Re: vi - undo and redo (elvis,nvi,vile,vim)
* Cameron Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-05-30 14:20:15 +1000]: | PS: this *is* the vi mailing list, right? Of course. We're at least safe from Emacs users - all the hard core ones read their email inside emacs. It's possible to be a hard core emacs user and read your email in mutt, in emacs. . o O ( M-x term RET is your friend. ) -- Dave Pearson: | lbdb.el - LBDB interface. http://www.davep.org/ | sawfish.el - Sawfish mode. Emacs: | uptimes.el - Record emacs uptimes. http://www.davep.org/emacs/ | quickurl.el - Recall lists of URLs.
Re: [Announce] mutt-1.4 is out.
* Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-05-30 10:27:39 +0100]: The problem you describe is more likely caused by a bad locale or charset setting. That's it. On this box I've not got anything special set regarding locale: , | davep@hagbard:/usr/local/src/mutt-1.4$ locale | LANG=POSIX | LC_CTYPE=POSIX | LC_NUMERIC=POSIX | LC_TIME=POSIX | LC_COLLATE=POSIX | LC_MONETARY=POSIX | LC_MESSAGES=POSIX | LC_ALL= ` if I prefix the call to mutt with something like LANG=en_GB mutt correctly displays the GBP signs. Thanks for the pointer. The problem with ICONV_CONST might be solved by Lars Hecking's noiconv patch. It did. -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: installing mutt from source - hints
* David Thorburn-Gundlach [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-05-29]: Fergit RPMs (though our RPM team is starting to build them now) and just build your own from source like a real man. Heck, surf over to http://mutt.justpickone.org/mutt-build-cocktail/ and see how a *real* mess of a mutt is made :-) http://mutt.justpickone.org/mutt-build-cocktail/mutt-1.4i.patched-05.tar 12.9MB? ohmygod.. Seriously, though, building the source from scratch is pretty simple if you keep it stock. exactly. and here's what I do to install mutt: http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/mutt/install.html yes, pretty simple. :-) Sven -- Sven Guckes http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/mutt/setup.html Mutt setup from scratch, Sven's sample setup; attribution, limit, list vs subscribe, histories, mailcap, POP, hooks, use of external pagers, troubleshooting, adding header lines, from Mozilla to Mutt.
Re: to save tagged messages
* David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] [May 30. 2002 00:13]:
Fergit RPMs (though our RPM team is starting to build them now) and just
build your own from source like a real man. Heck, surf over to
Mutt for SuSE Linux 7.3 and 8.0:
ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/mmj/{7.3,8.0}/mutt-1.4i-0.i386.rpm
--
Mads Martin Jørgensen, http://mmj.dk
Why make things difficult, when it is possible to make them cryptic
and totally illogic, with just a little bit more effort?
-- A. P. J.
aliases and address book
Hi Mutters, I'm curious if anyone has a good solution for using Mutt's aliasing feature as a good address book (email addr only). The problem I'm running into is that I couldn't possibly come up with a one word nickname for all 100 or so people I know. So instead of saying: alias Adam Smith, Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] alias Bob Jones, Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] alias Chuck Jackson, Chuck [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... I would like to to have to specify a nickname, such as: alias Smith, Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] alias Jones, Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] alias Jackson, Chuck [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... I'm willing to type in their full names, but I don't want to have to remember full email addresses. Is that legal? -Mike Arrison
Re: aliases and address book
On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 08:50:28AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to to have to specify a nickname, such as: alias Smith, Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] alias Jones, Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] alias Jackson, Chuck [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... I'm willing to type in their full names, but I don't want to have to remember full email addresses. Is that legal? You might run into problems with spaces, since the list of email addresses is separated by spaces. You could always do alias Adam_Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] or something similar. HTH... -- David SmithWork Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] STMicroelectronics Home Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bristol, England
Re: aliases and address book
* Mike Arrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-05-30 08:50:28 -0400]: I'm curious if anyone has a good solution for using Mutt's aliasing feature as a good address book (email addr only). The problem I'm running into is that I couldn't possibly come up with a one word nickname for all 100 or so people I know. [SNIP] How about, instead of using aliases, you use mutt's address query facility (see section 4.5 of the manual)? Then, all you need do is type in the part of their name that you can remember and hit the query key. -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: installing mutt from source - hints
Sven -- ...and then Sven Guckes said... % % * David Thorburn-Gundlach [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-05-29]: % Fergit RPMs (though our RPM team is starting to build them now) and % just build your own from source like a real man. Heck, surf over to %http://mutt.justpickone.org/mutt-build-cocktail/ % and see how a *real* mess of a mutt is made :-) % % http://mutt.justpickone.org/mutt-build-cocktail/mutt-1.4i.patched-05.tar % 12.9MB? ohmygod.. Now, be fair... That's a completely-patched source tree that hasn't been compressed; even the stock mutt tarball is nearly 9M when unzipped. With this version, I'll be compressing the tarballs that go into the Clean directory and I expect they'll be under 3M. % % Seriously, though, building the source from % scratch is pretty simple if you keep it stock. % % exactly. and here's what I do to install mutt: % http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/mutt/install.html % yes, pretty simple. :-) My no-patch version looks about like that, except that I store all of the configure stuff in a separate script because I'm lazy. % % Sven % % -- % Sven Guckes http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/mutt/setup.html % Mutt setup from scratch, Sven's sample setup; attribution, limit, list % vs subscribe, histories, mailcap, POP, hooks, use of external pagers, % troubleshooting, adding header lines, from Mozilla to Mutt. HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg28393/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
SuSE RPMs (was Re: to save tagged messages)
Mads --
...and then Mads Martin Joergensen said...
%
% * David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] [May 30. 2002 00:13]:
% Fergit RPMs (though our RPM team is starting to build them now) and just
% build your own from source like a real man. Heck, surf over to
%
% Mutt for SuSE Linux 7.3 and 8.0:
%
% ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/mmj/{7.3,8.0}/mutt-1.4i-0.i386.rpm
Hey, awesome! Would you care to be part of the mutt RPM team? Drop a
note to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you can contribute. We have one
SuSE guy but I don't know that he has more than 6.x...
%
% --
% Mads Martin Jørgensen, http://mmj.dk
% Why make things difficult, when it is possible to make them cryptic
% and totally illogic, with just a little bit more effort?
% -- A. P. J.
TIA HAND
:-D
--
David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles
(play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie
(work) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg!
msg28394/pgp0.pgp
Description: PGP signature
mutt+exim+avmailgate
---BeginMessage--- I switched the server in my local network to Debian Woody. There runs Exim version 3.35 #1 built 04-Mar-2002 23:05:40. At least I installed avmailgate from http://www.hbedv.com/. Avmailgate is listening at port 25 and does a smtp forward to port 825. In exim.conf daemon_smtp_port = smtp-backdoor is configured, where smtp-backdoor is 825/tcp in the /etc/services. Now every mail fetched by fetchmail and relayed from a client is scanned by avmailgate. But when I send an email logged on the server itself, the mail is directly forwarded to exim without scanning through port 25. I am using mutt with set sendmail=sendmail -oi -oem configured. I am not shure, but this transports the mail indepentend from the listening port directly to exim (vs sendmail)? So how do I have to configure mutt's set sendmail to go through port 25 (AvMailgate)? Thanks in advance! Ciao Elimar -- It's a good thing we don't get all the government we pay for. -- ---End Message---
Re: aliases and address book
Mike -- ...and then Mike Arrison said... % % Hi Mutters, % I'm curious if anyone has a good solution for using Mutt's % aliasing feature as a good address book (email addr only). The problem So you're specifically not interested in abook or another add-on? No problem, but there are some that are highly recommended (see the archives). % I'm running into is that I couldn't possibly come up with a one word % nickname for all 100 or so people I know. So instead of saying: Ahhh... Yes, that's a problem, especially when Adam has both a home and a work address. % % alias Adam Smith, Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... % % I would like to to have to specify a nickname, such as: % % alias Smith, Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... % % I'm willing to type in their full names, but I don't want to have to % remember full email addresses. Is that legal? No, you have to have some alias name. In addition to the complete-query suggestion already posted (which will work well with lbdb even if you don't need a separate address book, since it can be rigged to capture every email address that ever comes in), you might find it helpful to name your aliases like fullnames, as alias adam.smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Adam Smith) alias adam.smith-work [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Adam at work) and so on. This, including the -* designation for various work, home, hotmail vs msn vs other mails and then an actual fname.lname alias which simply points the the alias of the account that the person wants to use this week, works quite well for me and my 1228 single aliases (as well as 32 group aliases, some nested). % % -Mike Arrison HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg28396/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Managing multiple IMAP accounts
I'm having trouble trying to access two IMAP accounts on the same server. I'm trying to do it using account-hook. my .muttrc looks like: set record=imap://jennyw@localhost/INBOX.Sent set imap_pass=password set spoolfile=imap://jennyw@localhost/INBOX set folder=imap://jennyw@localhost/ account-hook imap://jennyw2@localhost 'set imap_pass=password2' I also tried adding: account-hook . 'unset imap_pass' since it was in the manual, even though I'm not really sure when it's invoked (I figured it was used as an example because it referred to the local Maildir?). Anyway, thanks in advance! Jen
evim and encoding
Hi! set editor=evim # simple mode of vim 6.1 on linux set abort_unmodified=no # because mutt doesn't acknowledge the # changes and I don't want confusing # messages With this setup, I'm asked if I want to update encoding of each message I'm about to send. Is there a way around this question, can I make mutt (1.3.28) default to yes, update the encoding? -Andre msg28402/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: evim and encoding
* David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED], 2002-05-30 15:54 -0400: Andre -- ...and then Andre Berger said... % % Hi! Hello! % % set editor=evim # simple mode of vim 6.1 on linux % set abort_unmodified=no # because mutt doesn't acknowledge the % # changes and I don't want confusing % # messages % % With this setup, I'm asked if I want to update encoding of each Hmmm... Before you go blaming your setup, you might check the most common source of this problem: clock drift between your workstation and your NFS server. The reason you're asked about the encoding is because the file's timestamp is newer than mutt expects and so it figures that something has touched it and so it wants to know if it should peek at the file to see if it's should still be QP or base64 or whatever. Yes, it thinks the file is newer (and it is). I guess the problem is evim (a gui program) is not running on the same terminal as mutt, in fact in no terminal. % message I'm about to send. Is there a way around this question, can I % make mutt (1.3.28) default to yes, update the encoding? I don't think so, but you might check the archives for how other people have taken care of this if not through clock syncing. All mails are on the same local ext2 partition, so I don't think that should be the problem. -Andre msg28405/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: evim and encoding
Andre -- ...and then Andre Berger said... % % * David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED], 2002-05-30 15:54 -0400: % % ...and then Andre Berger said... % % ... % % set editor=evim # simple mode of vim 6.1 on linux ... % % With this setup, I'm asked if I want to update encoding of each % % Hmmm... Before you go blaming your setup, you might check the most ... % % Yes, it thinks the file is newer (and it is). I guess the problem is So it *is* your setup :-) % evim (a gui program) is not running on the same terminal as mutt, in % fact in no terminal. OK. So when evim fires off, does mutt return immediately, or does it wait for evim to finish? In the case of the former, can you tell evim not to fork but to instead remain in the foreground for as long as the window is open and *then* exit and return? That will get mutt to wait until the update is done (and should take care of the abort_unmodified bit since mutt won't look to the message file until it *has* been modified) and should take care of your needs. % ... % All mails are on the same local ext2 partition, so I don't think that % should be the problem. Right; you've pinned it down above. Good enough. % % -Andre HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg28406/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: evim and encoding
--GvXjxJ+pjyke8COw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED], 2002-05-30 16:23 -0400: Andre -- =20 ...and then Andre Berger said... %=20 % * David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED], 2002-05-30 15:54 -0400: % =20 % ...and then Andre Berger said... % %=20 ... % % set editor=3Devim # simple mode of vim 6.1 on linux=20 ... % % With this setup, I'm asked if I want to update encoding of each % =20 % Hmmm... Before you go blaming your setup, you might check the most ... %=20 % Yes, it thinks the file is newer (and it is). I guess the problem is =20 So it *is* your setup :-) Yeah!=20 % evim (a gui program) is not running on the same terminal as mutt, in % fact in no terminal. =20 =20 OK. So when evim fires off, does mutt return immediately, or does it wait for evim to finish? In the case of the former, can you tell evim not to fork but to instead remain in the foreground for as long as the Bingo! -f does the trick! window is open and *then* exit and return? That will get mutt to wait until the update is done (and should take care of the abort_unmodified bit since mutt won't look to the message file until it *has* been modified) and should take care of your needs. =20 =20 %=20 ... % All mails are on the same local ext2 partition, so I don't think that % should be the problem. =20 Right; you've pinned it down above. Good enough. Thank you very much, David. -Andre --GvXjxJ+pjyke8COw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE89p2xWkhBtALlJZ0RAvIsAKCuIEBIkUjM98RIxYPQU4+7hul+gQCfT4O9 GLsNxce2ydIOAF3aP3J83Qg= =cm7v -END PGP SIGNATURE- --GvXjxJ+pjyke8COw--
some mail not reaching it's destination
Hello, Firstly I'm using sendmail and fetchmail to do the obvious. I seem to be receiving all the mail that's sent to me. The problem is that certain mail (ie. mail that is sent to friends addresses at work) does not arrive. I can send mail to myself and to a friends two-way pager, I've also subscribed and unsubscribed to lists such as this. Must be my setup, right? Nick
Re: some mail not reaching it's destination
Nick Stewart ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) muttered: Firstly I'm using sendmail to do the obvious. The problem is that certain mail does not arrive. Must be my setup, right? Most likely. Did you set $envelope_from? HTH, Michael -- PGP-Key: http://www-stud.ims.uni-stuttgart.de/~tatgeml/public.key
Re: some mail not reaching it's destination
On 05/31@02:13, Michael Tatge wrote: Nick Stewart ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) muttered: Firstly I'm using sendmail to do the obvious. The problem is that certain mail does not arrive. Must be my setup, right? Most likely. Did you set $envelope_from? Thanks for the advice. Should I set envelope from to yes or no? What will this do? Best, Nick HTH, Michael -- PGP-Key: http://www-stud.ims.uni-stuttgart.de/~tatgeml/public.key
Re: some mail not reaching it's destination
Nick Stewart wrote: On 05/31@02:13, Michael Tatge wrote: Nick Stewart ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) muttered: Firstly I'm using sendmail to do the obvious. The problem is that certain mail does not arrive. Must be my setup, right? Most likely. Did you set $envelope_from? Thanks for the advice. Should I set envelope from to yes or no? What will this do? RTFM. basically it sets the envelope sender (ie the Return-Path) of the email. this isn't the default because sendmail won't let all users set this header - usually they have to be a trusted user (or sendmail will set the headers but add 'X-Authentication-Warning' headers). generally you want to set this. of course there are plenty of other reasons mail might not be getting sent. generally your *logs* are a good place to check; saying 'certain mail does not arrive' is pretty much the same thing as saying 'it doesn't work'. -- Will Yardley input: william @ hq . newdream . net .
Migrating from Sylpheed
Lo, All. I am interested in trying to convert from Sylpheed to Mutt. I have read the manual and am having success with a variety of things but have a couple of questions. 1. Even though my $MAIL is set correctly, I don't seem to be pulling mail from my spool, through procmail and into my various mail folders. 2. Is there a way to easily move an e-mail from one folder to another? I see a copy option but not move. Thanks for the help. -- Michael Herman
Re: Migrating from Sylpheed
Hi, * Michael Herman [05/31/02 06:39:48 CEST] wrote: I am interested in trying to convert from Sylpheed to Mutt. I have read the manual and am having success with a variety of things but have a couple of questions. 1. Even though my $MAIL is set correctly, I don't seem to be pulling mail from my spool, through procmail and into my various mail folders. That is not mutt's job. Your local MTA should be set up to use procmail for final delivery. Procmail will then sort into different folders. 2. Is there a way to easily move an e-mail from one folder to another? I see a copy option but not move. You can either copy or save the message to another folder. If you save it (usually bound to 's') mutt will mark the original mail as deleted upon success - copying a message does copy only. HTH, Cheers, Rocco
Re: Migrating from Sylpheed
On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 06:55:06AM +0200, Rocco Rutte wrote: Hi, * Michael Herman [05/31/02 06:39:48 CEST] wrote: I am interested in trying to convert from Sylpheed to Mutt. I have read the manual and am having success with a variety of things but have a couple of questions. 1. Even though my $MAIL is set correctly, I don't seem to be pulling mail from my spool, through procmail and into my various mail folders. That is not mutt's job. Your local MTA should be set up to use procmail for final delivery. Procmail will then sort into different folders. I'm using fetchmail to retrieve the mail from my ISP account. I don't have a .forward file but when I seem to remember that procmail doesn't need one these days. 2. Is there a way to easily move an e-mail from one folder to another? I see a copy option but not move. You can either copy or save the message to another folder. If you save it (usually bound to 's') mutt will mark the original mail as deleted upon success - copying a message does copy only. Thanks. -- Michael Herman
Re: Migrating from Sylpheed
Hi, * Michael Herman [05/31/02 07:09:45 CEST] wrote: On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 06:55:06AM +0200, Rocco Rutte wrote: * Michael Herman [05/31/02 06:39:48 CEST] wrote: 1. Even though my $MAIL is set correctly, I don't seem to be pulling mail from my spool, through procmail and into my various mail folders. That is not mutt's job. Your local MTA should be set up to use procmail for final delivery. Procmail will then sort into different folders. I'm using fetchmail to retrieve the mail from my ISP account. I don't have a .forward file but when I seem to remember that procmail doesn't need one these days. Your MTA (the one fetchmail delivers mail to) has to support a per user forward file. If your MTA delivers directly to the user's spoolfile then you need a ~/.forward in order to make procmail work[1]. You don't need one if your MTA uses procmail for final delivery -- or you advice fetchmail to use procmail as your MDA (see fetchmail(1), option '-m'). If you're not really familar with changing the config of your MTA then you may want to use ~/.forward or set up fetchmail to deliver directly via procmail. Cheers, Rocco [1] You can also run formail with option '-s' to call procmail.
