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Ailbhe -- ...and then Ailbhe Leamy said... % On (17/11/01 22:44), David T-G wrote: % % I work in support and part of what floats my boat is helping other % people. % % You sick, sick bunny. Yep! And I take that as a compliment, too ;-) % % Ailbhe % % -- % Homepage: http://ailbhe.ossifrage.net/ :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg20566/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On (17/11/01 22:44), David T-G wrote: I work in support and part of what floats my boat is helping other people. You sick, sick bunny. Ailbhe -- Homepage: http://ailbhe.ossifrage.net/
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On Sat, Nov 17, 2001 at 07:57:04AM -0500, Bela Bartok wrote: some comments snipped I just dont want to use sendmail, if i am sending a big email, and i disconnect, it will stay in sendmail queue, and i dont want that. I want to the simpler, bert solution for desktop freebsd machine for handling emails. thanks again. To flush out the mail queues and send things on their way, try: sendmail -q before you disconnect. Works for me. Any reason not to do it this way, folks? Regards, Andy Eichmann
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---BeginMessage--- Hi, your letter, beside joke at me, did no solve my problem, you are the tipical person that joke at other's confusion and dont help!, you are the typical person that full mailing lists or wise, deep comments and reflections but dont help!!!. You are the typical open source anti-support guy.! Hey - I think you didn't read the email exect enough. Look, there are many people, that learn something for a basic, user perspective and join mailing lists and enjoy repling to newbie questions in a wise, deep and a bit rude way, because they know it all. I dont agree with that because they are people that offend, discourage and ridicule new user that, for sure, in the future, will develop and give support to future new users. ok, I know we should respect other's style and i think i must apoligize to mutt-users mailing list. I the mail from the open source anti-support guy was written down that you shouldn't use an email-client to deliver emails. You should use an MTA to deliver them. So - If you really want an email-client also working as MTA (the program to deliver your mails) you can't use mutt. If you want use mutt, you should/must use a MTA like sendmail, postfix, exim, ... Whatever you want! It's your choice to use the best/fastest/simplest mta or whatever YOU want. ok, now How windoze programs (eudora, outlook, etc) send email if they dont have a running sendmail daemon? I just dont want to use sendmail, if i am sending a big email, and i disconnect, it will stay in sendmail queue, and i dont want that. I want to the simpler, bert solution for desktop freebsd machine for handling emails. thanks again. ---End Message---
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On 11-17 07:57, Bela Bartok wrote: snip ok, now How windoze programs (eudora, outlook, etc) send email if they dont have a running sendmail daemon? I just dont want to use sendmail, if i am sending a big email, and i disconnect, it will stay in sendmail queue, and i dont want that. I want to the simpler, bert solution for desktop freebsd machine for handling emails. Hey, Bela, I feel your pain...at least a little bit, anyway. I've just started using Mutt less than a week ago, and people here sure have helped out a lot! I've gotten quite a few things ironed out, and switched to mutt as my main mailer. I didn't want to set up sendmail, either, just to send out emails. I found this sweet little utility: http://www.muquit.com/muquit/software/smtp_pl/smtp_pl.html REALLY easy to use, and believe me, I set this up when I was in a stupid and lazy kind of mood. :) I definitely did not want to tackle sendmail, that seems like a really big hammer for only one user. YMMV. -- - Sean LeBlanc, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I didn't want to set up sendmail, either, just to send out emails. I found this sweet little utility: http://www.muquit.com/muquit/software/smtp_pl/smtp_pl.html REALLY easy to use, and believe me, I set this up when I was in a stupid and lazy kind of mood. :) I definitely did not want to tackle sendmail, that seems like a really big hammer for only one user. YMMV. What about putting some tips for those programs into mutt's manual? It looks that this feature is frequently wanted by users, and if we don't want to implement it, we should at least help users a little more to install something simple which will do the job. -- Petr Pasky Baudis UN*X programmer, UN*X administrator, hobbies = IPv6, IRC Real Users hate Real Programmers. Public PGP key, geekcode and stuff: http://pasky.ji.cz/~pasky/
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snip ok, now How windoze programs (eudora, outlook, etc) send email if they dont have a running sendmail daemon? I just dont want to use sendmail, if i am sending a big email, and i disconnect, it will stay in sendmail queue, and i dont want that. I want to the simpler, bert solution for desktop freebsd machine for handling emails. Hey, Bela, I feel your pain...at least a little bit, anyway. I've just started using Mutt less than a week ago, and people here sure have helped out a lot! I've gotten quite a few things ironed out, and switched to mutt as my main mailer. I didn't want to set up sendmail, either, just to send out emails. I found this sweet little utility: http://www.muquit.com/muquit/software/smtp_pl/smtp_pl.html hey LeBlanc, you are right, did you install it on freebsd? it needs some perl modules, i found one in ports collection (mail::sendmail) but i did no find mail::internet. ok, i will keep looking, this topic is not about mutt, so, let's cut it. thank you, mutt is a example of friendly and powerfull open source comunity.
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Bela -- ...and then Bela Bartok said... % % Hi, your letter, beside joke at me, did no solve my problem, you are the ... % Hey - I think you didn't read the email exect enough. % % Look, there are many people, that learn something for a basic, user ... % and ridicule new user that, for sure, in the future, will develop and % give support to future new users. % ok, I know we should respect other's style and i think i must apoligize % to mutt-users mailing list. I work in support and part of what floats my boat is helping other people. If you truly found my answer flippant, I apologize. I tried to explain what the protocols do and don't do and even suggested methods that might work for you while allowing you to continue to use mutt. % % ... Whatever you want! It's your choice to use the best/fastest/simplest % mta % or whatever YOU want. % % ok, now How windoze programs (eudora, outlook, etc) send email if they % dont have a running sendmail daemon? They talk, as I said in my previous email, directly over a TCP/IP connection to port 25 on a remote server specified in your setup. That is referred to in many circles as bloatware, where one loads many functions onto one program at the expense of configurability. mutt does not try to talk over a TCP/IP connection (or anything else that you may have in your network) but instead hands it off to a mail transport agent; you can have any MTA you wish. % I just dont want to use sendmail, if i am sending a big email, and i % disconnect, it will stay in sendmail queue, and i dont want that. I want How, if I may possibly ask without offending, would Eudora handle the same problem of disconnecting while sending? At some point you're going to have to make a connection off of your machine and send the bytes over the wire; what's the difference if it's a TCP/IP connection from within your mail program or a TCP/IP connection from a real mail transport agent? % to the simpler, bert solution for desktop freebsd machine for handling % emails. Best is clearly an opinion whose definition may differ. Most mutt users would say that letting a mail transport agent, even a very simple one meant purely for sending outgoing messages to another server, do the work is the best instead of having to incorporate additional networking code into a tight, small, fast mail user agent. % thanks again. Hope this helps, once again. :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg20551/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
