Re: ugly thread tree display
On Tue, Apr 23, 2002, Alain Bench wrote: Hello Sven, On Sunday, April 21, 2002 at 5:37:05 AM +0200, Sven Guckes wrote: telnet.exe sucks. use putty.exe. nuff said. Thanks for the advice, Sven! It solved a half of my problem: I now get nice charset and nice thread tree. You're right, Putty seems to be 5 steps ahead compared to Cygwin's telnet.exe. Much better, and much more configurable. I still have some config probs (function keys, putty unknown in my terminfo, some chars of CP1252 128-159 zone confusing display, ...), and need badly to read your 403 Forbidden pages. ;-) If you like putty and want a REALLY nice ssh client, check out SecureCRT from VanDyke. www.vandyke.com . For Windows I really couldn't ask for more, and VanDyke is a perfect example of how a company should be run. Of course now that I'm using Mac OS X more often than not, it's OpenSSH... :) -Ken
Re: ugly thread tree display
Am 24.04.2002 um 04:34:38 -0400 schrieb Ken Weingold folgendes: If you like putty and want a REALLY nice ssh client, check out SecureCRT from VanDyke. www.vandyke.com . For Windows I really couldn't ask for more, and VanDyke is a perfect example of how a company should be run. What about Putty? It's free. -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V A) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Charite Campus Virchow-Klinikum Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Referat V A - Kommunikationsnetze - Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 Do not worry about your problems with mathematics, I assure you mine are far greater. -- Albert Einstein
Re: ugly thread tree display
On Wed, Apr 24, 2002, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: Am 24.04.2002 um 04:34:38 -0400 schrieb Ken Weingold folgendes: If you like putty and want a REALLY nice ssh client, check out SecureCRT from VanDyke. www.vandyke.com . For Windows I really couldn't ask for more, and VanDyke is a perfect example of how a company should be run. What about Putty? It's free. You get what you pay for. Putty sucks ass compared to SecureCRT. Putty vs. SecureCRT in functionality is like vi vs. vim, csh vs. tcsh, sh vs. bash, etc. Both will do the job, but -Ken
mft / ignore_list_reply_to
if i have ignore_list_reply_to set, shouldn't mutt honor a mail-followup-to header? take the following example: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Will Yardley) Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Luser [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Admin List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mail-Followup-To: Luser [EMAIL PROTECTED], Admin List [EMAIL PROTECTED] i'd expect a list-reply to go to the addresses in the m-f-t header, since i have ignore_list_reply_to set... however 'list-reply' replies to the list only. in other cases (ie on lists where no munged reply-to header is present), list-reply directs a followup to the addresses in m-f-t if it's present. am i missing something here? also, is there any way to manually set a m-f-t header to the list, even if you're ccing someone on the message itself? i'm pretty sure there isn't, but just asking. -- Will Yardley input: william @ hq . newdream . net .
Re: ugly thread tree display
Ken Weingold wrote: You get what you pay for. Putty sucks ass compared to SecureCRT. Putty vs. SecureCRT in functionality is like vi vs. vim, csh vs. tcsh, sh vs. bash, etc. Both will do the job, but well sh and vi are sometimes better for a task than their improved counterparts (let's not start a flamewar on this... i am just saying that there's a good tool for every job). perhaps you could explain what functionality is missing in Putty that SecureCRT has? for certain functions, SecureCRT is a lot better, but for many users, Putty is easier to use and provides the desired functionality. we have Windows users at our site that use both SecureCRT and Putty, and some prefer one, some prefer another. i generally prefer Putty, and use it when given a choice, but i don't use windows that much so i may be missing some horrible problems i also find that i'm generally using putty in places where i don't usually connect (ie my parent's house, a friend's house, or whatever), and it's often a pain to install SecureCRT, whereas Putty is just a simple exe file. i haven't messed with it too much, but i don't think i've gotten the acs characters working right in CRT, while they usually work fine in Putty. as someone who uses Eterms or xterms most of the time, i don't find too many things that i'm unable to do in Putty. -- Will Yardley input: william hq . newdream . net .
Re: ugly thread tree display
On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Ken Weingold wrote: If you like putty and want a REALLY nice ssh client, check out SecureCRT from VanDyke. www.vandyke.com . For Windows I really couldn't ask for more, and VanDyke is a perfect example of how a company should be run. I tested it a few months ago (to see if I should update the 'crt' terminfo to cover this). It did not do as well with vttest as putty. -- T.E.Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net
history for builtin editor?
is there any way to have the line editor keep some sort of history / cache? (the editor you use when typing addresses, executing shell commands or what not)? i know most people probably never leave mutt or just open subshells, but i do occasionally exit mutt, and it would be really cool if you could save a certain number of lines of history in here. -- Will Yardley input: william hq . newdream . net .
Re: threading spec - leave it to mutt!
* JimO [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-04-23 19:43]: I don't find a specification for Mutt's threading algorithm in the docs I have, manual and faq. which manual explains algorithms, anyway? ;-) Maybe it's a moving target, but I bet it's pretty stable at this point. As I understand it, Mutt uses In-Reply-To as its highest precedence, which makes sense, but I'm left with the following: What's the form of an In-Reply-To header? What's the form of a References header? In-Reply-To: MID References: MID1 MID2 MID3 ... Is there a function in Mutt to force all tagged msgs into a thread (or subthread) or somesuch? No. I suppose such a function would add a reference, pointing to the earliest-dated mail in the group, to each of the other mails, but maybe there's a problem with that simple-minded approach. indeed - that's a bad idea. Sometimes I want to send mail to a list that should be threaded under some topic, but it's not really in reply to any particular piece of mail. It seems I want to send with a References header, but not In-Reply-To, with my own unique Subject line that will start a sub-thread. Is there a way to tell Mutt to reference a piece of mail without replying to it? you want to send a message with a reference which is no reference? what's wrong with this picture? I can always edit the header later after the list sends me back my own mail, but it'd be nicer to do it at the outset. and screw it up for everybody? no, thanks. if you do that you'll be in my (mail filter's) killfile right away and off the list real soon. Sven
Re: Copying from one header to another
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) muttered: I have many different e-mail addresses on my machine, all of which get read at a single account. When I reply to the list I have to manually type in the address that the mail was sent to. My MTA puts a header at the top with the delivery address: Envelope-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I want to take that delivery address and put it into the From: header automatically without having to type each one in by hand. set alternates (see manual) set envelope_from set reverse_name HTH, Michael -- PGP-Key: http://www-stud.ims.uni-stuttgart.de/~tatgeml/public.key
Re: sending mail non-interactively with -H draft
* Eric Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-04-22 14:23]: I want to send (say from a script), the same way i may send like this: mutt whoever -ssubject/etc/passwd But with the -H and a draft that contains all the header info and a complete body, it always prompts me. Can I avoid the prompt? The file with -H file must contain a header - and a header *only*. No body. that's what -i incfile and stdin are for. Besides, -s subject must go *before* the addresses. However, as you specify a header file all header info such as the subject line and the addresses lines are taken from that file; further data from the command line is ignored. If you want to *include* data for the *body* then use option -i file. Example: $ cat mutt.header From: Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: automized sending with mutt To: guckes-mutt-test $ mutt -i incfile the subject [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] /etc/fruit Note that both the subject and the addresses from the command line are ignored. however, both incfile and /etc/fruit are added to the *body* - with incfile first and /etc/fruit after that. you could use /dev/null instead of /etc/fruit, of course. Mutt's manual is missing a description for this - but then it's just a manual which gets updated only with patches to the code (or so it seems). but maybe I'm missing the guideline for additions to the manual (which probabaly should be in the manual, too ;-). Sven
Re: Folder Hook for Mailinglists
* Nik Engel [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-04-22 15:55]: What kind of folder hooks are you using for Mailinglists. folder-hook MUTT set display_filter=$HOME/.mutt/netways.sed I think of something like: Show initally only unread (limit ~U) but if there is.. mutt's config files do not have clauses (if/then/else). Or what else is practical? a lot! __ Nik Engel NETWAYS GmbH Senior Systems Engineer Deutschherrnstr. 47a Fon.0911/92885-13 D-90429 Nürnberg Fax.0911/92885-33 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.netways.de Nik Engel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Signature Newbie www.netways.de Fon +49(911)92885-13 Deutschherrnstr. 47a Fax +49(911)92885-33 D-90429 Nürnberg four lines suffice! hint: set sig_dashes=yes Sven
Re: X-Header
* Nik Engel [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-04-22 15:57]: How can i set X-Headers of this type : it's just as easy as this: hope this helps Sven
Re: procmail script for deleting duplicates
Sorry to continue this off-topic thread, but Volker Kuhlmann pointed
out a bug and some things to improve in the script I sent out, so I'm
sending out a new version for the record (i.e. people searching the
list archives with Google).
:0
md5sum=| perl -e 'while (($_ = ) !/^\r?\n$/) { if (/^[ \t]/) { next if $r; }
else { if (/^(date|from|subject|to|cc)\s*:/i) { $r = 0; } else { $r = 1; next } }
s/\r?\n$/\n/; print; } print \n; while () { s/\r?\n$/\n/; print; }' | md5sum |
sed -e 's/ .*//'
- You could probably save CPU cycles by using formail instead of perl
for this, but I haven't tried that.
:0:$md5cache.lock
* !? ! fgrep -q $md5sum $md5cache echo $md5sum $md5cache
dupes
- Use $LOCKEXT instead of .lock.
- Unfortunately, this local lock only protects delivery, not the test
itself. This is a bug.
- You can save CPU cycles by putting the fgrep and echo commands in
separate procmail tests so procmail can run the commands directly,
without a shell.
Here's a new version of the script. I hope this is correct now!
SHELL=/bin/sh
MAILDIR=.../Mail
LOGFILE=$MAILDIR/Log
md5cache=$MAILDIR/MD5
:0
md5sum=| perl -e 'while (($_ = ) !/^\r?\n$/) { if (/^[ \t]/) { next if $r; } else
{ if (/^(date|from|subject|to|cc)\s*:/i) { $r = 0; } else { $r = 1; next } }
s/\r?\n$/\n/; print; } print \n; while () { s/\r?\n$/\n/; print; }' | md5sum | sed
-e 's/ .*//'
LOCKFILE=$md5cache$LOCKEXT
:0:
* ? fgrep -q $md5sum $md5cache
dupes
:0ic
| echo $md5sum $md5cache
LOCKFILE
... etc ...
lbdb-fetchaddr for outgoing mail
Hi everybody, i want ldbd-fetchaddr to collect email addresses from outgoung email. Therefore I set sendmail=tee (lbdb-fetchaddr -a)|/usr/lib/sendmail -oem -oi in muttrc. But when I send mail, there is an exec error 127. On the command line cat email | tee (lbdb-fetchaddr -a)|/usr/lib/sendmail -oem -o -- addr@domain works fine. Any ideas? Ciao, Gregor -- Kommunikation benoetigt gemeinsame /\ASCII Ribbon Campaign Standards -- unformatierter Text \ /Respect for open standards in E-Mails, als Anhaenge nur offene X No HTML/RTF in email Standards, keine Micro$oft-Dateien / \No M$ Word docs in email
Re: Copying from one header to another
Patrick -- First, you shouldn't just reply to any old email and start a new thread. That is a Very Bad Thing and will get you heartily flamed. You've been warned :-) ...and then [EMAIL PROTECTED] said... % % Hi, Hello! % % Can mutt copy the contents of one header to another one? I have many Hmmm... There's probably a theoretical way to do that, but ... ... % I want to take that delivery address and put it into the From: header % automatically without having to type each one in by hand. ... what you really want is to set your $alternates variable to recognize any addresses you may have and then set $reverse_name to tell mutt to reply using the address to which the message was sent. Voila! % % If this is not an appropriate thing for Mutt to be doing, please give me % a pointer as to how to solve this problem. I'm a relatively new e-mail % admin and am still learning. No, it's definitely a mutt thing, and in fact mutt does it better than just copying some header. If you haven't yet read the manual, get a can or two of Jolt, put your feet up, and dig in. If you have read it all and somehow missed this, then just go through section six and review all of the variable synopses. While you're at it, check out the lists and subscribe commands so that mutt can properly set your Mail-Followup-To: header for you. % % -- % Patrick Draper| Don't |[EMAIL PROTECTED] % Austin, Texas | Fear |Father Order runs at a % http://www.pdrap.org | The|good pace, but old Mother % Be Microsoft Free - Use Linux |Penguin |Chaos is winning the race. Even if you're new, I see you're McQ -- good for you! HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg27586/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mft / ignore_list_reply_to
Will -- ...and then Will Yardley said... % ... % am i missing something here? I don't know about this part; good luck. % % also, is there any way to manually set a m-f-t header to the list, even % if you're ccing someone on the message itself? i'm pretty sure there % isn't, but just asking. Have you tried it with a my_hdr or when editing your headers? % % -- % Will Yardley % input: william @ hq . newdream . net . HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg27587/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: history for builtin editor?
Will -- ...and then Will Yardley said... % % is there any way to have the line editor keep some sort of history / % cache? (the editor you use when typing addresses, executing shell % commands or what not)? Hmmm... Yeah, if we're talking about the same thing; just hit the colon and then hit your up arrow a few times to see. Of course, you'll need to have executed a mutt command in order for there to be anything to see :-) % % i know most people probably never leave mutt or just open subshells, but % i do occasionally exit mutt, and it would be really cool if you could % save a certain number of lines of history in here. The history will only save mutt commands and not anything you do in your shell, and I don't think you can savehist or the like. That might be a fun feature-patch to add, even if it's done in simple bash style where all invocations append by default to the same file... % % -- % Will Yardley % input: william @ hq . newdream . net . HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg27588/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: lbdb-fetchaddr for outgoing mail
Gregor -- ...and then Gregor Zattler said... % % Hi everybody, Hello! % ... % set sendmail=tee (lbdb-fetchaddr -a)|/usr/lib/sendmail -oem -oi % in muttrc. But when I send mail, there is an exec error 127. % % On the command line % cat email | tee (lbdb-fetchaddr -a)|/usr/lib/sendmail -oem -o -- addr@domain % works fine. What shell are you using? What shell is mutt using? % % Any ideas? I suspect that you're using bash for your interactive shell but that mutt is using sh (perhaps bash in Bourne mode) for its shell, and the () is not a Bourne thing. % % % Ciao, Gregor % -- % Kommunikation benoetigt gemeinsame /\ASCII Ribbon Campaign % Standards -- unformatierter Text \ /Respect for open standards % in E-Mails, als Anhaenge nur offene X No HTML/RTF in email % Standards, keine Micro$oft-Dateien / \No M$ Word docs in email :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg27589/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: muttrc mode for emacs
This is a permanent URL. The site will move soon. Which is it? -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research msg27590/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: history for builtin editor?
The history will only save mutt commands and not anything you do in your shell I don't think that's what he's saying. Some programs (like PostgreSQL's psql tool) remember their history across invocations. The request (and i think it's a great one) is for mutt to do the same. -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research msg27591/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: muttrc mode for emacs
Mike, et al -- ...and then Mike Schiraldi said... % % This is a permanent URL. The site will move soon. % % Which is it? It could be both if it has a nice go.to or PURL redirector. He probably means that you should remember the URL provided and not the URL where you end up. % % % -- % Mike Schiraldi % VeriSign Applied Research HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg27592/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Copying from one header to another
On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 12:23:43PM +0200, Michael Tatge wrote: I want to take that delivery address and put it into the From: header automatically without having to type each one in by hand. set alternates (see manual) set envelope_from set reverse_name This message is both a test and a thank you. I had everything but the envelope_from variable set. -- Patrick Draper| Don't |[EMAIL PROTECTED] Austin, Texas | Fear |Father Order runs at a http://www.pdrap.org | The|good pace, but old Mother Be Microsoft Free - Use Linux |Penguin |Chaos is winning the race.
Re: Copying from one header to another
On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 07:40:01AM -0500, David T-G wrote: % I want to take that delivery address and put it into the From: header % automatically without having to type each one in by hand. ... what you really want is to set your $alternates variable to recognize any addresses you may have and then set $reverse_name to tell mutt to reply using the address to which the message was sent. Voila! Thanks. The problem that I found was in my regular expression. I had set alternates=.*@pdrap.org as the pattern to match. That worked only some of the time, but I changed it to .+\@pdrap.org and that seems to be much better. Even if you're new, I see you're McQ -- good for you! What is McQ? -- Patrick Draper| Don't |[EMAIL PROTECTED] Austin, Texas | Fear |Father Order runs at a http://www.pdrap.org | The|good pace, but old Mother Be Microsoft Free - Use Linux |Penguin |Chaos is winning the race.
How is it that mutt-users gets zero spam?
I am amazed that this list gets absolutely no spam. How is this accomplished? Perhaps some tricks cam be passed on to zsh-users, which isn't nearly as air-tight when it comes to spam-infestation. -- // [EMAIL PROTECTED] //
Re: How is it that mutt-users gets zero spam?
On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 12:16:52PM -0400, Russell Hoover wrote: I am amazed that this list gets absolutely no spam. How is this accomplished? Perhaps some tricks cam be passed on to zsh-users, which isn't nearly as air-tight when it comes to spam-infestation. Because it only allows people who are subbed to post to the list, and it blocks HTML and other evil's. I can assure you the list-owners get LOTS of SPAM destined for the various mutt lists .. Steve -- NetTek Ltd Flat 2, 43 Howitt Road, Belsize Park, London NW3 4LU, UK tel +44-(0)20 7483 1169 fax +44-(0)20 7483 2455 mob 07775 755503 SMS steve-pager (at) gbnet.net [body] gpg 1024D/468952DB 2001-09-19
Re: Copying from one header to another
Patrick -- ...and then Patrick Draper said... % % On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 07:40:01AM -0500, David T-G wrote: % % I want to take that delivery address and put it into the From: header % % automatically without having to type each one in by hand. % % ... what you really want is to set your $alternates variable to recognize % any addresses you may have and then set $reverse_name to tell mutt to % reply using the address to which the message was sent. Voila! % % Thanks. The problem that I found was in my regular expression. I had Ah :-) % set alternates=.*@pdrap.org as the pattern to match. That worked only % some of the time, but I changed it to .+\@pdrap.org and that seems to % be much better. I can say from experience that you can even set it to pdrap.org and be done with it. That would work for me except for where my wife and I get the same letter and I want to group-reply to the bunch and include her and so on... See the archives for the thread, but it probably won't matter to you. % % Even if you're new, I see you're McQ -- good for you! % % What is McQ? *grin* Sven, do you wanna take this one? % % -- % Patrick Draper| Don't |[EMAIL PROTECTED] % Austin, Texas | Fear |Father Order runs at a % http://www.pdrap.org | The|good pace, but old Mother % Be Microsoft Free - Use Linux |Penguin |Chaos is winning the race. :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg27597/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: How is it that mutt-users gets zero spam?
I am amazed that this list gets absolutely no spam. How is this accomplished? Maybe its magic ;) Actually even on lists that have a higher spam level I still don't get them, I run spamassassin+razor to make sure that spam lands in its own folder before procmail processes any other rules. Works a treat. :) - Dean msg27598/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: quotes - set attribution=`script`
* On 2002.04.22, in 20020423004208.GA10973@bernard, * Bernard Massot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I managed to do it, with this ugly hack : ... but I feel it's not the best solution ;) Did you try my patch? It should make it pretty easy. set attribution=if [ %[%w] = 1 ]; then echo -n \D'al %%d, %%n en deus skrivet:%%\; else echo -n \D'ar %%d, %%n en deus skrivet:%%\; fi | -- -D.[EMAIL PROTECTED]NSITUniversity of Chicago
Re: Copying from one header to another
On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 11:37:01AM -0500, David T-G wrote: I can say from experience that you can even set it to pdrap.org and be done with it. That would work for me except for where my wife and I get Thanks, setting it to pdrap.org also seems to work well. But, I still have a puzzling situation. I am a subscriber to two different yahoo groups, both of the under that address [EMAIL PROTECTED] When I reply to one, mutt fills in the From: header properly, with the address [EMAIL PROTECTED] When I reply to the other one, mutt does not generate any From: header at all. This is very puzzling to me, since the envelope address is the same on both e-mails. I have compared the headers side by side and nothing stands out as being the cause of the differing behavior. Exactly what does mutt read when it is executing the reverse_name function? [I also found the definition of McQ on the alt.fan.warlord pages. I guess I miscommunicated my newbieness - I am a new e-mail administrator, but not new to Usenet and the Internet. I was first on Usenet with my 300 baud modem in September 1988. I looked into the issue of sig length about 10 years ago, and I seem to recall that it was 72 characters at that time, because of teletype limitations. I didn't realize that it was now 80 characters, and called McQ.] -- Patrick Draper| Don't |[EMAIL PROTECTED] Austin, Texas | Fear |Father Order runs at a http://www.pdrap.org | The|good pace, but old Mother Be Microsoft Free - Use Linux |Penguin |Chaos is winning the race.
Re: Copying from one header to another
Patrick -- ...and then Patrick Draper said... % % On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 11:37:01AM -0500, David T-G wrote: % I can say from experience that you can even set it to pdrap.org and be % done with it. That would work for me except for where my wife and I get % % Thanks, setting it to pdrap.org also seems to work well. Yay! % % But, I still have a puzzling situation. I am a subscriber to two different % yahoo groups, both of the under that address [EMAIL PROTECTED] % % When I reply to one, mutt fills in the From: header properly, with the % address [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK. % % When I reply to the other one, mutt does not generate any From: header at Interesting... It's certainly not supposed to do that! % all. This is very puzzling to me, since the envelope address is the same on % both e-mails. I have compared the headers side by side and nothing stands % out as being the cause of the differing behavior. Exactly what does mutt % read when it is executing the reverse_name function? It wouldn't hurt to run diff over them, perhaps removing any Received: lines with timestamps as well. Is there a List-Reply-To: or any sort of followup header? What if you try to reply *without* your alternates and other settings, as in mutt -F /dev/null -f /path/to/problem/message after saving off the message to its own mailbox (for convenience)? % % [I also found the definition of McQ on the alt.fan.warlord pages. I guess Yep :-) How did you like the gif-in-the-McQ-sig? % I miscommunicated my newbieness - I am a new e-mail administrator, but not Well, an email admin needs to be McQ, too :-) % new to Usenet and the Internet. I was first on Usenet with my 300 baud modem % in September 1988. I looked into the issue of sig length about 10 years ago, Hey, cool. I hit Usenet (news) and the 'net (ftp) incredibly lightly in 1986, but dug in when I went back to school in January '89; I was mostly doing BBS stuff before then and had saved my precious pennies to buy a *gasp* 1200b modem :-) At school I soon found a job in my field (CS) and had the awesome untapped power of a T1 feed (or whatever UGA had back in those days), and I could jump from downloading hundreds of K per night to tens of M per night -- woo hoo! :-) % and I seem to recall that it was 72 characters at that time, because of % teletype limitations. I didn't realize that it was now 80 characters, % and called McQ.] I think the primary focus is on the number of lines, and most folks would probably say to keep it shorter to prevent quote damage, but most of 'em would also say to not quote sigs, either, so that hardly matters. % % -- % Patrick Draper| Don't |[EMAIL PROTECTED] % Austin, Texas | Fear |Father Order runs at a % http://www.pdrap.org | The|good pace, but old Mother % Be Microsoft Free - Use Linux |Penguin |Chaos is winning the race. HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg27601/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: How is it that mutt-users gets zero spam?
* Russell Hoover [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-04-24 16:17]: I am amazed that this list gets absolutely no spam. How is this accomplished? mutt-dev and mutt-users are closed lists. mails from non-subscribers need to be approved by moderators. Perhaps some tricks cam be passed on to zsh-users, which isn't nearly as air-tight when it comes to spam-infestation. well, five spams in a short time - that's unusally many on zsh-users. but you're right - who needs it? my save-hooks for mutt caught four of these - so they went to the +SPAM folder right away. and with this save-hook the fifth gets caught, too: save-hook ~f aol.com +SPAM hehe ;-) Sven
Re: mailing list setup (was: Copying from one header to another)
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-04-24 02:54]: Can mutt copy the contents of one header to another one? Can mutt change the contents of messages? No. I have many different e-mail addresses on my machine, all of which get read at a single account. Some of those addresses are for mailing lists, for example, at this mailing list I use [EMAIL PROTECTED] When I reply to the list I have to manually type in the address that the mail was sent to. folder-hook FOO 'my_hdr From: Patrick Draper [EMAIL PROTECTED]' send-hook listaddress 'my_hdr From: Patrick Draper [EMAIL PROTECTED]' Note: Missing names in From: lines are an indication for spam. Sven
Re: ZipLip - KillFile
* Paul Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-04-19 12:20]: On Friday, Apr 19, 2002, Sven Guckes wrote: Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: ZipLip Sonoma v3.2 great - yet another broken mailer which gets added to my killfile. Isn't ziplip webmail? Not saying that it isn't broken, just checking. =) webmailers are almost always broken. there are many reasons to avoid them. i'll give a list of reasons - real soon now. Sven [who just lost a lot of data on that very topic *sigh*]
Re: Score by mailer
* Johannes Berth [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-04-19 17:43]: Btw, am I right that there is no possibility to score by mailer with the score function since ~h is not allowed? So is there any other way to score (not only kill) by mailer? I searched in the mailing list archive and asked google, but I didn't find anything. you can always use procmail to help with the scoring. personally, i just use some save-hooks for that: save-hook ~h 'X-Mailer:.*web' +SPAM works for me :-) Sven
Re: ugly thread tree display
On Wed, Apr 24, 2002, Will Yardley wrote: perhaps you could explain what functionality is missing in Putty that SecureCRT has? for certain functions, SecureCRT is a lot better, but for many users, Putty is easier to use and provides the desired SecureCRT is just a lot more robust in pretty much every way. Session management I find infinitely better. One thing that pisses me off about Putty's is (correct me if I'm wrong) that if you make changes while the session is open, it doesn't give you the option to save it, just apply it to the current. And SCRT's mapped keys really saved my ass under Win2k. Entirely Logitech's fault, but SCRT allowed me to work around it perfectly. CRT also has context menus and great URL handling. I don't see any of that in Putty. And zmodem. I actually do use it when I am using SCRT. There is more, but I don't use either much anymore. we have Windows users at our site that use both SecureCRT and Putty, and some prefer one, some prefer another. i generally prefer Putty, and use it when given a choice, but i don't use windows that much so i may be missing some horrible problems Point taken. Putty is fine for basic functionality, but when you use it every day, the differences really show up. i also find that i'm generally using putty in places where i don't usually connect (ie my parent's house, a friend's house, or whatever), and it's often a pain to install SecureCRT, whereas Putty is just a simple exe file. I totally agree here. On friends' machines and such where I am sometimes, so I can ssh, I will always download putty.exe and drop it into their system/system32 directory so I can access it from Start - Run. Very convenient, and they never need know it's there. i haven't messed with it too much, but i don't think i've gotten the acs characters working right in CRT, while they usually work fine in Putty. as someone who uses Eterms or xterms most of the time, i don't find too many things that i'm unable to do in Putty. I don't know what acs characters are, but you are right. It is general usability that makes the differences, and when you use it a lot, there are a lot. -Ken
sent mails
Hello, how can I tell mutt to keep the sent mails? When the mail is sent, it is gone - for ever:( Unfortunately I can't see what I sent to somebody sometime ago. Can you help me? Thanks Peter -- Der Mensch kommt nie aus Vernunft zur Vernunft. [Montesquieu]
Re: quotes - set attribution=`script`
On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 01:08:18PM -0500, David Champion wrote: * On 2002.04.22, in 20020423004208.GA10973@bernard, * Bernard Massot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I managed to do it, with this ugly hack : ... but I feel it's not the best solution ;) Did you try my patch? It should make it pretty easy. set attribution=if [ %[%w] = 1 ]; then echo -n \D'al %%d, %%n en deus skrivet:%%\; else echo -n \D'ar %%d, %%n en deus skrivet:%%\; fi | It works, thank you ! But I want it to apply in a send-hook. How can quote it properly ? I tried different combinations of simple quotes, double quotes and backskashes, but no one worked. -- Bernard Massot msg27608/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: sent mails
Peter Hennicke ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) muttered: how can I tell mutt to keep the sent mails? When the mail is sent, it is gone - for ever:( Unfortunately I can't see what I sent to somebody sometime ago. set record=+sent-mail This will put every mail you send out in $folder/sent-mail. Look for fcc-hook and fcc-save-hook in the manual, also. HTH, Michael -- PGP-Key: http://www-stud.ims.uni-stuttgart.de/~tatgeml/public.key
Re: sent mails
This seems to work for me in my .muttrc file. fcc-hook . ~/Mail/sent-mail Joel On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 11:08:57PM +0200, Peter Hennicke wrote: Hello, how can I tell mutt to keep the sent mails? When the mail is sent, it is gone - for ever:( Unfortunately I can't see what I sent to somebody sometime ago. Can you help me? Thanks Peter -- Der Mensch kommt nie aus Vernunft zur Vernunft. [Montesquieu]
Re: sent mails
Hi, * Peter Hennicke [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-04-24 23:08]: how can I tell mutt to keep the sent mails? Set the $record variable in your mutt.rc. Thorsten -- In dem Augenblick, wo wir anfangen unsere Freiheitsrechte einzuschränken, besorgen wir das Geschäft der Terroristen. - Günter Grass
Re: quotes - set attribution=`script`
* On 2002.04.24, in 20020424212120.GA7108@bernard, * Bernard Massot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: set attribution=if [ %[%w] = 1 ]; then echo -n \D'al %%d, %%n en deus skrivet:%%\; else echo -n \D'ar %%d, %%n en deus skrivet:%%\; fi | It works, thank you ! But I want it to apply in a send-hook. How can quote it properly ? I tried different combinations of simple quotes, double quotes and backskashes, but no one worked. Two ideas: 1. Place this set command in a separate file -- say, ~/.muttrc-brezhoneg. Put your current setting in ~/.muttrc-english. Set these send-hooks: send-hook .source ~/.muttrc-english send-hook [EMAIL PROTECTED] source ~/.muttrc-brezhoneg OR: 2. Place the shell stuff in a separate script: --- SNIP #!/bin/sh if [ $1 = 1 ]; then echo -n D'al %d, %n en deus skrivet:% else echo -n D'ar %d, %n en deus skrivet:% fi --- SNIP And call this script from your send-hook to simplify quoting: send-hook .set attribution='normal attribution' send-hook [EMAIL PROTECTED] set attribution='script.sh %[%w] |' You can get fancier, but either of those should basically work. -- -D.[EMAIL PROTECTED]NSITUniversity of Chicago
Re: sent mails - set copy
* Peter Hennicke [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-04-24 21:03]: how can I tell mutt to keep the sent mails? When the mail is sent, it is gone - for ever:( set copy Unfortunately I can't see what I sent to somebody sometime ago. Can you help me? RTFM! Sven -- http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/setup/muttrc.minimal
Re: Hang while sorting
On Thursday, April 18, 2002 6:19 pm, Eric Christopherson wrote: Hi. I'm having a bad problem with mutt: it tends to hang whenever it decides it says Sorting mailbox... (any time I try to quit, change folders, or recall a postponed message). It simply stops responding, and only SIGKILL seems to kill it. My version is 1.3.28-1 from Debian sid; the [snip] I'd really appreciate it if someone could respond, even if they don't know what the cause or solution to my problem is. Thanks.
Re: Hang while sorting
On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 05:02:49PM -0500, Eric Christopherson wrote: On Thursday, April 18, 2002 6:19 pm, Eric Christopherson wrote: Hi. I'm having a bad problem with mutt: it tends to hang whenever it decides it says Sorting mailbox... (any time I try to quit, change folders, or recall a postponed message). It simply stops responding, and only SIGKILL seems to kill it. My version is 1.3.28-1 from Debian sid; the [snip] I'd really appreciate it if someone could respond, even if they don't know what the cause or solution to my problem is. Thanks. How big is the mailbox that is being sorted? Mine is huge, and even with 2 PIII-866, it takes a while. Open up another shell session and look at what's eating CPU and beating on disk. On my FreeBSD system, I'd use top and vmstat for this. -- Mike Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tired old sysadmin since 1964
Re: quotes - set attribution=`script`
On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 04:53:36PM -0500, David Champion wrote: But I want it to apply in a send-hook. How can quote it properly ? I tried different combinations of simple quotes, double quotes and backskashes, but no one worked. Two ideas: 1. Place this set command in a separate file -- say, ~/.muttrc-brezhoneg. Put your current setting in ~/.muttrc-english. Set these send-hooks: send-hook .source ~/.muttrc-english send-hook [EMAIL PROTECTED] source ~/.muttrc-brezhoneg I've chosen this one since I also have to set $locale and $date_format in these cases. Is there a chance that this patch will be a part of the next mutt release ? -- Bernard Massot msg27616/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Copying from one header to another
Hi, * Patrick Draper [04/24/02 20:03:12 CEST] wrote: On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 11:37:01AM -0500, David T-G wrote: I can say from experience that you can even set it to pdrap.org and be done with it. That would work for me except for where my wife and I get Thanks, setting it to pdrap.org also seems to work well. Note: These are regular expressions. So [EMAIL PROTECTED] should match, too. [I also found the definition of McQ on the alt.fan.warlord pages. I guess I miscommunicated my newbieness - I am a new e-mail administrator, but not new to Usenet and the Internet. I was first on Usenet with my 300 baud modem in September 1988. I looked into the issue of sig length about 10 years ago, and I seem to recall that it was 72 characters at that time, because of teletype limitations. I didn't realize that it was now 80 characters, and called McQ.] Well, some people (for no obvious reasons) quote signatures which is kind of useless. When quoting text nowadays, a limit of 72 characters always makes sence with different quoting levels. I quite often work at 80x25 sized terminals and it looks awfull to have wrapped the text to fit on screen. Cheers, Rocco. msg27617/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
imap folder management
Hey people. I have a work account that I'd like to check now and then via imap, but the server is not always accessible as I must use an IPsec client to create the connection when I need it. What's the best way to configure Mutt to make it easy to check my work imap folders? I don't want to add the folders to my watched folders as they're not always available. Thanks, Mike -- Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED], GnuPG pub key: 5BC8BE08 ...the word HACK is used as a verb to indicate a massive amount of nerd-like effort. -Harley Hahn, A Student's Guide to Unix msg27618/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ZipLip - KillFile
Hi, * Sven Guckes [04/24/02 22:28:31 CEST] wrote: webmailers are almost always broken. Yes. there are many reasons to avoid them. i'll give a list of reasons - real soon now. Any chance to include privacy issues? At least there should be a few notes. Cheers, Rocco. msg27619/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Hang while sorting
Eric -- ...and then Eric Christopherson said... % % On Thursday, April 18, 2002 6:19 pm, Eric Christopherson wrote: % Hi. I'm having a bad problem with mutt: it tends to hang whenever it ... % % I'd really appreciate it if someone could respond, even if they don't know % what the cause or solution to my problem is. Thanks. Here's a response. Sorry I can't be more helpful but I didn't know the answer either of the last two times I saw the message, either -- but I certainly figured someone else would have the time to respond to message number two (shame on me). Good luck! :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg27620/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: sent mails
On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Peter Hennicke wrote: Hello, Howdy. how can I tell mutt to keep the sent mails? Since folks mentioned 3 or 4 different ways of doing this, i thought i'd show you how I do it. send-hook . my_hdr Fcc: +.sent_`date +%Y_%B` this creates an outgoing mail box like INBOX.sent_2002_april Makes it handy for searching for things, if I remember roughly when they occured. Cheers, -Tim -- Tim Kennedy International Man of Mystery [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ugly thread tree display
On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 04:39:31PM -0400, Ken Weingold wrote: On Wed, Apr 24, 2002, Will Yardley wrote: perhaps you could explain what functionality is missing in Putty that SecureCRT has? for certain functions, SecureCRT is a lot better, but for many users, Putty is easier to use and provides the desired SecureCRT is just a lot more robust in pretty much every way. Session management I find infinitely better. One thing that pisses me off about Putty's is (correct me if I'm wrong) that if you make changes while the session is open, it doesn't give you the option to save it, just apply it to the current. And SCRT's mapped keys really saved my This pissed us off as well. In fact, it made us scream and shout. -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V A) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Charite Campus Virchow-Klinikum Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Referat V A - Kommunikationsnetze - Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 Yesterday it worked. Today it is not working. Windows is like that.
