Re: [mutt-nntp] inline images

2002-06-08 Thread Andre Berger


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* Rocco Rutte [EMAIL PROTECTED], 2002-06-07 23:49 -0400:
 Hi,
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 * Andre Berger [02-06-08 04:45:05 +0200] wrote:
  How can I view inline images like
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  --begin example--
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  begin 666 car30001.jpg
  M_]C_X `02D9)1@`!`0```0`!``#_X2'317AI9@``24DJ``@(``\!`@`6
  [snip]
  ;17D$:2OL,:D@G/\ZZ!BR\G-,*U5'=3DW/_9
  `
  end
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  --end example--
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  in mutt-nntp (Orjan's patch)? I tried to pipe the message
  to xv and the like but it seems those image viewers don't
  recognoze the STDIN.  Probably my setup...
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 Ever tried uudecode(1)? You can just pipe the article
 through it and should get the files. Maybe you want to
 use a short shell script as a wrapper which also sets=20
 the download directory for your ware^H^H^Hfiles.
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 If you clean the directory up afterwards, you can use=20
 the output of ls to call your image viewer.
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 It could look similar to:
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   #!/bin/sh
   dir=3D$HOME/tmp/downloads/warez
   cd $dir
   uudecode -c  xv `ls $dir/*.jpg`
=20
 HTH,
 Cheers, Rocco

It did. Though my uudecode doesn't support the -c flag. So my
solution is:

macro pager \cV decode-copy/tmp/nntp.tempenteryshell-escapeuudeview =
-i -b -p /tmp/ -d /tmp/nntp.temp  gqview /tmp/  rm /tmp/nntp.temp\n B=
ilder ansehen (Inline)

which makes a decoded copy /tmp/nntp.temp,
calls uudeview (which decodes everything it can w/o asking into /tmp/),
calls gqview (an image viewer) on /tmp/ so that I can see/save/whatever
images in /tmp,
and finally removes the decoded msg /tmp/nntp.temp

Thank you very much

-Andre

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Re: [mutt-nntp] inline images

2002-06-08 Thread Rocco Rutte

Hi,

* Andre Berger [02-06-08 08:45:05 +0200] wrote:

 It did. Though my uudecode doesn't support the -c flag. So
 my solution is:

On my system (FreeBSD 4.5-p6) 'uudecode -c' extracts all
parts instead of only the first. I usually don't pass a
filename as an argument since a) there may be multiple files
and b) why not use the name given.

I don't have 'uudeview' but if it supports extracting
everything to a specific folder using the original
filenames, you can just save your news articles to a
dedicated directory at once (tag the messages and save
them).

Vvv.nntp (the nntp patch I use) saves them to a mbox folder
and I simply run 'uudecode -c /path/to/file' to extract
everything at once.

The advantage is that you don't waste server capacities
(which doesn't matter if you've got a local one).

Anyways, glad to help.

Cheers, Rocco



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Re: Managing mailboxes with fixed prefix

2002-06-08 Thread Jussi Ekholm

David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ...and then Jussi Ekholm said...
 This is probably a stupid question, but I'll ask it anyway because it
 has been bothering me since I first subscribed to mutt-user. ;-)
 
 Not stupid :-)

Yeah! Didn't someone say, that:

  There is no stupid questions, there is only stupid people.

And wasn't that someone our dear mimbari, Draal, in Babylon 5? :-D

 What's the thing with mailboxes with filename starting with IN
 
 It's just a convention, rather than anything as lofty as a standard,
 and when folks see it they often take it up for themselves.

Ah, I see. Then, I use a little different sorting methods and folder
names. ;-) I don't have any folder, which would contain some string
which would imply that the mail is coming in -- except 'inbox', of
course.

 When I started working with email I simply used =F.* for 'f'olders
 that caught list mail; my mutt-users (and mutt-rpm and mutt-announce,
 BTW) mail comes into =F.mutt

I've set Procmail to sort every mailing list into a different folder,
thus mutt-users goes to =mutt-users. And mutt-dev goes to =mutt-dev.
And all debian-* lists are sorted the same way, too. Then I have some
local mailboxes, like =logcheck, =cron and so on. And every read mail
goes to =archive/same_named_folder. I'm pretty satisfied with it, and
it's pretty logical. For me, at least. :-)

 You can also check back in the archives for various posts talking
 about organizing mail folders and such. Lots of people have tried
 various methods, each with their merits but none sufficiently perfect
 to take over the world :-)

Hehe, I know what you mean. :-)

I have to admit; I'm the kind of guy, who wants to organize
*everything*. So, I'm constantly modifying my ~/.muttrc and every other
possible thing. My next big project is to fully re-organize the
keymappings of Slrn. Mutt comes next. :-)

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Muttprint for Cygwin (was Re: Mutt/Cygwin shortcomings)

2002-06-08 Thread Thomas Baker

On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 03:31:43PM +0200, Olaf Foellinger wrote:
  3) no Muttprint or functional equivalent;
 
 in .muttrc 
 
 set print_command=$HOME/bin/print
 
 $ cat ~/bin/print
 #!/bin/sh
 cat  .printout
 lpr -S server -P printer .printout
 
 where server is a windows print server with lpd enabled.

This script solved my more basic problem of getting _anything_
to my printer from the Cygwin command line.  However,
it does not pretty print in the style of Muttprint (see
http://muttprint.sourceforge.net/pics/sampe.png).  

However, enscript has recently appeared in the Cygwin distribution,
so putting Olaf's script together with a suggestion Darren made on 
this list a few months ago yields:

$ cat ~/bin/muttprint
#!/bin/sh
enscript -Email  .printout
c:/winnt/system32/lpr -S server -P printer .printout

which at least highlights the headers differently from the text
body, but does not suppress header lines such as Received:,
X-*:, etc, in the manner of Muttprint.

The script uses the full path for lpr because the Cygwin lpr
behaves differently.

Tom

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Re: about 'mutt-users' mailing list

2002-06-08 Thread Jussi Ekholm

David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ...and then Jussi Ekholm said...
 This thing has happened for me twice or thrice already, so now I decided
 to ask what's going on. I am subscribed to this list, but on some
 occasions (the two or three incidents I mentioned) I have received an
 email where I was told, that I wasn't subscribed to mutt-users.
[...]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 That is, I admit, interesting, since that's the address I see above,
 which implies that you are subscribed with *that* address.

Yup, that's why it made me so confused. And as I said, it wasn't the
first time I got this message - so, the confusion and actually even
frustration made me whine about this here. :-)

 Let's see, here... I see that Cedric has approved a few recent mails
 from you, but not this one to which I am replying... I know it's a
 silly question, but are you *really* sure you're [still] subscribed
 from this address?

Well, I'm quite, quite sure - because after I received that message I
pasted here, I sent a new (my third or fourth, I think) subscription
message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ;-) And I'm *100%* sure, that I've never
unsubscribed from the list myself...

 If you want to join the list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED],
 with subscribe mutt-users in the message text (not the subject).
 
 It never hurts to try, you know :-)

Already mentioned above, but still - I've done that about four times,
because this wasn't the first time it happened to me. And always after
sending subscription mail to Majordomo, everything seems to go smoothly
again. I'm hoping, that *now* my subscription would last a bit longer
than before... *g*.

 ... the list software and the moderator(s) have been known to kick people
 off for bounced messages, but if you haven't had any other mail hiccups
 this is unlikely.

Umm... at least *I* haven't done it. I don't know, if someone has been
impersonating me or something - I guess it's possible. I know for sure,
that at least *one* person has knowingly (with bad intentions, of
course) added me to many spam lists. Who knows what else he has done...

I'm thinking of reporting this guy's behaviour to his ISP, but all I got
for evidence is logs from IRC. They aren't very valuable, now are they?

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Re: recommend good address book

2002-06-08 Thread Jussi Ekholm

David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ...and then Kevin Coyner said...
 I'm enjoying using Mutt, although mangling the messages, but
 am wondering whether there is a good console type address
 book to use with it?
 
 1) I don't use it, but I hear that abook is pretty good.

I use it, and it's pretty good, IMHO. There's just one thing I'd like to
know; is it in *any way* possible to use abook's addresses in case of
forwarding of bouncing mails? I've read the help screen that pops up
when you press '?' in abook, but for no avail. This is actually the only
thing why I'm still keeping both, aliases and abook.addressbook...

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Re: about 'mutt-users' mailing list

2002-06-08 Thread Jussi Ekholm

Steve Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The goa-head.org mail starts bouncing, it gets unsubbed ...

I forgot to mention this: goa-head.org is just a redirect to my real
email address - a friend of mine put up this redirecting just because I
think, that goa-head.org is much cooler than the real address... ;-)

So, this could be the reason, huh? Was I stupid to subscribe with a
redirect address? Should I unsubscribe with goa-head.org and subscribe
again with that real one? Then again, I wouldn't be able to send mail to
this list from goa-head.org, which is my public address in Usenet and
mailing lists.

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Re: about 'mutt-users' mailing list

2002-06-08 Thread Cedric Duval

Jussi Ekholm wrote:
 Steve Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  The goa-head.org mail starts bouncing, it gets unsubbed ...

 I forgot to mention this: goa-head.org is just a redirect to my real
 email address - a friend of mine put up this redirecting just because I
 think, that goa-head.org is much cooler than the real address... ;-)

 So, this could be the reason, huh?

The problem comes from your other address:

| - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -
|  ekhowl@***.fi
| 
| - Transcript of session follows -
|  procmail: Unknown user ekhowl
|  550 ekhowl@***.fi... User unknown

More information off-list if you need some.

-- 
Cedric



Re: [OT] scriting abook, was: recommend good address book

2002-06-08 Thread Andre Berger

* Mike Arrison [EMAIL PROTECTED], 2002-06-06 16:39 -0400:
 Kevin,
 
  I'm enjoying using Mutt, although mangling the messages, but
  am wondering whether there is a good console type address
  book to use with it?
 
 I agree that abook is good.  In fact, it is the first project
 that to which I've felt obliged and able to contribute.  Its source is
 simple, so if you don't like the way it does something, or you want to
 add a feature, it's easy.  Yeah Open Source!
 
   -Mike Arrison

Talking about abook, is there a way to extract the snailmail address
of certain user for use in shell srcipts and the like?

-Andre



Re: Managing mailboxes with fixed prefix

2002-06-08 Thread Robert Ian Smit

On Sat, Jun 08, 2002 at 12:39:11PM +0300, Jussi Ekholm wrote:

 I've set Procmail to sort every mailing list into a different folder,
 thus mutt-users goes to =mutt-users. And mutt-dev goes to =mutt-dev.
 And all debian-* lists are sorted the same way, too. Then I have some
 local mailboxes, like =logcheck, =cron and so on. And every read mail
 goes to =archive/same_named_folder. I'm pretty satisfied with it, and
 it's pretty logical. For me, at least. :-)

I would use your system if it wasn't for large volume lists like
debian-user. When I don't read mail for say 24 hours there are
perhaps 200 to 300 new messages in debian-user. If I want to clear
messages quickly, but avoid deleting stuff that I want to keep for
reference or a reply, I open IN-* to see all new mail for that list.
From there it goes either to =* or I delete it. After that I open =*
and can focus on messages that need further attention.

By the way I also have ~/Mail/archive/*. So a message I want to keep
for eternity has been in three different mailboxes read/controlled
by mutt. Thank god for mutt this isn't the nightmare I would have
perceived it to be just a couple of weeks ago. At the time I was
using Win/Eudora for mail. Handling every message three times in a
mailer like that would drive me crazy.

Does anyone keep everything from a list like debian-user on their
hard-drive to have a local archive? I can imagine doing something
like that, because searching the web-based archives is a pain.
Is this a practical solution in regards to the size of the mailbox
(ie. disk usage and speed of searching)?

Bob



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Re: [mutt-nntp] inline images

2002-06-08 Thread Andre Berger


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* Rocco Rutte [EMAIL PROTECTED], 2002-06-08 09:34 -0400:
 Hi,
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 * Andre Berger [02-06-08 08:45:05 +0200] wrote:
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  It did. Though my uudecode doesn't support the -c flag. So
  my solution is:
=20
 On my system (FreeBSD 4.5-p6) 'uudecode -c' extracts all
 parts instead of only the first. I usually don't pass a
 filename as an argument since a) there may be multiple files
 and b) why not use the name given.

My uudecode is out of date, and I have trouble compiling a new one.
As I plan to upgrade to Debian 3.0 in the near future, I didn't
bother.
andre@mir:~$ uudecode -v   =20
uudecode - GNU sharutils 4.2.1
andre@mir:~$ uudecode --help
Usage: uudecode [FILE]...
Mandatory arguments to long options are mandatory to short options too.
  -h, --help   display this help and exit
  -v, --versionoutput version information and exit
  -o, --output-file=3DFILE   direct output to FILE

 I don't have 'uudeview' but if it supports extracting
 everything to a specific folder using the original
 filenames, you can just save your news articles to a
 dedicated directory at once (tag the messages and save
 them).

It doesn't keep the original filename, and the images have their
original names. Which is potentially problematic only if I want to
keep the images of message A, don't put them in my ~/Images folder,
and there are images with the same name in message B. Hmm. There is a
flag in uudeview that force overwriting existing file, -o.=20

 Vvv.nntp (the nntp patch I use) saves them to a mbox folder
 and I simply run 'uudecode -c /path/to/file' to extract
 everything at once.

That seems to be possible here too, using tagging. Given it would be
possible to pipe tagged messages into one file(?). The solution I
have now is so far good enough for me, but I might try this out
later.

 The advantage is that you don't waste server capacities
 (which doesn't matter if you've got a local one).
=20
 Anyways, glad to help.
=20
 Cheers, Rocco

I appreciate it!

A nice weekend to everyone!

-Andre

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Re: Managing mailboxes with fixed prefix

2002-06-08 Thread Andre Berger

* Robert Ian Smit [EMAIL PROTECTED], 2002-06-08 10:23 -0400:
 On Sat, Jun 08, 2002 at 12:39:11PM +0300, Jussi Ekholm wrote:
[on archiving]
 Does anyone keep everything from a list like debian-user on their
 hard-drive to have a local archive? I can imagine doing something
 like that, because searching the web-based archives is a pain.
 Is this a practical solution in regards to the size of the mailbox
 (ie. disk usage and speed of searching)?

I use mbox format (faster than Maildir) mailboxes, and a combination
of scoring and copying to archive what I consider to be important.

Essentially, the scoring:

set index_format=%4C %2M%Z (%2N) %[%y%m%d] %-17.17F (%3l) %s
set score_threshold_delete=0
set score_threshold_flag=30
set score_threshold_read=15
unscore *
score '~A' 20
score '~=' -
score '~P|~p|~Q' 20
folder-hook . 'score ~=|(!(~p|~P|~Q|~F)~d14d) -'
# Flagged as ! is colored cyan
color index cyan default '~F'

This deletes all messages that are either duplicate or not related to
me or not flagged as important, if they are older than two weeks.

folder-hook . 'save-hook . =save.%B'

This saves messages to a folder with the same name as the current
folder but preceded by save. when you hit s

macro   index   \eS   1\n\eV^T~A\nT(~P|~p|~Q|~F)~r3w\n;s\n Delete old; 
archive 
macro   pager   \eS   q1\n\eV^T~A\nT(~P|~p|~Q|~F)~r3w\n;s\n Delete old; 
archive

When you hit Esc S, your surviving messages older than three weeks
are moved to the respective folder preceeded by save. as set above.
The only problem is if there are no messages. In this case mutt wants
to copy the first message in the folder, and I can't find a way
around that. That's why I've set

#ask for confirmation on moves
folder-hook . 'set move=ask-yes'

I hope this helps!

-Andre



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bind for mailing list

2002-06-08 Thread Kurt Hindenburg

 I would like to bind 'r' to 'list-reply' when the message is from a 
 mailing list I'm subscribed to.  A catch-all one command would be nice.
 
   ~l  message is addressed to a known mailing list
 
 Should I use message-hook, folder-hook or what?
 
 # Hmm, don't think so... ~l is not a folder
 folder-hook ~l bind index r list-reply
 
 # Doesn't work
 message-hook ~l bind index r list-reply
 
 # Works of course for all messages
 bind index r list-reply
 
   Thoughts?
 



Re: [OT] scriting abook, was: recommend good address book

2002-06-08 Thread Mike Arrison

Andre,

On Sat, Jun 08, 2002 at 09:55:04AM -0400, Andre Berger wrote:
 Talking about abook, is there a way to extract the snailmail address
 of certain user for use in shell srcipts and the like?
 -Andre

Its funny, but I don't think there is a way currently.  That's a good
feature request.  If you know any C, you can add another export function
in the filter.c file.  I think even a custom exporter would be easy to
write at somepoint.  Whereby you could specifiy your output format with
a series of printf like commands %Name %Street %City %State %Zip
Wouldn't that be nifty?  Maybe I'll work on that, of if someone smarter
wants to jump in here.

-Mike Arrison



Re: bind for mailing list

2002-06-08 Thread Rocco Rutte

Hi,

* Kurt Hindenburg [02-06-08 17:15:07 +0200] wrote:
  I would like to bind 'r' to 'list-reply' when the message
  is from a mailing list I'm subscribed to.  A catch-all
  one command would be nice.

  # Hmm, don't think so... ~l is not a folder
  folder-hook ~l bind index r list-reply

  # Doesn't work
  message-hook ~l bind index r list-reply

  # Works of course for all messages
  bind index r list-reply

The problem is that you can define complex patterns but only
one command. That means, you can take exactly one action
(which may be a list of multiple ones) if a pattern matches.
How should mutt decide wether you want to reply to the list
or to the author?

I don't really know why someone would merge the great
different answering functions...

Cheers, Rocco



Re: [mutt-nntp] inline images

2002-06-08 Thread Rocco Rutte

Hi,

* Andre Berger [02-06-08 16:45:04 +0200] wrote:
 * Rocco Rutte [EMAIL PROTECTED],
   2002-06-08 09:34 -0400:

 My uudecode is out of date, and I have trouble compiling a
 new one.  As I plan to upgrade to Debian 3.0 in the near
 future, I didn't bother.
 andre@mir:~$ uudecode -v
 uudecode - GNU sharutils 4.2.1

Well, it isn't difficult to guess that a Linux distribution
ships with a GNU implementation while BSD doesn't.

  Vvv.nntp (the nntp patch I use) saves them to a mbox
  folder and I simply run 'uudecode -c /path/to/file' to
  extract everything at once.

 That seems to be possible here too, using tagging. Given
 it would be possible to pipe tagged messages into one
 file(?).

Some problems with word ``pipe'' here. ``Pipe'' means
nothing else than catching output of process A and passing
it to B as input. So to say, the pipe function in mutt does
cat(1) all tagged messages to a command. Of course, if your
command (uudeview, uudecode, whatever) can handle multiple
encoded files, you can tag-pipe all messages at once.

 A nice weekend to everyone!

...while it's raining outside all day.

Cheers, Rocco



maildir vs mbox

2002-06-08 Thread Kevin Coyner


I don't want to start a religious war, but is there consensus opinion
as to whether mbox or Maildir is better?  I know mutt supports both
automatically, so it's probably a bit of a mute question, but mutt
also gives you the option of specifying which format new folders are
set up in, so I thought I'd ask.

Thanks
Kevin

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Re: maildir vs mbox

2002-06-08 Thread Thorsten Haude

Hi,

* Kevin Coyner [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-06-08 23:23]:
I don't want to start a religious war, but is there consensus opinion
as to whether mbox or Maildir is better?  I know mutt supports both
automatically, so it's probably a bit of a mute question, but mutt
also gives you the option of specifying which format new folders are
set up in, so I thought I'd ask.
I don't think there is a consensus. It depends on file system and your
personal preferences.

It's not too complicated to change your folder to try it yourself.
Just make a backup, change $mbox_type and copy all messages in the new
folders.

Thorsten
-- 
The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the
spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that
spectrum.
- Noam Chomsky



trash patch

2002-06-08 Thread Kevin Coyner


I thought I'd give the trash patch a try, but being inexperienced with
command line patches, I've run into the following error, although I
thought I had the right syntax 

[kosuke@sumida mutt-1.4]$ patch -p1  patch-1.4.trash.txt
can't find file to patch at input line 4
Perhaps you used the wrong -p or --strip option?
The text leading up to this was:
--
|diff -pruN mutt-1.4.orig/commands.c mutt-1.4/commands.c
|--- mutt-1.4.orig/commands.cWed Apr  3 12:54:19 2002
|+++ mutt-1.4/commands.cSat Jun  1 23:42:05 2002
--
File to patch:

I've got the patch (patch-1.4.trash.txt) in the same directory as the
rest of the source files of mutt.

Any tips would be appreciated.

Thanks
Kevin
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