Re: Deleting messages via IMAP
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Monday, June 1 at 12:59 AM, quoth Ken Weingold: An alternative is to simply convince mutt to hide these messages from you, which you can do using limit. But it might be simpler to simply have mutt do an automatic sync whenever it enters a mailbox, e.g.: folder-hook . 'exec sync-mailbox' Fair enough. Thanks. You're quite welcome. The other weird part is that after I've accessed my mail from the iPhone and then gone back into mutt, mutt will tell my I have new mail in that mailbox but then won't show there's new mail in that mailbox after that, so no indication in the status bar and nothing when I go to change folders. That's *probably* an issue that was fixed a while back, but it's a tough nut. Let me explain the difficulty: The fundamental problem is one of interpretation. Namely: what does new mean? There are two basic ways that IMAP can report new messages: with the UNSEEN tag and the RECENT tag. UNSEEN means the number of unread messages. RECENT means the number of new messages *since the mailbox was last selected*. Fairly straightforward, right? But mutt provides, with non-IMAP mailboxes, a distinction between old-and-unread and new-and-unread. Even worse: people rely on this distinction. In order to provide this with IMAP messages, mutt tends to rely on the RECENT count. But RECENT is only an excellent mechanism if (and only if) you only access mail with a single client, because otherwise mutt has no idea when the last time each mailbox was selected, so it has no way of knowing which of the unread messages is old and which is truly new. Mutt used to (1.5.14 and earlier) use RECENT. This was then decided to be unwise, for the very reason that you've discovered: if you use another mail client, RECENT will report that there are NO new messages. Since mutt can cache header information (a feature that was added in 1.5.7), it's possible for mutt to be a bit more reliable in determining what is new-and-unread and what is old-and-unread, because with the header cache, mutt knows what messages it has already seen (i.e. that are old) and whether they were unread or not. It looks like you're using a relatively ancient version of mutt (1.5.10 came out in 2005... there's been a lot of improvements since then). If you update to a newer version of mutt, and if you turn on header caching, it should behave a bit more predictably in the situation where you have multiple clients accessing the same set of IMAP mailboxes. If you're curious, here's the relevant bug (note that it was fixed over two years ago): http://dev.mutt.org/trac/ticket/2772 ~Kyle - -- We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. When the loyal opposition dies, I think the soul of America dies with it. -- Edward R. Murrow -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Thank you for using encryption! iQIVAwUBSiPcGiuveozR/AWeAQjoEw//cp2YwCuiy2xga2hTzNTIf7VmtHPqM7lv IXtz84x9q0w00omdml0FMjRySuH+R/xFyjQIgrXkPTpw9tHfrK9O/uuMSC5axR7/ Fwmynv729vwJRBGFMAonN1LzRf32vFNZsT07Wl7h/4to74POZ6AxNPx5wqnP6qVS MsAMaDsxLmWE0edujuWU/qSxbwcMk97/cftuxwnsg75HorHy/yC5JqbbsdUrLitD bnNyBzqhg3P8ko6UmPPI01nqskVQbPKY3eU2n6B8VttFJCPNGPpNhSBDNOrr2Q1c wsv8V8Qk1GY70Gg4xK0cD9/AMmTyEkr1G+iOl3PnmUmrxBagUPTSDFhKpY5noTNF Hm4IvuhnM0Q9Rk2UlSp7nsqwCrfFhEu3p1XMPCnjpUw1Q+joAHzqrcZ+NExxOchU 0AFCNAN1brmXQi3gSuvPCkrHQ9iYgudDV9559W7T+WeRM1L4HlX03bHXVE34vzbY YMu5S4qjYrwkjdhklRyui09v9xjGD6wm/xFQ2CikFB6fl2SEF4vosATHW8dWIedR R79ziHkofvsmuMEY96M4pCuOr+S0w0D9BKFI1oRIb6q9lew6eW1iuB9OvuzAL/jc tlWW3uNlagu5OX4VcJ4jGmvSMG0QL3u63MR/Vr/ZmDV7di+QXa8Z5Cn8PY74Nq5F HovmFCmOvnY= =RbUo -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Deleting messages via IMAP
Kyle, fantastic explanation. Thanks a lot. I'll update to the latest. I know I'm using an old version. I've been meaning to update it for years. :) -Ken
Deleting messages via IMAP
Weird question, and sorry if this is not a mutt issue. I normally read my mail via mutt directly on the server, but sometimes access this mailbox via IMAP from my iPhone. If I delete messages from the iPhone, next time I open mutt those deleted messages are still in my mailbox, marked for deletion. How can I deal with this? Thanks. -Ken
Re: Deleting messages via IMAP
Am 2009-05-31 18:45:50, schrieb Ken Weingold: Weird question, and sorry if this is not a mutt issue. I normally read my mail via mutt directly on the server, but sometimes access this mailbox via IMAP from my iPhone. If I delete messages from the iPhone, next time I open mutt those deleted messages are still in my mailbox, marked for deletion. How can I deal with this? EXPUNGE or FLUSH Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 25.9V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # http://www.tamay-dogan.net/ Michelle Konzack http://www.can4linux.org/ Apt. 917 http://www.flexray4linux.org/ 50, rue de Soultz Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) Tel. DE: +49 177 9351947 ICQ #328449886Tel. FR: +33 6 61925193 signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Deleting messages via IMAP
On Mon, Jun 1, 2009, Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2009-05-31 18:45:50, schrieb Ken Weingold: Weird question, and sorry if this is not a mutt issue. I normally read my mail via mutt directly on the server, but sometimes access this mailbox via IMAP from my iPhone. If I delete messages from the iPhone, next time I open mutt those deleted messages are still in my mailbox, marked for deletion. How can I deal with this? EXPUNGE or FLUSH Sorry, I mean how to get the messages to really delete when I delete them from the iPhone, just as if I had deleted and hit $ from mutt. -Ken
Re: Deleting messages via IMAP
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Sunday, May 31 at 07:43 PM, quoth Ken Weingold: On Mon, Jun 1, 2009, Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2009-05-31 18:45:50, schrieb Ken Weingold: Weird question, and sorry if this is not a mutt issue. I normally read my mail via mutt directly on the server, but sometimes access this mailbox via IMAP from my iPhone. If I delete messages from the iPhone, next time I open mutt those deleted messages are still in my mailbox, marked for deletion. How can I deal with this? EXPUNGE or FLUSH Sorry, I mean how to get the messages to really delete when I delete them from the iPhone, just as if I had deleted and hit $ from mutt. That's more of an iPhone question than anything else... unfortunately, as far as I know, the answer is essentially what Michelle told you. You have to use the iPhone to explicitly remove the messages from the server. Unfortunately, according to what I've found with a few Google searches, that's currently impossible. For example, these folks: http://blogs.freshlogicstudios.com/Posts/View.aspx?Id=44a01293-3b32-4ee0-b23c-fac99348e1cd have created an extra utility just for expunging messages. Of course, the utility has to be run from a desktop (Windows) machine. An alternative is to simply convince mutt to hide these messages from you, which you can do using limit. But it might be simpler to simply have mutt do an automatic sync whenever it enters a mailbox, e.g.: folder-hook . 'exec sync-mailbox' ~Kyle - -- Coffee is the common man's gold, and like gold, it brings to every person the feeling of luxury and nobility. -- Sheik Abd-al-Kadir -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Thank you for using encryption! iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJKI1S2AAoJECuveozR/AWe6zYQAKeFB0RwahXrDbJ9KHSoVSm+ e1tkenhbOWpenus8K4O4KpBA8ajB0aPYhJSNnYOAMjcMoy7Lf6knkxKyigHx1GYm 4bhlvshW9iMjCZlp00om81KrfBX/yn6R3mivBXC+mPyRwH8EUNfoFQj4nw9Xq++5 pLLnUb3ju+K8cOEGy3/4v6MpRiN0yb/f9he/cfFvCiIABIxAmF802RDuJwXflgaO MUDFudwoybdUeGeOnzvOMbKYTJE6UQviUl/kUq+NE8rpPWDmzVaeQCx0nTNWzakg YaV+ZSX5ZW9X69rJP9PyHv2hA+L3rDxk6xPKmxJFd2CWhBzkEi2fGyrXnQFn/VON ByMNpbIQYLzmgBEj218apy8hau4jN9iQjloBBuprD1hSpfg1qE9xnX4Hcp5Th6pI nROE+hP7CyT5PXLq3y9ht7xRMz3U3vT3kittlkGuCY1HtAFBHdj7Mv3EBthDHzFi h78rGjl5uBh4jo1w+SI9I6MQ+baSYBY0/dYwGEP+3fNdWt7JKhVje7PhliQHk5Rz Z3A17c7O6NyS21jPq1KyGeo/T57eOSzodSNZ9YGoQrfuJJy67FYBRaAOIHHikOQV APsq4E6rKDl2j/Gsgk+BDKnQ2j0WFpdzzPciWcFqtCWzyAjKuINoTKxAxdjaiVOy p76+goQ4NHH1raYKCefs =lhLu -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Deleting messages via IMAP
On Sun, May 31, 2009, Kyle Wheeler wrote: That's more of an iPhone question than anything else... unfortunately, as far as I know, the answer is essentially what Michelle told you. You have to use the iPhone to explicitly remove the messages from the server. Unfortunately, according to what I've found with a few Google searches, that's currently impossible. For example, these folks: http://blogs.freshlogicstudios.com/Posts/View.aspx?Id=44a01293-3b32-4ee0-b23c-fac99348e1cd have created an extra utility just for expunging messages. Of course, the utility has to be run from a desktop (Windows) machine. An alternative is to simply convince mutt to hide these messages from you, which you can do using limit. But it might be simpler to simply have mutt do an automatic sync whenever it enters a mailbox, e.g.: folder-hook . 'exec sync-mailbox' Fair enough. Thanks. The other weird part is that after I've accessed my mail from the iPhone and then gone back into mutt, mutt will tell my I have new mail in that mailbox but then won't show there's new mail in that mailbox after that, so no indication in the status bar and nothing when I go to change folders. It will start working again properly once I've written to the mailbox from within mutt, like deleting and expunging. -Ken
