Re: Problem displaying special characters (ie. Euro symbol)
* Mark J. Reed ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020814 07:58]: On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 04:11:50PM +0200, Marc wrote: Hi all! I have a little problem displaying the Euro symbol (among some others) in mutt. It always ends up in \200 instead of the Euro symbol. I use XTerm as my terminal. Maybe that's of interest for someone. .] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Has the Euro symbol been added to Latin-1? If so, what did it replace - the generic currency symbol at 0xA4? None of my iso-8859-1 fonts seem to have the symbol, so I thought you had to use Unicode to get it. ISO-8859-15, the Latin-9 character set, is essentially Latin-1 with the Euro character replacing the currency symbol at 0xA4. There are only a handful of other differences between Latin-1 and Latin-9. The Euro symbol is not in iso-8859-1, and anyone sending mail claiming to be iso-8859-1 with something intended to be rendered as an Euro symbol is wrong. good times, Vineet -- http://www.doorstop.net/ -- As we enjoy great advantages from inventions of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and this we should do freely and generously. --Benjamin Franklin msg30276/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Emacs question
* Bo Peng ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020813 19:36]: I am in mal mode now. I can see --:** mutt-. (Mail Fill)--L9-All but no color. Do I need to add something else to my .emacs? Have you turned on font-lock-mode? good times, Vineet -- http://www.doorstop.net/ -- http://www.aclu.org/It's all about Freedom. msg30254/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mv /var/mail/hans mbox safely, visual bell
* Sven Guckes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020804 10:43]: * Hans Ginzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-08-04 14:43]: how can I move in a script mail from the spoolfile to mbox safely (with locking)? script as in does not use mutt at all? dunno. Well, he didn't specify without using mutt. Something like (untested): #!/bin/sh mutt -e tag-pattern.entertag-prefixsaveenterquit good times, Vineet -- http://www.doorstop.net/ -- #includestdio.h int main() { puts(Reader! Think not that \n technical information \n ought not be called speech;); return 0; } msg30184/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: BUG/RFI: scope of 'send-hook' too large ...
* Malcolm Herbert ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020702 03:11]: Not sure if my list subscription has gone through yet (I haven't seen any confirmation so it might not have) but you might want to know about this anyway ... Is there any way to limit the scope of the changes made with the -hook commands? For instance, I have several mailing lists for which I use a different address to post from, so I use something like send-hook blah 'my_hdr From: Malcolm Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED]' to set my From: header appropriately. Unfortunately if I send to these lists my From: header remains changed, for the life of the session. Right. Others have already pointed out the correct way of doing things (using a default hook). I think it's worth pointing out that the hooks do not introduce any sort of temporary environment -- that is, whatever command they execute, it's exactly the same as if you had just executed that same command manually. They just do it automatically when they match a certain pattern. They never remember an old setting and set it back when they're finished -- they have no concept of that. They only are matched at certain times: folder-hook when you enter a folder, send-hook after getting a recipient list, message-hook before formatting a message, etc. There are no hooks for leaving a folder, leaving the compose menu, or leaving the pager. You just use the default hook to set a sane value next time you enter one of those areas. Is there any way to limit the scope of the send-hook change to just the message being composed, then either reverse the change, or have it revert automatically? In the time between when this message is sent and the next message is started, it doesn't matter what the From: header says. So setting the default hook is fine: next time the send-hook is applied, it'll be set back. It can be seen as lazy, but it works. good times, Vineet -- http://www.doorstop.net/ -- Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes. -E.W. Dijkstra msg29359/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Feature request] mailbox aliases and internal filtering
* Vincent Lefevre ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020701 08:47]: And using push doesn't work correctly with IMAP folders because the corresponding characters are sent as password characters (for security reasons, I don't store my password on my account, though I could change my mind later). If you're not using SSH or SSL for your IMAP anyway, it's no less safe in your go-r .muttrc than it is on the wire each time you connect. You might as well set it there. good times, Vineet -- http://www.doorstop.net/ -- Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes. -E.W. Dijkstra msg29341/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mutt in Gnome Terminal
* Peter T. Abplanalp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020626 12:29]: On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 09:18:54PM +0200, Robert Ian Smit wrote: Hi, hello. I don't know if the --command option for gnome-terminal causes a different environment to be set. And if so if it's a feature or a bug. After searching faqs, checking manuals and browsing bugzillas, I give up. Would some kind soul shed some light on my frustrating situation? i don't know why this is happening but why not try: gnome-terminal --command . /home/logname/.bashrc;mutt I'm guessing this wouldn't work, as . is a shell builtin. If gnome-terminal were running the command in a shell, $OP wouldn't have the problem in the first place! A better suggestion (As David T-G gave) is to get that environment variable in your parent process' environment, maybe with ~/.Xsession or similar. good times, Vineet -- http://www.doorstop.net/ -- Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes. -E.W. Dijkstra msg29275/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Bug handling long lines ?
* Cedric Duval ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020625 11:59]: Pedro Alves wrote: It really, truly absolutly looks like a mutt problem. I'm sending a tgz'd mailbox with only one line. Is this supposed to be a valid charset? Content-Type: text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-1 Looks like the '=' in 'charset=ISO-8859-1 got QP-encoded. good times, Vineet -- http://www.doorstop.net/ -- [T]he ad skips It's theft Any time you skip a commercial... you're actually stealing the programming. - Turner CEO Jamie Kellner Is fair use dead? Help the EFF help you! http://www.eff.org/ msg29242/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
format=flowed
I'm not quite sure I'd want it, but it's bugging me that I haven't yet figured out how I'd do it if I did want it. ;-) I have discovered $text_flowed, but as the manual claims, To actually make use of this format's features, [I]'ll need support in [my] editor. Has anybody any idea of how to get this working with any particular editor? More in my line of interest (if I may be so picky): has anybody any idea of how to get this working with vim? I tried googling around, but all my searches come back polluted with mostly irrelevant archived mailing list messages with format=flowed in their headers. Essentially, all vim would need to do would be to leave the space at the end of a line when automatically wrapping for me (and to leave them there when I go back and change something and 'gq' it). In case anyone has no idea what I'm talking about, look up rfc 2646 (it's a short read). good times, Vineet -- Currently seeking opportunities in the SF Bay Area Please see http://www.doorstop.net/resume.shtml msg28336/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
(wish) urlview w/ context?
Hello, I tried googling for this without success. I was wondering if anybody knows of a way to get urlview to show some context along with the URLs it presents. For example, some newsletters come littered with URLs, and especially when they reference mailing list archives, they get hard to deal with. For example, something like: 21 http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-0204/msg02136.html 22 http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-0204/msg02366.html 23 http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-0204/msg02186.html 24 http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal-0204/msg00072.html Means that I have to remember which number I'm looking for before I enter urlview, and also that I need to exit urlview and go back and look at the message to figure out what the other links are for before I pick the next one to follow. I wish urlview had a mode in which it would display its entire input on the output, with selectable URLs, instead of just the list of selectable URLs. Better still would be another option that would work like grep's -C (or 3 options, and follow the example of grep's -A and -B as well). (I'm talking about GNU grep, in case the context options aren't the same on all greps.) I just wanted to know if anybody knows workarounds that provide this functionality. I guess one is use gnome-terminal instead of xterm, but I'm looking for other ideas. If the only response I get is sounds good; let us know when the patch is ready! I might give it a shot, but more likely I'll just switch to gnome-terminal ;) good times, Vineet msg27787/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Transition from Pine to Mutt
* Gour ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020430 09:21]: Recently I noticed that my present sendmail+Pine configuration has some problems - some emails are not reaching its destination, and my guess is that it's because the emails are rejected by some spam blockers since my Sender: header points on my localhost account and is different than From: Reply-to: headers. Is it the job of Postfix or Mutt can also put Sender: header? Your MTA adds the Sender: header when the From address being is specified. The idea is that if it's not specified by the user, the MTA will fill in the From info with the sender. If the sender specifies the From info, the MTA puts a Sender: header to let everyone know that the From data may be forged. The MTA should have an option of which users should be allowed to specify their own From data without having to be outed by a Sender: header. In Exim, this is the trusted_users option; I have no idea how to do this with sendmail. good times, Vineet -- Currently seeking opportunities in the SF Bay Area Please see http://www.doorstop.net/resume.shtml msg27788/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
why not {break,link}-thread on maildir?
Hello, I'd never tried to use the break-thread and link-thread functions on mutt until a couple of days ago, and then mutt told me I can't, unless I'm using an mbox or mmdf folder type. Why won't it work with maildir? This is Mutt 1.3.28i (2002-03-13) From debian's unstable branch. good times, Vineet -- Currently seeking opportunities in the SF Bay Area Please see http://www.doorstop.net/resume.shtml msg27741/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: setting from on compose
--17pEHd4RhPHOinZp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * Daniel Sully ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020212 11:04]: Hi - I'm not finding the functionality (or it's hiding from me) of when I hit 'c' for composing a message, the ability to set a From: address right there, just like a To: and Subject: line is set. =20 No, I don't want to just edit the headers afterwards, I want this to be a pseudo send-hook. I have a send-hook setup for when I reply to a message = that comes in to a a certain address, but there doesn't seem to be an easy way= to do that when I want to compose a new email *as* that from address. Check out reverse_name to obsolete your reply send-hook. Also, I've found it acceptable to just use edit_headers all the time for my schizophrenic needs. good times, Vineet --=20 Currently seeking opportunities in the SF Bay Area Please see http://www.doorstop.net/resume/ --=20 I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. --Beatrice Hall, The Friends of Voltaire, 1906 --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjxqHLoACgkQ7z3S33fUb9GMsgCgvphiWBI2LORFixRdx5Gy6K23 iXoAoIcOZiFbpvlJQejYPHwueTvL5Ky4 =7wha -END PGP SIGNATURE- --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp--
Re: Toggle to weed=yes for fwding only
--Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * William Guynes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020208 19:24]: Has anyone else had a desire to be able to toggle weed=3Dyes for only certain instances of pager, reply, or forward? =20 I tend to not want to see all headers normally (having a full screen of headers just doesn't entice me to read the message). But, I tend to need them when I report spam using forward. When I forward a message from the pager and choose to include it inline instead of as a MIME attachment, the presence of the headers in the forwarded message is controlled by the current display of headers. I normally view messages with weed set. If I hit ,f from the pager, I get to forward with weeded headers. If I first hit h (bound to display-toggle-weed) then I'll see all the headers, and when I hit ,f all the headers show up in the message. Is this not how it works on your mutt, too, or were you just looking for a one-key solution? I can give more info about version and configs if it would be useful. Vineet --=20 Currently seeking opportunities in the SF Bay Area Please see http://www.doorstop.net/resume/ --=20 Satan laughs when we kill each other. Peace is the only way. --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjxm6lEACgkQ7z3S33fUb9FOMwCgp2rKfupPHo2j6WQmcfJksvaH 17wAn1T6X5S5GVzJ9Le54VIfj7DksOdn =Wgag -END PGP SIGNATURE- --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q--
Re: recognizing traditional PGP
--zS7rBR6csb6tI2e1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * Volker Moell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020125 14:45]: % mail). It would be so much easier for everyone if check-traditional-= pgp % would become a variable (set always-check-traditional-pgp=3Dyes), so % that every mail will be checked automatically on demand (instead of % handling 50% of all mail accesses via macros and doing some terrible % workarounds for the other 50%). Hmmm... =20 With this I mean, you can - press enter in the index - press down, up, pgup, pgdown in the pager - press space at the end of a message - delete (in various ways) a mail - jump to a mail - ... to view a mail. Do you really want do set a macro for each of these (and surely more!) keybindings? Not really, at least not me. So a message-hook seems to be the only senseful place to implement a check-traditional on demand. With macros it's only a nice workaround. IMHO. Sorry, I'm jumping into the thread late, so I may end up looking like an ignorant ass, but I'll take my chances anyway and offer you another workaround. (I think) one issue of mutt detecting the old-style messages is looking through the body of each message to see if it fits a certain pattern, which is seen (understandably so) as something expensive that mutt shouldn't be doing anyway. The workaround I propose, for you and anyone else in your boat, is to set your pager to something (a small perl script) that can recognize old-style pgp messages and pipe those to gpg for processing, then display the message via a real pager (i.e. less or some such). That's *kinda* like a user-space message-hook, except it happens for each message instead of only ones that match a certain pattern. You might be able to fenagle it to working with a message-hook by setting pager selectively or some other dirty hacks, but I'd say to try to get it working everywhere first before optimizing it so. I'll help you with the script if you need it; I think it should be as simple as taking the patterns from the ubiquitous procmail example and putting them in a 5-line perl script. good times, Vineet --=20 Currently seeking opportunities in the SF Bay Area Please see http://www.doorstop.net/resume/ --=20 Satan laughs when we kill each other. Peace is the only way. --zS7rBR6csb6tI2e1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjxYTbsACgkQ7z3S33fUb9GyEwCguccN8IXyfeVi3qFQ/xIZjmMk fIUAn1v8DDUUr52ifSQBTPz3P6i134NC =LPHw -END PGP SIGNATURE- --zS7rBR6csb6tI2e1--
Re: process substitution (was: Re: Searching big gobs of e-mail)
* Gregor Zattler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [011218 03:44]: Hi Peter, hi mutt users, * Peter Poeml [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Mon 10 Dez 2001 20:04:17 GMT]: [...] As mentioned before, grepmail can jump in because mutt works on single mail boxes. Now I was curious and figured out the command for your real example: mutt -f (grepmail -huqd between 2001-09-01 and 2001-10-01 \ ^From.*frob@(foo|bar).net mbox1 mbox2 mbox3) This seems cool but when i gave it a (much more simppler) try: mutt -f (grepmail -h cco@ *) i see mutt reading messages from /dev/fd/63, a few messages from grepmaiol and then: the mutt index which first looks fine but when I hit enter to read a message the pager was empty... also ae (ls) emacs (ls) jed (ls) did not work. Any hints? Well, it won't help the bash-users out there, but anyone willing to give zsh a try will benefit from this excerpt from the Process substitution of the zshexpn manpage: Both the /dev/fd and the named pipe implementation have drawbacks. In the former case, some programmes may automatically close the file descriptor in question before examining the file on the command line, particularly if this is necessary for security reasons such as when the pro gramme is running setuid. In the second case, if the programme does not actually open the file, the subshell attempting to read from or write to the pipe will (in a typical implementa tion, different operating systems may have different behaviour) block for ever and have to be killed explicitly. In both cases, the shell actually supplies the information using a pipe, so that programmes that expect to lseek (see lseek(2)) on the file will not work. ... If = is used, then the file passed as an argument will be the name of a temporary file contain ing the output of the list process. This may be used instead of the form for a program that expects to lseek (see lseek(2)) on the input file. So this works for me: mutt -f =(mboxgrep -mmaildir '^From:.*callahan@homicide\.SFPD\.gov' $MAIL) mboxgrep even adds the wicked ^From_ lines! Really, though, zsh effectively does the same thing as what grepm does, with the temp file. Vineet -- Satan laughs when # I disapprove of what you say, but I will we kill each other.# defend to the death your right to say it. Peace is the only way. # --Beatrice Hall, The Friends of Voltaire, 1906 msg21763/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: razor-check
* Ben White ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [011210 07:06]: Hi, I am looking for ways to incorporate razor-check into my mail reading with mutt. (http://razor.sf.net/) I've got a few ways of doing it as far as I can see. Bind a keypress that runs razor-check with the currently selected message, so I can check whether a message is marked as spam or not in the razor catalogue. I see it either changing the score for that message or flagging it in some way if it's a spam. A folder-hook or something like that that will run razor-check on each message when I open the mailbox. Or a keypress that I can use to spamcheck the entire mailbox I have open. I think your best bet is to check them at delivery time via your MDA (maildrop, procmail, etc.) Have it add a header indicating its results, and have mutt perform checks based on the presence or contents of this header. Just ask if you need more detailed help. good times, Vineet -- Satan laughs when # I disapprove of what you say, but I will we kill each other.# defend to the death your right to say it. Peace is the only way. # --Beatrice Hall, The Friends of Voltaire, 1906 msg21474/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mbox Postmark Line vs. Message Date Header?
* Thomas Hurst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [011127 15:43]: * Samuel Padgett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: So the advantage of Maildir is speed, and the disadvantage is that it eats inodes for breakfast? This is my experience, yes. Another advantage is peace of mind that you'll never again fall prey to a corrupted mailbox due to a delivery occurring at the wrong time. (And according to Murphy, it will happen to you, too, and probably right when she emails you her phone number.) The other thing, which it seems is often overlooked and underappreciated, is the ability to use nice things like grep, find, xargs and the like on your mail the way it oughta work. I do tend to leave deleting/archiving mail until I absolutely can't stand waiting for the client to load folders any more, though, so maybe that mainly applies to very large mailboxes. I've killed three MUA's doing that so far :) Well, I certainly don't mean to tell you how to live your life, but here's how I do mine: set mbox_type=Maildir set record=+archive/sent-mail/`date +%Y/%m-sent-mail-%Y'` set mbox=+archive/inbox/`date '+%Y/%m-inbox-%Y'` set move This allows me to be lazy *and* keeps everything fast as lightning. I can still get to my last month's worth of incoming or outgoing mail with a quick c or c. Older stuff is there, too, all neatly sorted and requiring no attention by me. good times, Vineet -- Satan laughs when # I disapprove of what you say, but I will we kill each other.# defend to the death your right to say it. Peace is the only way. # --Beatrice Hall, The Friends of Voltaire, 1906 msg20740/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Signature selection
* Cliff Sarginson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [011021 22:41]: Hello, I asked about this problem some time ago, but I will dare to ask it again, since it still frustrates me, and I still have no answer. I have a few different signatures, if I am sending to a Dutch address I use a Dutch one, otherwise an English one. But for certain people (like my son) I try to use a less formal one. The relevant rules look as follows: send-hook . 'set signature=~/Mutt/.signature' send-hook simono@zonnet\.nl 'set signature=~/Mutt/.signature.simon' send-hook \.nl 'set signature=~/Mutt/.signature.nl' Now it is my understanding that the first hook that matches should be the one used. So if I send to simono, it should use the signature for that. However simono's address has .nl in it's domain part and mutt always uses this signature instead of the one for simono. Well, I suppose that you're missing that simono's address also matches ., no? So, clearly, it can't be just using the first one that matches. It would seem that it's using the last one that matches (which is why everyone's .muttrc has the . send-hook listed _first_). Try reordering them to this: send-hook . 'set signature=~/Mutt/.signature' send-hook \.nl 'set signature=~/Mutt/.signature.nl' send-hook simono@zonnet\.nl 'set signature=~/Mutt/.signature.simon' And see if that helps. I haven't looked at the source or even the docs; I'm just going by deduction on this one. I Hope it works. good times, -- Vineet http://www.anti-dmca.org Unauthorized use of this .sig may constitute violation of US law. echo Qba\'g gernq ba zr\! |tr 'a-zA-Z' 'n-za-mN-ZA-M' PGP signature
Re: neato PGP/push thing... almost
* Justin R. Miller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [011022 12:37]: Thus spake Thomas Roessler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): message-hook !~g !~G ~h ^text/plain ~b ^-BEGIN PGP push '\eP' (At least, that _could_ work.) The matching's not the problem, and I can tweak that anyway once I get the 'push' working. It just seems that the 'push' invokes GPG process after GPG process repeatedly... Well, it seems the matching is the problem, then (or at least tweaking the matching could solve the problem). What's really happening is like this: 1. You select an old-style pgp message 2. the message-hook catches it and pushes esc-p 3. the messages is redisplayed as a pgp message 4. the message-hook catches it and pushes esc-p (this is step 2 again) 3. the messages is redisplayed as a pgp message ... reepat steps 2 and 3 ad nausem. If you can modify the message hook so that step 4 doesn't lead back to step 2 (i.e. mutt won't let a pgp message get caught in the hook) everything will be all good. In Thomas' example, the old-style message will match !~g !~G the first time around, but once mutt sees that this is a pgp message, it won't match again. I haven't tried it, but the reasoning is sound, and it should work. good times, -- Vineet http://www.anti-dmca.org Unauthorized use of this .sig may constitute violation of US law. echo Qba\'g gernq ba zr\! |tr 'a-zA-Z' 'n-za-mN-ZA-M' PGP signature
Re: Does $record expand?
* David T-G ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [011020 04:52]: P.S. -- I have to ask: Why a Yahoo address? It's almost sacrilege ;-) Not really; Yahoo does allow POP, so you can still use mutt with a @yahoo mail address. good times, -- Vineet http://www.anti-dmca.org Unauthorized use of this .sig may constitute violation of US law. echo Qba\'g gernq ba zr\! |tr 'a-zA-Z' 'n-za-mN-ZA-M' PGP signature
Re: mbox problem
* Manuel Hendel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [011018 11:50]: Hallo, I'm using the maildir mailbox format since today. I'm also using procmail to filter my mails in different folders. Now I want that the read mails of some folders go in one mbox and some others in another mbox. I tried mbox-hook and folder-hook. But it didn't work. Has anybody an idea how this could work? You just need mbox-hook. This is exactly what it's there for. From TFM: 3.10. Using Multiple spool mailboxes Usage: mbox-hook [!]pattern mailbox This command is used to move read messages from a specified mailbox to a different mailbox automatically when you quit or change folders. pattern is a regular expression specifying the mailbox to treat as a ``spool'' mailbox and mailbox specifies where mail should be saved when read. Unlike some of the other hook commands, only the first matching pattern is used (it is not possible to save read mail in more than a single mailbox). Maybe you could show us the mbox-hook command you tried and we can help figure out why it didn't seem to be working. good times, -- Vineet http://www.anti-dmca.org Unauthorized use of this .sig may constitute violation of US law. echo Qba\'g gernq ba zr\! |tr 'a-zA-Z' 'n-za-mN-ZA-M' PGP signature
Re: mbox problem
* Manuel Hendel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [011018 12:52]: I got the following mailboxes: set folder=~/Mail ~/Mail/mailinglists/mutt# for mutt mailinglist ~/Mail/mailinglists/postfix # for postfix mailinglist ~/Mail/maildir # for privat mails ~/Mail/archiv/ # a folder to archive mails I need the following mbox-hooks: change these mbox-hook mailinglists/mutt archiv/mutt mbox-hook mailinglists/postfix archiv/postfix mbox-hook maildir archiv/maildir to these: mbox-hook mailinglists/mutt =archiv/mutt mbox-hook mailinglists/postfix =archiv/postfix mbox-hook maildir =archiv/maildir the '=' sign is expanded to $folder. otherwise the directories are relative the current working directory, which could be anything. good times, -- Vineet http://www.anti-dmca.org Unauthorized use of this .sig may constitute violation of US law. echo Qba\'g gernq ba zr\! |tr 'a-zA-Z' 'n-za-mN-ZA-M' PGP signature
Re: hooks
* Horacio ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [010919 04:31]: I have the following hooks: -- unhook * # folder-hook . 'push escv' folder-hook . 'exec collapse-all' # Set sig for mail sent from any folder to sig ... folder-hook . 'set signature=~/.signature/sig' # ... except if folder is mail.uni then set sig to sig-uni folder-hook mail\.uni 'unset signature' folder-hook mail\.uni 'set signature=~/.signature/sig-uni' # For all mail coming from [EMAIL PROTECTED] or .org set sig to # sig-com send-hook .*@*\.(com|org)$/ 'set signature=~/.signature/sig-com' # Do not include a sig for mail to a list machine send-hook ^majordomo|request@ 'set signature=' No matter how many changes I do to it I will always get signature sig from mailbox mail.uni, and not sig-uni. The hook to not include a signature for list machines does work though. What am I doing wrong? You don't need the unset signature hook. Just use this line: folder-hook mail\.uni 'set signature=~/.signature/sig-uni' note the quotes. HTH, -- Vineet http://www.anti-dmca.org Unauthorized use of this .sig may constitute violation of US law. echo Qba\'g gernq ba zr\! |tr 'a-zA-Z' 'n-za-mN-ZA-M' PGP signature
Re: rot13 capability?
* David Champion ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [010919 10:38]: On 2001.09.19, in [EMAIL PROTECTED], Miguel Farah F. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jura ernqvat arjf jvgu gva, vs bar cerffrf gur 'q' xrl, gur pbagrag bs gur negvpyr orvat ernq jvyy or ebg13-rq. V guvax zhgg pbhyq unir guvf pncnovyvgl, gbb. Jung V qb pheeragyl vf cvcr gur znvy V'z ernqvat gb gur ebg13 pbzznaq va zl ~/ova qverpgbel, ohg vg'f abg nf pbairavrag nf orvat noyr gb qb vg gur gva jnl How about this? auto_view text/rot-13 macro index \Ca edit-typekill-linetext/rot-13enterdisplay-messageedit-typekill-linetext/plainenter Display message with ROT-13 encoding $ grep rot-13 ~/.mailcap text/rot-13; tr '[A-Z][a-z]' '[N-Z][A-M][n-z][a-m]' %s; copiousoutput That's the only way to get a filter to display inside the pager: set the content-type so that a MIME content handler applies. -- -D. [EMAIL PROTECTED]NSITUniversity of Chicago You maniac! You'd better watch out what you do with that; if you use it to decipher my signature I'll send the FBI after you for violating the DMCA. =p -- Vineet http://www.anti-dmca.org Unauthorized use of this .sig may constitute violation of US law. echo Qba\'g gernq ba zr\! |tr 'a-zA-Z' 'n-za-mN-ZA-M' PGP signature
Re: rot13 capability?
* David Champion ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [010919 10:38]: On 2001.09.19, in [EMAIL PROTECTED], Miguel Farah F. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jura ernqvat arjf jvgu gva, vs bar cerffrf gur 'q' xrl, gur pbagrag bs gur negvpyr orvat ernq jvyy or ebg13-rq. V guvax zhgg pbhyq unir guvf pncnovyvgl, gbb. Jung V qb pheeragyl vf cvcr gur znvy V'z ernqvat gb gur ebg13 pbzznaq va zl ~/ova qverpgbel, ohg vg'f abg nf pbairavrag nf orvat noyr gb qb vg gur gva jnl How about this? auto_view text/rot-13 macro index \Ca edit-typekill-linetext/rot-13enterdisplay-messageedit-typekill-linetext/plainenter Display message with ROT-13 encoding To use it with PGP (well, PGP/MIME, anyway) or other mime multipart messages, try this version instead: macro attach \Ca edit-typekill-linetext/x-rot13enterview-attachedit-typekill-linetext/plainenter Display message with ROT-13 encoding Also, these don't work so well with the builtin pager, because the display-message or view-attach commands return immediately in that case. For the internal pager, you may be better off with something like these 2 macros together: macro pager \Ca edit-typekill-linetext/x-rot13enter Display message with ROT-13 encoding macro pager \CA edit-typekill-linetext/plainenter Revert message from ROT-13 back to text/plain Does anyone have a better idea of how to make one macro that toggles? Is there a way to make a named macro? Then you could do something like this: function1() { push edit-typekill-linetext/x-rot13enter macro pager \Ca function2 } function2() { push edit-typekill-linetext/plainenter macro pager \Ca function1 } I guess you could effect it with push:(untested) macro pager \Cb 'edit-typekill-linetext/x-rot13entermacro \Ca push \CB' macro pager \CB 'edit-typekill-linetext/plainentermacro \Ca push \Cb' macro pager \Ca 'push \Cb' but you 'lose' a couple of keys that way. I suppose you could make them some inconvenient keybinding that you'd never use anyway, and then you'd be all right. all of these 'toggle' methods also break horribly if you rot13 a message and then don't change it back before you go off and view other messages. Well, maybe not horribly; you'll just have to hit \Ca a couple of times until it straightens itself out. -- Vineet http://www.anti-dmca.org Unauthorized use of this .sig may constitute violation of US law. echo Qba\'g gernq ba zr\! |tr 'a-zA-Z' 'n-za-mN-ZA-M' PGP signature
Re: New Mails Old Mails No Mails
* David T-G ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [010918 02:51]: ...and then Thomas Kniep said... % Am 17.09.2001 (17:47) schrieb David T-G: % Is there any why to get an overview on unread mails (either marked N or O)? Hmmm... You might have truly meant 'why' instead of 'way', and I don't think there's an overview of that, but it's not a bad idea. If you mean 'way', then I'm not sure what you mean other than the index view showing them to you; if you want some sort of analysis like 23 New messages, 41 Old messages, 17 read messages, 6 replied messages you'll have to write it -- but it sounds like a lovely idea ;-) try limiting to ~O, to display only old messages. limit is by default bound to 'l', so you'd go like this: hit l at the limit prompt, type ~O, and hit enter now you see only messages marked Old. Or maybe you're looking for this [N=%n,*=%t,old=%o,post=%p,new=%b] in your status_format somewhere? HTH, -- Vineet http://www.anti-dmca.org Unauthorized use of this .sig may constitute violation of US law. echo Qba\'g gernq ba zr\! |tr 'a-zA-Z' 'n-za-mN-ZA-M' PGP signature
Re: Legacy PGP Woes
* Phil Gregory ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [010918 19:48]: So that's it. In order for PGP stuff to work properly, application/pgp must *not* be in the auto_view list. That's good to know ... sounds like something it might have taken me a long time to figure that out. It kind of makes sense, though, in retrospect: if mutt uses autoview for application/pgp, it tries to hand it to mailcap rather than handle it on its own. -- Vineet http://www.anti-dmca.org Unauthorized use of this .sig may constitute violation of US law. echo Qba\'g gernq ba zr\! |tr 'a-zA-Z' 'n-za-mN-ZA-M' PGP signature
Re: Authenticating public keys...
* Jean-Sebastien Morisset ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [010917 13:15]: I'm really enjoying GnuPG, especially the auto-fetch feature for unknown keys (which never worked for me in PGP). As I accumulate public keys, I'd like to lsign the keys (--lsign-key cmdarg) to remove that little warning. Unfortunately, there's no good way to authenticate the key. What do you guys do? Put up with the warning? Sign the key even if you're not sure? Use the X-PGP-Fingerprint header as a second validation? Use fingerprints in signatures? Well, your signature on a key is your certification that this key actually belongs to this person. Don't go and sign a key unless you're willing to make that statement; it defeats the whole purpose! For similar reasons, an email header or a .signature provides *NO* added information that this key is being used legitimately; if I made a bogus key that said Jean-Sebastien Morisset I could send mail to the list with a signature that other people would see came from YOU. What's to stop me (as a malicious forger) from also inserting the key's fingerprint in the mail? Therefore, seeing a fingerpring in a header or signature adds no trust that the key being used is valid. Worse yet, what if I was able to intercept your email via a man-in-the-middle attack? I could strip out your signature and your fingerprint, and insert my own. If people took it at face value yeah, that looks like a js post; there's his signature, there's his fingerprint and decided to trust that key, this would be bad, bad news for you. What if someone then wanted to send an encrypted message to you? They do so using the public key I referenced in the email I'd been altering, and now I can see the encrypted message. Not very secure, is it? The system is only as trustworthy as far as its keys can be trusted. If you don't like seeing a warning that you can't trust this key, you have a few options: 1. validate the key yourself. Find the person whose key it is and verify it with them by asking to see their passport and checking that their fingerprint is the same as the fingerprint on your keyring. Then sign their key. 2. Don't verify signatures made with untrusted keys. Tell mutt not to automatically verify signatures, and just do it manually when you get an email from someone whose key you trust. 3. Take the warning for what it means: This is a good signature with this key, but there is no indication that this key belongs to the person it claims to belong to. We should have a little poll. :-) The first option would be best for the web of trust, but personally I'm using #3. -- Vineet http://www.anti-dmca.org Unauthorized use of this .sig may constitute violation of US law. echo Qba\'g gernq ba zr\! |tr 'a-zA-Z' 'n-za-mN-ZA-M' PGP signature
Re: mutt exchange
* Johannes Zellner ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [010914 05:10]: On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 04:05:26PM +0530, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: Johannes Zellner mutt [12/09/01 12:04 +0200]: how do I use mutt with an EXCHANGE server ? Actually I can already READ mail by having set imap_user=my name set imap_pass=my pass but if I try to SEND mail, it tells me Error 127 .. Exec error. Mutt doesn't have a builtin smtp client of any kind. See if you can compile Masqmail / Nullmailer on cygwin (or download Mercury from http://www.pmail.com) and config that to smarthost through your exchange box (or if you have a NAT'ted connection to the 'net, use mercury to send direct to MX) If someone has any EXCHANGE related tips, please share them with me! (Using mutt / UNIX since quite a while, my job forces me now to work on this OS-wannabe). hmm. I've installed ssmtp from cygwin now, configured it and succeed in doing: # echo fred | ssmtp some@address ssmtp is not running as daemon. Now I've configured mutt with sendmail=ssmtp but I still get the message Error sending message, child exited 127 (Exec error.). To summarize: I can send mails with ssmtp from command line but not from mutt. Check the path, and ensure that if envelope_from is set that ssmtp allows the -f envelope from address argument (I don't know one way or another that it does or doesn't). I think the solution here is to specify an absolute path to ssmtp, but I may be wrong. HTH, -- Vineet http://www.anti-dmca.org Unauthorized use of this .sig may constitute violation of US law. echo Qba\'g gernq ba zr\! |tr 'a-zA-Z' 'n-za-mN-ZA-M' PGP signature
Re: serial mail
* Matthias LOITSCH ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [010912 13:49]: just another question :) i want to send a mail to many persons, but they shouldnt see that they mail is not sent only to them. with the Bcc i have to specify a To Adress... quite the same question : can i change one word in each mail ? for example : hello name1 hello name2 ... create a file called recipients that looks like this: Alice:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bob:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Eve:[EMAIL PROTECTED] and your message in a file called message with __NAME__ where you want to use the person's name. Then do this in bash: for recip in `cat recipients` ; do NAME=$(echo $recip | cut -d: -f 1) ADDR=$(echo $recip | cut -d: -f 2) cat message | sed -e s/__NAME__/$NAME/g | mail $ADDR done i dont want to use it for span mails!!! :) You'd better not!!! -- Vineet http://www.anti-dmca.org Unauthorized use of this .sig may constitute violation of US law. echo Qba\'g gernq ba zr\! |tr 'a-zA-Z' 'n-za-mN-ZA-M' PGP signature
Re: Mail-Followup-To ...
* Matthias LOITSCH ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [010912 14:41]: i just did not understand the mail-follow-up function... and i dont see the connection with the 'subscribe ...' command. what is the difference between : 'subscribe ...' and 'lists ...' ?? Mail-Followup-To is a header that helps it so that people subscribed to mailing lists and people not subscribed to mailing lists can get appropriate replies sent to appropriate places. Here's the way it works, in the form of a couple of user examples: I'm subscribed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I post a message there. Since I've told mutt 'subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED]' it knows that I'm subscribed to that list and generates the following header: Mail-Followup-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This makes it so that people with compatible mailers can jsut hit reply and the right thing will happen: the reply goes to the list. Since I'm subscribed, I don't need to be CC'ed -- that would result in a duplicate email. Now another case: I'm not subscribed to [EMAIL PROTECTED], but I want to ask a question there. I post a message, and since I've told mutt 'lists [EMAIL PROTECTED]' it knows that this is a list to which I am not subscribed. It generates the following header: Mail-Followup-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] So that when people with compatible mailers hit reply, their mailer CCs me and I get a copy in addition to the one sent to the list. Third case (less interesting). I send a message to my friend bob, whose address is listed in neither the 'lists' statment nor the 'subscribe' statement. Mutt generates no extra header; the message is sent as-is, without a Mail-Followup-To header. I hope these examples clear up the issue for you. -- Vineet http://www.anti-dmca.org Unauthorized use of this .sig may constitute violation of US law. echo Qba\'g gernq ba zr\! |tr 'a-zA-Z' 'n-za-mN-ZA-M' PGP signature
Re: limiting by number of lines
* Denis Perelyubskiy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [010910 10:32]: while i dont remember (i am a procmail neophyte for the most part) how to base rules on # of lines, but worst come to worst you could either pipe into 'wc -l', or write a script if you want to skip headers when counting lines (which would perhaps be more reliable) Here's a hint, too: a 'b' flag in a procmail recipe means feed just the body into this pipe. See procmailrc(5) for more info. -- Vineet http://www.anti-dmca.org Unauthorized use of this .sig may constitute violation of US law. echo Qba\'g gernq ba zr\! |tr 'a-zA-Z' 'n-za-mN-ZA-M' PGP signature
Re: fcc
* Will Yardley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [010905 12:27]: Vineet Kumar wrote: This command specifies folders which can receive mail and which will be checked for new messages. By default, the main menu status bar displays how many of these folders have new messages. You don't want mutt to let you know of new mail in sent-mail? don't include it in your mailboxes line. yes but on other machines mutt doesn't do this. i like having sent-mail in the mailboxes list so that it's included in my default folder list. i was hoping there was another way to do this. no worries though. Gotcha. 'fraid I don't know how to make that happen. I could point out, though, that '' is a shorthand for your sent-mail folder (or, more precisely, for the folder named in the $record variable.) So it mightn't show up in the list, but you can always just use 'c' to get there quickly. -- Sintax error in config file! (line 378) aborted! D'oh! Totally got me -- I thought it was an automated sig-generator pooping out. (Though I didn't think till now 378 lines for a sig generator?! It had better make coffee, too...) -- Vineet http://www.anti-dmca.org Unauthorized use of this .sig may constitute violation of US law. echo Qba\'g gernq ba zr\! |tr 'a-zA-Z' 'n-za-mN-ZA-M' PGP signature
Re: Getting the name of the current folder for macros
* Alexander Skwar ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [010829 15:18]: So sprach ?Alexander 'Digital Projects' Skwar? am 2001-08-25 um 11:30:50 +0200 : I'd like to assign a macro to a key, which allows me to easily store all the messages of a folder in another folder. I normally archive all the messages I get. To do so for this list, I'd tag all the messages in the current folder (which only contains messages from this list), clear the old flag of all the messages and save all the messages in =Old/ML-MUTT.bz2. The current folder is named ML-MUTT. What I can't seem to figure out, is how I can get the name of the current folder. If I had this, I'd write in my muttrc: macro index \Co tag-pattern.entertag-prefixclear-flagotag-prefixsave-message=Old/NAME_OF_CURRENT_FOLDER.bz2enter How can I get the name of the current folder so that I can assign it in a macro? Is this really impossible to do? You could hack it by setting the value of record or mbox based on folder-hook and then referencing that value in your macro. Be careful that you don't need the value before you clobber it with this hack, though (i.e. use mbox if you're not using move, or record if you're not using copy). It would basically look like this: # THIS IS A DIRTY, DIRTY HACK. PROCEED WITH CAUTION set copy=no folder-hook mutt-user 'set record==Old/mutt-user' macro index \Co tag-pattern.entertag-prefixclear-flagotag-prefixsave-message.bz2enter I also don't know about how the '' might need to be quoted in the macro statement. This is totally untested, and just off the top of my head (and I'm no expert). As always, YMMV. -- Vineet http://www.anti-dmca.org Unauthorized use of this .sig may constitute violation of US law. echo Qba\'g gernq ba zr\! |tr 'a-zA-Z' 'n-za-mN-ZA-M' PGP signature
Re: fcc
* Will Yardley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [010905 03:12]: my actual question is that whenever i send a message, using either fcc-hook or set record (currently using fcc-hook): #set record =~/mail/sent-mail fcc-hook $ +sent-mail i get a new mail message in sent-mail. i do have sent-mail set as a mailbox, but i have this set other places as well i'm pretty sure without problem (my main account is Maildir so that's different, I assume). any way to surpress this with 1.2.5? Taken from the mutt manual: 3.11. Defining mailboxes which receive mail Usage: mailboxes [!]filename [ filename ... ] This command specifies folders which can receive mail and which will be checked for new messages. By default, the main menu status bar displays how many of these folders have new messages. You don't want mutt to let you know of new mail in sent-mail? don't include it in your mailboxes line. -- Sintax error in config file! (line 378) aborted! Looks like you've got a lexical error in your syntax error, as well... -- Vineet http://www.anti-dmca.org Unauthorized use of this .sig may constitute violation of US law. echo Qba\'g gernq ba zr\! |tr 'a-zA-Z' 'n-za-mN-ZA-M' PGP signature
Re: folder-hook push tag-pattern ...
* Nate Johnston ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [010817 13:11]: All, I would like to roll any message in my inbox that is older than 2 weeks old to an archive folder. I tried this pattern, but I got the message Tagging is not supported when .muttrc loads. folder-hook INBOX 'push tag-pattern~d2wentertag-prefixsave=archiveenter' Am I going about this incorrectly? Is this something that, because it is tag-save instead of delete, I can only use a macro for? If I use a macro, can I break this into 2 parts as so: folder-hook INBOX 'push *d macro *d 'tag-pattern~d2wentertag-prefixsave=archiveenter' Sorry, I don't have an answer, but a suggestion: how about trying delete-pattern instead of tagging a pattern and then deleting tagged messages? I have a line like this: folder-hook mutt-user 'push D~r15d!~F\n' which I'd imagine would still work if you used delete-pattern instead of D. Cheers -- Vineet http://www.anti-dmca.org Unauthorized use of this .sig may constitute violation of US law. Qba\'g gernq ba zr\! |tr 'a-zA-Z' 'n-za-mN-ZA-M' PGP signature
Re: SMTP AUTH-capable MTA
* Nate Johnston ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [010813 05:34]: Suresh Ramasubramanian spake thus: (Sat, Aug 11, 2001 at 07:51:11AM +0530) Nate Johnston [mutt-users] 10/08/01 14:51 -0500: I am running mutt, but I do not want to submit my mail to the running Sendmail daemon for reliability reasons. I am looking for a utility Erm, how (un)reliable is sendmail? Especially newer versions (current: 8.11.5) of sendmail? My issue is not with sendmail, per se, but with a new set of policies that have been implemented locally. Redirecting all mail from the Unix host to a Windows NT machine to be virus and content screened is a decision I disagree with. And seeing as that screening server has already had three significant downtimes in the past month I'd like to bypass it altogether. Before you spend a lot of time and energy downloading and compiling something of your own, make sure you check whether it will work by attempting an outgoing connection to port 25 (of any reliable smtp server). If the policy is to redirect all mail to a screening host, I'd be surprised if there wasn't a firewall rule to enforce that policy by disallowing outgoing connections to port 25. Cheers, -- Vineet http://www.anti-dmca.org Unauthorized use of this .sig may constitute violation of US law. Qba\'g gernq ba zr\! |tr 'a-zA-Z' 'n-za-mN-ZA-M' PGP signature
Re: why dosen't this work?
* Chris S. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [010809 17:06]: Is there something wrong with this? folder-hook . set index_format=%2C %-20.20L %-33.33s %(%b %d %I:%M%p) folder-hook IN.Seawolf-List set index_format=%2C %Z %-20.20L %-33.33s folder-hook IN.Procmail set index_format=%2C %Z %-20.20L %-33.33s 'fraid I'm not the right person to give a complete answer, but try this instead: folder-hook . 'set index_format=%2C %-20.20L %-33.33s %(%b %d %I:%M%p)' folder-hook IN.Seawolf-List 'set index_format=%2C %Z %-20.20L %-33.33s' folder-hook IN.Procmail 'set index_format=%2C %Z %-20.20L %-33.33s' WFM. YMMV. Cheers, -- Vineet http://www.anti-dmca.org Unauthorized use of this .sig may constitute violation of US law. Qba\'g gernq ba zr\! |tr 'a-zA-Z' 'n-za-mN-ZA-M' PGP signature
Re: builtin editor
* R. Leponce ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [010808 09:49]: Hello all, just a simple question: I always have my $EDITOR variable set to vim, so I wanted to try the builtin editor of Mutt. I unset this variable (and also $VISUAL), and evenis vi is not mentionned in my .muttrc, vi stays the default editor. Is there a real builtin editor for Mutt and in this case, how can I use it ? Nope. Mutt does one thing and does it well, the way things oughta. =p Cheers, -- Vineet http://www.anti-dmca.org Unauthorized use of this .sig may constitute violation of US law. Qba\'g gernq ba zr\! |tr 'a-zA-Z' 'n-za-mN-ZA-M' PGP signature
Re: request help with xterm titlebar stuff
* Will Yadley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [010807 19:38]: change this line print \033]0;$line\007]; to this: print \033]0;$line\007; ? It's entirely untested, but my first impulse on looking at it was why is there an extra right-bracket there? -- Vineet http://www.anti-dmca.org Unauthorized use of this .sig may constitute violation of US law. Qba\'g gernq ba zr\! |tr 'a-zA-Z' 'n-za-mN-ZA-M' PGP signature
Re: colors with wrapped quotes
* David T-G ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [010808 09:47]: the question, right? :-) If I get annoyed I just 'e'dit the message, 'J'oin up the line(s) in vim, save it, and then read it again, but the same thing (probably dropping even more to the next line thanks to the additional indentation of two sets of quotes) will happen when the message turns around again. I could imagine a vim macro that would look for a line starting with a few (well, mebbe one is valid) indent_string chars, another line (maybe shorter than length X) without any, and another line with the same number of indent_string chars and would then go back to the upper line and join up the bare one... What works really well in vim is to 'J'oin the lines, and then '{gq}' them. Vim is smart about wrapping when all lines have the same indent on them, so if you join them, set textwidth to an appropriate value, and then re-wrap them, it will be well prepared for the next iteration. A macro might be able to just tell which lines need to be joined by looking for lines without the and executing kJ, then once it was done '1G','/^$','gqG' (to re-wrap just the body). An example this simple would surely fail with multiple levels of indentation in a message, though. -- Vineet http://www.anti-dmca.org Unauthorized use of this .sig may constitute violation of US law. Qba'g gernq ba zr!|tr 'a-zA-Z' 'n-za-mN-ZA-M' PGP signature
Re: spoolfile and procmail
* Dumas Patrice ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [010803 10:57]: Hi, Maybe you will find this question a bit stupid, but I have a conceptual problem. My setting is fetchmail-procmail-mail folders. Then I use mutt to read the mail folders. Is there a need for a spool folder in this setting ? Am I doing something not regular ? Sure I can live without the answer to my question but I would like to know if there is a standard setting which is not an embedded pop-client nor a delivery in /var/spool/... Pat I'm not sure whether you're asking whether your system needs a file /var/spool/mail/user or if mutt needs a valid $spoolfile setting. Let me just babble on a bit and maybe your question will become more clear, and maybe I'll hit the answer. procmail has a setting for DEFAULT, meaning where a message is delivered if it falls through the rest of the .procmailrc. Unless you've changed it, it's value is $ORGMAIL, which defaults to /var/spool/mail/$LOGNAME. By the sound of your question, it seems you divert all your mail away from there at some point in time. Either way, mutt likes to know about $spoolfile, whose default setting is in the environment variable $MAIL. Probably, your system sets that to /var/spool/mail/$LOGNAME. mutt treats $spoolfile a little differently than any other folders: it will never be removed even if empty and save_empty is set, and it can be addressed by the shortcut !. Apart from that, if you don't use it, it doesn't really matter. My guess is that you have a procmail default-ish recipe where most of your mail goes. You might want to set the $MAIL environment variable to that mailbox so that your shell will alert you when you get new mail, and mutt will address that mailbox as $spoolfile. Even still, I'd say removing /var/spool/mail/username is a Bad Idea unless the system-wide default delivery is something else. If I haven't answered your question, maybe you could try putting it a little more precisely. Vineet PGP signature