Re: definition of signature separator
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 03:51:31PM -0600, Kyle Wheeler wrote: For one thing, the fact that it's never become a standardized format, and is instead a mix-and-match set of conventions that every mail program has their own ideas about (often with disastrous results). I find that hilarious. And the fact that people continue to refer to mbox as a mailbox format, and continue to use it as if it were a portable useful format... As far as I can tell, it's good for one thing: mail that will only ever be accessed by a single piece of software. No different from other formats such as maildir then! :-) -- Chris Green
Re: Certificate
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, January 21 at 09:20 AM, quoth Tolga: When I connect to one remote server, I am told that my certificate expired and get (r)eject, accept (o)nce. When I connect to another one, I don't get it. What is this and what to do about it? It's not *your* certificate that's expired, it's *their* certificate. Whenever you connect to a server and encrypt that connection (i.e. with SSL), the server must have an encryption certificate to use for encrypting the connection (I'm being very broad here, but for the purposes of this discussion, this is relatively accurate). These certificates are generally only good for a certain amount of time (for several very good reasons), and so have an expiration date embedded in them. When you connect to a server, the server sends you information about its certificate that includes the expiration date. So what's happening is that one of the servers you connect to is using an expired certificate. Now, generally, that's bad: expired certificates *can* be a sign that someone has brute-forced the certificate and is performing a man-in-the-middle attack against you. Or it can also be a sign of a system administrator that's asleep at the wheel. Either way, it's something that needs to be fixed. Unfortunately, there's very little YOU can do to fix it, other than complain loudly to the people in charge of that particular server. ~Kyle - -- If I had been married earlier in life, I wouldn't have seen the double helix. I would have been taking care of the kids on Saturday. On the other hand, I was lonely a lot of the time. -- James Watson -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Thank you for using encryption! iEYEARECAAYFAkl3NyQACgkQBkIOoMqOI16nTgCgs4ZZAcbJ1zPQbqSL1SNoBM38 j44AoMuMAfBqcKg6Yn5zLLa9oa0sq7yT =UHYW -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: definition of signature separator
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, January 21 at 09:09 AM, quoth Chris G: On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 03:51:31PM -0600, Kyle Wheeler wrote: For one thing, the fact that it's never become a standardized format, and is instead a mix-and-match set of conventions that every mail program has their own ideas about (often with disastrous results). I find that hilarious. And the fact that people continue to refer to mbox as a mailbox format, and continue to use it as if it were a portable useful format... As far as I can tell, it's good for one thing: mail that will only ever be accessed by a single piece of software. No different from other formats such as maildir then! :-) How so? Maildir has a definitive definition written and published by the guy who designed it in the first place. http://cr.yp.to/proto/maildir.html (or, more formally, http://www.qmail.org/man/man5/maildir.html) There's a slight modification, called Maildir++, that is also well-defined (http://www.courier-mta.org/imap/README.maildirquota.html). What makes you say that Maildir is, like mbox, a poorly-defined non-standardized format that exists solely as an implementation-dependent manifestation that has disastrous inter-application results? ~Kyle - -- I love America more than any other country in this world, and, exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually. -- James Baldwin, Notes of a Native Son -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Thank you for using encryption! iEYEARECAAYFAkl3Oj8ACgkQBkIOoMqOI15cvgCg5OCaEaQi98VrwyuUEQ1PbbFZ DWIAnRAaPLZVOlkGP6NusK8CCkAmR3Rk =MlsU -END PGP SIGNATURE-
imap shuts down
Hi all, I have a problem with the local imap server which only maintains the connection open for 15 seconds. Unfortunately there is no way to convince the administrator to increase this timeout. Thunderbird somehow keeps the connection open by pinging permanently. However, Thunderbird is not my favorite email client. ;-) I have tried to tweak the parameters imap-keepalive timeout mail-check but couldn't make it work (using perhaps the wrong combination). Are there any other tricks you know of, maybe using tunneling or an external Perl script pinging (or a workable combination of mutt parameters)? Many thanx. Best, Mike -- pgpjp2lAmiEaq.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Certificate
Kyle Wheeler yazmış: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, January 21 at 09:20 AM, quoth Tolga: When I connect to one remote server, I am told that my certificate expired and get (r)eject, accept (o)nce. When I connect to another one, I don't get it. What is this and what to do about it? It's not *your* certificate that's expired, it's *their* certificate. Whenever you connect to a server and encrypt that connection (i.e. with SSL), the server must have an encryption certificate to use for encrypting the connection (I'm being very broad here, but for the purposes of this discussion, this is relatively accurate). These certificates are generally only good for a certain amount of time (for several very good reasons), and so have an expiration date embedded in them. When you connect to a server, the server sends you information about its certificate that includes the expiration date. So what's happening is that one of the servers you connect to is using an expired certificate. Now, generally, that's bad: expired certificates *can* be a sign that someone has brute-forced the certificate and is performing a man-in-the-middle attack against you. Or it can also be a sign of a system administrator that's asleep at the wheel. Either way, it's something that needs to be fixed. Unfortunately, there's very little YOU can do to fix it, other than complain loudly to the people in charge of that particular server. The one I get the (r)eject, accept (o) message with is one I own. So, how can I generate such a certificate? Regards, ~mto ~Kyle - -- If I had been married earlier in life, I wouldn't have seen the double helix. I would have been taking care of the kids on Saturday. On the other hand, I was lonely a lot of the time. -- James Watson -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Thank you for using encryption! iEYEARECAAYFAkl3NyQACgkQBkIOoMqOI16nTgCgs4ZZAcbJ1zPQbqSL1SNoBM38 j44AoMuMAfBqcKg6Yn5zLLa9oa0sq7yT =UHYW -END PGP SIGNATURE-
html mails and umlaute
Hi, To view html mails, I have this line in my .mailcap: text/html; elinks -dump -dump-charset ISO-8859-15 -default-mime-type text/html %s; needsterminal; copiousoutput; But it does not display Umlaute properly. Since I am german speeking, this is kind of anoying. I tried using UTF-8 for encoding, but it did not help. What should I do? Thanks! Nathan
Re: html mails and umlaute
* Nathan Huesken m...@lonely-star.org 22.01.2009 To view html mails, I have this line in my .mailcap: text/html; elinks -dump -dump-charset ISO-8859-15 -default-mime-type text/html %s; needsterminal; copiousoutput; But it does not display Umlaute properly. Since I am german speeking, this is kind of anoying. I tried using UTF-8 for encoding, but it did not help. What should I do? Hello Nathan, I have this in my mailcap and mutt show me the umlauts. text/html; elinks -dump -force-html %s; needsterminal; copiousoutput Mutt 1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Hth Michael PS: Please keep your mails at 72 chars, because it's better to read. -- Mary had a little lamb. The doctor was surprised. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: html mails and umlaute
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 06:41:25PM +0100, Nathan Huesken wrote:
To view html mails, I have this line in my .mailcap:
text/html; elinks -dump -dump-charset ISO-8859-15 -default-mime-type
text/html %s; needsterminal; copiousoutput;
i use:
text/html; elinks -dump -eval set document.codepage.assume = %{charset} %s;
copiousoutput
if your system is set up properly, there should be no need to specify
-dump-charset, elinks should use the proper charset for your terminal. it
is IME necessary to tell elinks about the encoding of the mail it has to
process, which mutt stores in the variable charset. elinks doesn't have a
proper command line switch to specify the document codepage, but the above
trick works.
HTH
--
Joost Kremers, PhD
University of Frankfurt
Institute for Cognitive Linguistics
Grüneburgplatz 1
60629 Frankfurt am Main, Germany
Re: html mails and umlaute
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On Wednesday, January 21 at 06:41 PM, quoth Nathan Huesken:
To view html mails, I have this line in my .mailcap:
text/html; elinks -dump -dump-charset ISO-8859-15 -default-mime-type
text/html %s; needsterminal; copiousoutput;
But it does not display Umlaute properly. Since I am german speeking, this is
kind of anoying. I tried using UTF-8 for encoding, but it did not help.
What should I do?
One of the basic problems with that is that it's rather difficult to
inform elinks about what the character set of the INPUT is. And since
it doesn't know about the INPUT character set, it cannot correctly
ensure that the OUTPUT is correct (the -dump-charset is telling it
what character set you want the OUTPUT to be in).
I would suggest using w3m instead of elinks because it has much better
character set handling. If you install w3m, here's the mailcap line
you want:
text/html; w3m -I %{charset} -dump -T text/html %s; copiousoutput
On the other hand, w3m sometimes has trouble forcing bad HTML to
render in 80 columns when in dump-mode. Personally, this isn't a big
enough problem to make me stop using it, but your experience may be
different.
~Kyle
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the democratic state itself.
-- Franklin D. Roosevelt
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Re: imap shuts down
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, January 21 at 05:37 PM, quoth Michael M. Tung: I have a problem with the local imap server which only maintains the connection open for 15 seconds. Unfortunately there is no way to convince the administrator to increase this timeout. Yike, that's a shockingly low timeout. He's aware that that timeout violates the IMAP protocol (which FORBIDS timeouts less than 30 minutes), and wastes a lot of bandwidth in pointless pinging, right? :P Thunderbird somehow keeps the connection open by pinging permanently. However, Thunderbird is not my favorite email client. ;-) Did you have to configure Thunderbird in a particular way? I ask because normally, Thunderbird is *incapable* of handling keepalive times of less than 1 minute. My guess is that Thunderbird is NOT actually keeping the connection open, but is instead merely opening new connections as necessary. I have tried to tweak the parameters imap-keepalive timeout mail-check but couldn't make it work (using perhaps the wrong combination). You may want to try updating your version of mutt. It had some problems with low values of imap_keepalive that got fixed recently (I *think* 1.5.19 has the necessary changes). ~Kyle - -- It is precisely because it is fashionable for Americans to know no science, even though they may be well educated otherwise, that they so easily fall prey to nonsense. -- Isaac Asimov -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Thank you for using encryption! iEYEARECAAYFAkl3YB8ACgkQBkIOoMqOI17TfACfdWQehH0U9nqAIYAtr2wbc1Lo Q3YAoMTcuIgU3lWGZJTa2dluTf9D50ad =jlKo -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Certificate
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, January 21 at 06:49 PM, quoth Tolga: Unfortunately, there's very little YOU can do to fix it, other than complain loudly to the people in charge of that particular server. The one I get the (r)eject, accept (o) message with is one I own. So, how can I generate such a certificate? How did you generate it in the first place? And what server software are you using? (Really, this is a question better suited for the support forums of your email *server* software, rather than your *client* software.) ~Kyle - -- And thou shalt smite the house of Ahab thy master, that I may avenge the blood of my servants the prophets, and the blood of all the servants of the LORD, at the hand of Jezebel. For the whole house of Ahab shall perish. -- Bible, II Kings (9:7-8) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Thank you for using encryption! iEYEARECAAYFAkl3YJIACgkQBkIOoMqOI15UYQCg5OF5Ro3c88MzLzp7ReRAvRcV NYoAoKFU/tZC6Hm6rKQJ1Bcasaj4eq6y =tSbQ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Certificate
Steve Searle yazmış: Around 04:49pm on Wednesday, January 21, 2009 (UK time), Tolga scrawled: The one I get the (r)eject, accept (o) message with is one I own. So, how can I generate such a certificate? Just guessing - but did you install the server a year ago? If so it propbably created a one year certificate when you installed it. Ubuntu Linux ~mto What server is it (OS/distro?) Steve -- You'd like to do it instantaneously, but that's too slow.
Re: Certificate
Kyle Wheeler yazmış: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, January 21 at 06:49 PM, quoth Tolga: Unfortunately, there's very little YOU can do to fix it, other than complain loudly to the people in charge of that particular server. The one I get the (r)eject, accept (o) message with is one I own. So, how can I generate such a certificate? How did you generate it in the first place? And what server software are you using? (Really, this is a question better suited for the support forums of your email *server* software, rather than your *client* software.) I had no idea I generated it, and I am using Postfix. ~mto ~Kyle - -- And thou shalt smite the house of Ahab thy master, that I may avenge the blood of my servants the prophets, and the blood of all the servants of the LORD, at the hand of Jezebel. For the whole house of Ahab shall perish. -- Bible, II Kings (9:7-8) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Thank you for using encryption! iEYEARECAAYFAkl3YJIACgkQBkIOoMqOI15UYQCg5OF5Ro3c88MzLzp7ReRAvRcV NYoAoKFU/tZC6Hm6rKQJ1Bcasaj4eq6y =tSbQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Q: What's the difference betweeen USL and the Graf Zeppelin? A: The Graf Zeppelin represented cutting edge technology for its time.
Re: Certificate
Hi, On 22. Jan 2009 08:59, Tolga wrote: How did you generate it in the first place? And what server software are you using? (Really, this is a question better suited for the support forums of your email *server* software, rather than your *client* software.) I had no idea I generated it, and I am using Postfix. If mutt is complaining about the expired certificate when you are _sending_ Mail, it's up to Postfix: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/serverguide/C/postfix.html, Section SMTP Authentication explains how to create a self-signed digital certificate for postfix. If mutt complains about the certificate when logging into a mailbox, it's up to your IMAP/POP3 server software. Check the Ubuntu serverguide for the help on creating a certificate for your IMAP/POP3 server software. Regards, David -- Email. maus.da...@gmail.com Jabber dmj...@jabber.org ICQ... 241051416 OpenPGP... 0x316F4BE4670716FD signature.asc Description: Digital signature
