official style guideline and consensus was reached (it was only clarifying the use of compilation for rarities and the like) ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] Changes to #Compilation in Release Group/Type
Based on suggestions here I've updated my proposed changes. A comparison with the existing text can be seen at http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/index.php?title=User:Tommycrock/proposal/Release_Group/Type/Compilationdiff=65830oldid=65824 I'm not trying to change meaning (except where it contradicts the official guidance) just clarify it. ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] Changes to #Compilation in Release Group/Type
tommycrock wrote Based on suggestions here I've updated my proposed changes. A comparison with the existing text can be seen at http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/index.php?title=User:Tommycrock/proposal/Release_Group/Type/Compilationdiff=65830oldid=65824 I'm not trying to change meaning (except where it contradicts the official guidance) just clarify it. ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@.musicbrainz http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style Looks good to me. I would say compilation is a better general term than anthology. It's used by most discography sites and widely in the industry (a releases is usually called a greatest hits compilation, not a greatest hits anthology). I'd be open to a new secondary type if users can come up with a solid distinction. There seemed to be a lot of debate on the forum thread, not sure how straightforward it would be. Dividing the wide group of 'Compilation' into subsets may be difficult because of the myriad of combination of types and statuses of recordings that can end up on a compilation. -- View this message in context: http://musicbrainz.1054305.n4.nabble.com/Changes-to-Compilation-in-Release-Group-Type-tp4663634p4663926.html Sent from the MusicBrainz - Style mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] Changes to #Compilation in Release Group/Type
Well, you consider anthologies as being : tommycrock wrote an anthology, which is defined as being a group of songs from various sources (not necessarily released) combined together as a best of or retrospective type release. The artist may still be producing material but a compilation is of previously produced (not current) material. Whereas the forum tells anthologies are like boxset with a whole album span (all their albums, etc.), or all the singles, etc. http://forums.musicbrainz.org/viewtopic.php?id=4839 - PATATE12 jesus2099 GOLD MASTER KING FAKE E-MAIL ADDRESS -- View this message in context: http://musicbrainz.1054305.n4.nabble.com/Changes-to-Compilation-in-Release-Group-Type-tp4663634p4663790.html Sent from the MusicBrainz - Style mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] Changes to #Compilation in Release Group/Type
I agree with Jesus that a simple Greatest Hits of best of compilation of a single artist definitely is NOT (and should not be called) an anthology. To be called an Anthology a release should include some editorial efforts and (at least) the aim at some sort of completeness: The Beatles collection ( http://musicbrainz.org/release-group/3fe20166-34f6-429f-968b-c2ff9fcfcc00All Albums + a bonus disc with rarities) or The complete 50s masters by Elvis Presley http://musicbrainz.org/release-group/32d06c0a-ace6-345c-99e9-43d2dd1d8d8cor any Complete B-sides (or A- B-sides collection) like e.g. http://musicbrainz.org/release/f0931811-c3d1-456c-917c-6ca725f13e8e, but also releases like the chronological classics http://musicbrainz.org/label/cf239f09-7ccf-4feb-8c09-eef7bdc22d27?page=1 or the Intégrale box sets by Frémeaux or Bear Family. I haven't made my mind up yet whether 2 in 1 releases or 5 original albums sets should be compilations or anthologies On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Tom Crocker tomcrockerm...@gmail.comwrote: On 31 Mar 2014 14:25, jesus2099 hta3s836gzac...@jetable.org wrote: Well, you consider anthologies as being : tommycrock wrote an anthology, which is defined as being a group of songs from various sources (not necessarily released) combined together as a best of or retrospective type release. The artist may still be producing material but a compilation is of previously produced (not current) material. Whereas the forum tells anthologies are like boxset with a whole album span (all their albums, etc.), or all the singles, etc. http://forums.musicbrainz.org/viewtopic.php?id=4839 My understanding was that the opinion in the forum thread was that an anthology was a collection of Works by a single artist. But, is there something you think I should change in my suggestions for the docs? ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] Changes to #Compilation in Release Group/Type
On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 11:33 AM, SwissChris swissch...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Jesus that a simple Greatest Hits of best of compilation of a single artist definitely is NOT (and should not be called) an anthology. In the real world, it happens (see link below), probably generally with compilations with more than one medium. Not that we have to label these releases as an anthology just because the cover says so. :) http://musicbrainz.org/release/94c5881c-e47a-42ba-bea0-d9ff8cb79dd1 -- -:-:- David K. Gasaway -:-:- Email: d...@gasaway.org ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] Changes to #Compilation in Release Group/Type
tommycrock wrote I want to clarify the use of compilation to include 'rarities' albums, and get your suggestions. I also want to fix a discrepancy with the official release group style guide. I want to change the start of http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Release_Group/Type#Compilation to : A compilation, for the purposes of the MusicBrainz database, covers the following types of releases: an anthology, which is defined as being a group of songs from various sources (not necessarily released) combined together as a best of or retrospective type release. The artist may still be producing material but a compilation is of previously produced (not current) material. a various artists song collection, usually based on a general theme (Songs for Lovers), a particular year (Hits of 1998), or some other kind of grouping (Songs From the Movies, the Café del Mar series, etc). Also, at http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Release_Group We say : Compilation should be used in addition to, not instead of, other types: for example, a various artists soundtrack using pre-released music should be marked as both a soundtrack and a compilation. As a general rule, always select every secondary type that applies. This is contradicted in the unofficial Type page : a various artists soundtrack could also be considered a compilation. In general, compilation should be superseded by other release attributes when required. So I'll copy across the official version P.S not an RFC because it isn't an official guide ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@.musicbrainz http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style How about: a release containing tracks by a single artist from various sources (not necessarily released) combined together as a best of or retrospective type release. The artist may still be producing material but a compilation is of previously produced (not current) material. a collection of tracks by various artists, usually based on a general theme (Songs for Lovers), a particular year (Hits of 1998), or some other kind of grouping (Songs From the Movies, the Café del Mar series, etc). -- View this message in context: http://musicbrainz.1054305.n4.nabble.com/Changes-to-Compilation-in-Release-Group-Type-tp4663634p4663818.html Sent from the MusicBrainz - Style mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] Changes to #Compilation in Release Group/Type
That's better ;-) I'm still hesitant about using the term retrospective, though. Maybe, to meet your concerns and those expressed in the forum discussion http://forums.musicbrainz.org/viewtopic.php?id=4839 we should consider creating one or two new secondary types: Anthology (complete, retrospective compilations as defined above) and Multi-Albums (for 2 in 1 or 5 original albums). I have set to other the one I added recently http://musicbrainz.org/release-group/ae231f2a-45f1-417e-8913-54c6ea9edbd8 , because it wouldn't fit the definitions of either album nor compilation ... On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 9:32 PM, lixobix arjtap...@gmail.com wrote: tommycrock wrote I want to clarify the use of compilation to include 'rarities' albums, and get your suggestions. I also want to fix a discrepancy with the official release group style guide. I want to change the start of http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Release_Group/Type#Compilation to : A compilation, for the purposes of the MusicBrainz database, covers the following types of releases: an anthology, which is defined as being a group of songs from various sources (not necessarily released) combined together as a best of or retrospective type release. The artist may still be producing material but a compilation is of previously produced (not current) material. a various artists song collection, usually based on a general theme (Songs for Lovers), a particular year (Hits of 1998), or some other kind of grouping (Songs From the Movies, the Café del Mar series, etc). Also, at http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Release_Group We say : Compilation should be used in addition to, not instead of, other types: for example, a various artists soundtrack using pre-released music should be marked as both a soundtrack and a compilation. As a general rule, always select every secondary type that applies. This is contradicted in the unofficial Type page : a various artists soundtrack could also be considered a compilation. In general, compilation should be superseded by other release attributes when required. So I'll copy across the official version P.S not an RFC because it isn't an official guide ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@.musicbrainz http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style How about: a release containing tracks by a single artist from various sources (not necessarily released) combined together as a best of or retrospective type release. The artist may still be producing material but a compilation is of previously produced (not current) material. a collection of tracks by various artists, usually based on a general theme (Songs for Lovers), a particular year (Hits of 1998), or some other kind of grouping (Songs From the Movies, the Café del Mar series, etc). -- View this message in context: http://musicbrainz.1054305.n4.nabble.com/Changes-to-Compilation-in-Release-Group-Type-tp4663634p4663818.html Sent from the MusicBrainz - Style mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] Changes to #Compilation in Release Group/Type
I'm happy to remove the word (and therefore definition of) anthology here. I left it in because it is already that way. I would also be happy for some new types to be proposed but this is just about making the current definition clearer, not redefining anything. Personally I think we're misusing anthology if we use it in any of the special senses proposed here or in the forum thread. I think anthology is basically a nicer sounding term for compilation, with some hint that the songs are 'choice' or 'definitive' in some way. I don't think it's exclusive to complete collections or single artist release groups. Definition http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/anthology : A collection of songs or musical compositions issued in one album. Origin: from Greek anthologia, from anthos 'flower' + -logia 'collection'. In Greek, the word originally denoted a collection of the 'flowers' of verse, i.e. small choice poems or epigrams, by various authors. e.g. Anthology of American Folk Music http://musicbrainz.org/release-group/af0fb63b-0f62-36af-8871-07342b13d2d8 ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] Changes to #Compilation in Release Group/Type
notice that the term anthology is used for something else in http://forums.musicbrainz.org/viewtopic.php?id=4839 ongoing discussion. - PATATE12 jesus2099 GOLD MASTER KING FAKE E-MAIL ADDRESS -- View this message in context: http://musicbrainz.1054305.n4.nabble.com/Changes-to-Compilation-in-Release-Group-Type-tp4663634p4663759.html Sent from the MusicBrainz - Style mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] Changes to #Compilation in Release Group/Type
Yep. I haven't changed that from how it is. I'm not convinced anthology has a different meaning from compilation but I'm not changing it here (and it seems to be the same as proposed in that discussion) ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] Changes to #Compilation in Release Group/Type
tommycrock wrote I want to clarify the use of compilation to include 'rarities' albums, and get your suggestions. I also want to fix a discrepancy with the official release group style guide. I want to change the start of http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Release_Group/Type#Compilation to : A compilation, for the purposes of the MusicBrainz database, covers the following types of releases: an anthology, which is defined as being a group of songs from various sources (not necessarily released) combined together as a best of or retrospective type release. The artist may still be producing material but a compilation is of previously produced (not current) material. a various artists song collection, usually based on a general theme (Songs for Lovers), a particular year (Hits of 1998), or some other kind of grouping (Songs From the Movies, the Café del Mar series, etc). Also, at http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Release_Group We say : Compilation should be used in addition to, not instead of, other types: for example, a various artists soundtrack using pre-released music should be marked as both a soundtrack and a compilation. As a general rule, always select every secondary type that applies. This is contradicted in the unofficial Type page : a various artists soundtrack could also be considered a compilation. In general, compilation should be superseded by other release attributes when required. So I'll copy across the official version P.S not an RFC because it isn't an official guide ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@.musicbrainz http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style Looks good to me. -- View this message in context: http://musicbrainz.1054305.n4.nabble.com/Changes-to-Compilation-in-Release-Group-Type-tp4663634p4663699.html Sent from the MusicBrainz - Style mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
