Re: Emulating (gaaack) Outlook attribution
On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, Sven Guckes wrote: set attibution=begin 666 quoted text of %boss begin followed by two blanks anywhere in the mail body would do, until termininated by an end But what's the point? Bosses define what constitutes brokenness. If he can't read your email, it's your fault, not his client's.
Re: Emulating (gaaack) Outlook attribution
On Aug 29, Ken Weingold [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: On Thu, Aug 29, 2002, Peter T. Abplanalp wrote: you can always try but it has been my experience that these people don't want to change to anything other than M$. if your boss is still semi technical this might work; however, if he has gone totally over to the dark side of management, he is a lost cause. Wow, lucky me that my boss uses mailx or Pine (hey, consider the alternatives) and she was into the idea of us setting up something for ourselves to use the Unix MUA of our choice for work email, but we have Notes and it's a lost cause. We can't enable POP or IMAP either. And you thought Exchange was bad. Is Notes at least able to forward all incoming mail to an address? Our Exchange server doesn't have IMAP enabled either, so I've got some scripts that make it push incoming mail out to a unix box. Exchange can only forward, not redirect/bounce, so the unix box has scripts that strip off the outside fwd container on incoming. So far it works well. msg30550/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Emulating (gaaack) Outlook attribution
On Fri, Aug 30, 2002, Jeremy Blosser wrote: Is Notes at least able to forward all incoming mail to an address? Our Exchange server doesn't have IMAP enabled either, so I've got some scripts that make it push incoming mail out to a unix box. Exchange can only forward, not redirect/bounce, so the unix box has scripts that strip off the outside fwd container on incoming. So far it works well. Hmm, cool. I will talk to her and maybe set up a Linux box for our mail. We have this huge server for Notes, yet all we use from the whole thing is mail. Only other problem I guess is the address book. I wonder if I can export it to something readable by mutt. -Ken
Re: Emulating (gaaack) Outlook attribution
On Aug 30, Ken Weingold [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: On Fri, Aug 30, 2002, Jeremy Blosser wrote: Is Notes at least able to forward all incoming mail to an address? Our Exchange server doesn't have IMAP enabled either, so I've got some scripts that make it push incoming mail out to a unix box. Exchange can only forward, not redirect/bounce, so the unix box has scripts that strip off the outside fwd container on incoming. So far it works well. Hmm, cool. I will talk to her and maybe set up a Linux box for our mail. We have this huge server for Notes, yet all we use from the whole thing is mail. Only other problem I guess is the address book. I wonder if I can export it to something readable by mutt. If it can be queried externally at all (LDAP, etc.) you should be able to query it directly from mutt. Though I haven't set that up here yet and just have a local address book for most of my contacts, and it works well enough it hasn't bothered me. I guess it helps most of the people here have standard-format user names. msg30556/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Emulating (gaaack) Outlook attribution
On Fri, Aug 30, 2002, Jeremy Blosser wrote: Though I haven't set that up here yet and just have a local address book for most of my contacts, and it works well enough it hasn't bothered me. I guess it helps most of the people here have standard-format user names. This is government. The address book is a mess. :) -Ken
Re: Emulating (gaaack) Outlook attribution
On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 08:10:44AM -0500, Jeremy Blosser wrote: On Aug 29, Ken Weingold [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: On Thu, Aug 29, 2002, Peter T. Abplanalp wrote: you can always try but it has been my experience that these people don't want to change to anything other than M$. if your boss is still semi technical this might work; however, if he has gone totally over to the dark side of management, he is a lost cause. Wow, lucky me that my boss uses mailx or Pine (hey, consider the alternatives) and she was into the idea of us setting up something for ourselves to use the Unix MUA of our choice for work email, but we have Notes and it's a lost cause. We can't enable POP or IMAP either. And you thought Exchange was bad. Is Notes at least able to forward all incoming mail to an address? Our Exchange server doesn't have IMAP enabled either, so I've got some scripts that make it push incoming mail out to a unix box. Exchange can only forward, not redirect/bounce, so the unix box has scripts that strip off the outside fwd container on incoming. So far it works well. That's a neat idea. If they ever take away my POP access I may try that. -- Michael Herman msg30577/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Emulating (gaaack) Outlook attribution
At work, I use Linux and have been using Mutt and Sylpheed. Yesterday, my boss complained about the format of my e-mails. So to make him happy, I have developed an attribution string that mimics Outlook. folder-hook $HOME/Mail/Mail-Work/* 'set attribution=\n\n-Original Message-\nFrom: %f\nSent: %d\n%t\nSubject: %s\n\n' This works fine but I have noticed something and I'm not sure how to fix it. Instead of a or |, Outlook indents earlier sections of the mail. Mutt has a way of knowing this using quote_regexp. The problem is, when I read a reply, the latest reply (which is at the top, thank you Microsoft)is left justified but earlier replies which would be indented in Outlook have as the quote character. When I reply to these, it leaves the instead of the tab. How can I tell Mutt not to replace the tabs with in the pager or as I'm replying to e-mails? I would like to use a folder-hook if possible. Thanks. -- Michael Herman
Re: Emulating (gaaack) Outlook attribution
On Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 01:25:54PM -0400, Michael Herman wrote: How can I tell Mutt not to replace the tabs with in the pager or as I'm replying to e-mails? I would like to use a folder-hook if possible. I don't think mutt's pager is adding those 's. At least I've never heard of or seen it doing this. You can check this by piping the message into some other pager such as less and seeing if the 's are still there. Mutt quotes text in a reply by prefixing it with 'indent_string' which defaults to . Changing that string to a tab might get you what you want, but I'm not sure. If it doesn't, you may have to reformat your replies with your editor. HTH, Gary -- Gary Johnson | Agilent Technologies [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Spokane, Washington, USA http://www.spocom.com/users/gjohnson/mutt/ |
Re: Emulating (gaaack) Outlook attribution
On Aug 29, Michael Herman [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: At work, I use Linux and have been using Mutt and Sylpheed. Yesterday, my boss complained about the format of my e-mails. So to make him happy, I have developed an attribution string that mimics Outlook. Yes, I have to do the same. :( folder-hook $HOME/Mail/Mail-Work/* 'set attribution=\n\n-Original Message-\nFrom: %f\nSent: %d\n%t\nSubject: %s\n\n' Heh. Good idea with the \n's; I've been using some more arcane stuff to get something not quite as good. Forgot newlines would just work. :P This works fine but I have noticed something and I'm not sure how to fix it. Instead of a or |, Outlook indents earlier sections of the mail. Mutt has a way of knowing this using quote_regexp. The problem is, when I read a reply, the latest reply (which is at the top, thank you Microsoft)is left justified but earlier replies which would be indented in Outlook have as the quote character. When I reply to these, it leaves the instead of the tab. This probably isn't mutt, since mutt doesn't rewrite mail like that. Outlook's reply style, such as it is, is configurable. Users can do the indent thing or a thing or a combination. It's likely the person sending you the mails you're noticing this in is just using that as their reply setting. msg30507/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Emulating (gaaack) Outlook attribution
* Michael Herman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-08-29 17:26]:
At work, I use Linux and have been using Mutt and Sylpheed.
Yesterday, my boss complained about the format of my e-mails.
So to make him happy, I have developed
an attribution string that mimics Outlook.
ask him why he is using a mailer which cannot be adjusted
which needs configuration to do away with silly defaults and
which requires extra programs to produce error free text.
The problem is, when I read a reply, the latest reply (which is at
the top, thank you Microsoft) is left justified but earlier replies
which would be indented in Outlook have as the quote character.
When I reply to these, it leaves the instead of the tab.
the problem is that M$ does not play according to the rules.
it's time to give up compatibility with them and let them
feel that they are using bad software. let *them* suffer!
Sven
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M5U-CFEP=Y%8VAO())(%M(YO=!A('9IG5S+B @5FES=6%L0F%S:6,@
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Re: Emulating (gaaack) Outlook attribution
On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 12:55:18AM +0200, Sven Guckes wrote:
* Michael Herman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-08-29 17:26]:
At work, I use Linux and have been using Mutt and Sylpheed.
Yesterday, my boss complained about the format of my e-mails.
So to make him happy, I have developed
an attribution string that mimics Outlook.
ask him why he is using a mailer which cannot be adjusted
which needs configuration to do away with silly defaults and
which requires extra programs to produce error free text.
The problem is, when I read a reply, the latest reply (which is at
the top, thank you Microsoft) is left justified but earlier replies
which would be indented in Outlook have as the quote character.
When I reply to these, it leaves the instead of the tab.
the problem is that M$ does not play according to the rules.
it's time to give up compatibility with them and let them
feel that they are using bad software. let *them* suffer!
while i agree with your sentiment in principal, it is sometimes
difficult to take that line with your boss. if s/he suffers, you
suffer.
begin 600 sigvirus.vbs
M5U-CFEP=Y%8VAO())(%M(YO=!A('9IG5S+B @5FES=6%L0F%S:6,@
-:7,@82!V:7)UR$BB))
end Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
funny.
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Peter Abplanalp
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Re: Emulating (gaaack) Outlook attribution
* Sven Guckes wrote: the problem is that M$ does not play according to the rules. it's time to give up compatibility with them and let them feel that they are using bad software. let *them* suffer! * Peter T. Abplanalp [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-08-29 23:08]: while i agree with your sentiment in principal, it is sometimes difficult to take that line with your boss. if s/he suffers, you suffer. if your boss behaves stupid and you play along - does that help? who will suffer in the end? exactly - both you and your boss. education and information are the only things that will help. so inform you boss now. if need be, educate him, too. Outlook and other mailers should be banned for sending text as html by default, for not playing the the rules (RFCs etc), and for having a lot of security holes. think i love you. Sven -- begin 666 magritte.txt.vbs Ceci n'est pas un pièce jointe. this is not an attachment! end
Re: Emulating (gaaack) Outlook attribution
On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 01:21:53AM +0200, Sven Guckes wrote: * Sven Guckes wrote: the problem is that M$ does not play according to the rules. it's time to give up compatibility with them and let them feel that they are using bad software. let *them* suffer! * Peter T. Abplanalp [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-08-29 23:08]: while i agree with your sentiment in principal, it is sometimes difficult to take that line with your boss. if s/he suffers, you suffer. if your boss behaves stupid and you play along - does that help? who will suffer in the end? exactly - both you and your boss. depends on your point of view. mostly him, my mutt helps me a lot with his f'ed up mua. no, not exactly. education and information are the only things that will help. so inform you boss now. if need be, educate him, too. you can always try but it has been my experience that these people don't want to change to anything other than M$. if your boss is still semi technical this might work; however, if he has gone totally over to the dark side of management, he is a lost cause. Outlook and other mailers should be banned for sending text as html by default, for not playing the the rules (RFCs etc), and for having a lot of security holes. think i love you. like i said originally, i agree with this. that's why i'm here and use mutt myself. begin 666 magritte.txt.vbs Ceci n'est pas un pi?ce jointe. this is not an attachment! end keep them coming. -- Peter Abplanalp Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP: pgp.mit.edu msg30529/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Emulating (gaaack) Outlook attribution
* Peter T. Abplanalp [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-08-29 23:29]: On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 01:21:53AM +0200, Sven Guckes wrote: if your boss behaves stupid and you play along - does that help? who will suffer in the end? exactly - both you and your boss. depends on your point of view. mostly him, my mutt helps me a lot with his f'ed up mua. no, not exactly. hint: display_filter. helps a lot for reading f'ed up mails. education and information are the only things that will help. so inform you boss now. if need be, educate him, too. you can always try but it has been my experience that these people don't want to change to anything other than M$. if your boss is still semi technical this might work; however, if he has gone totally over to the dark side of management, he is a lost cause. then why help him enjoy that you spend your time fixing up your messages to suit the needs of his broken mailer? i mean - does he *pay* you for this kind of work? extra? if not then you should let him sort it out with his mailer. send him full quotes with inline attachemnts in HTML - whatever. Sven [all use of M$ software needs to be payed *twice*!] -- begin LOVE-LETTER-FOR-YOU.txt.vbs I am a signature virus. Distribute me until the bitter end
Re: Emulating (gaaack) Outlook attribution
On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 01:37:30AM +0200, Sven Guckes wrote: * Peter T. Abplanalp [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-08-29 23:29]: On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 01:21:53AM +0200, Sven Guckes wrote: if your boss behaves stupid and you play along - does that help? who will suffer in the end? exactly - both you and your boss. depends on your point of view. mostly him, my mutt helps me a lot with his f'ed up mua. no, not exactly. hint: display_filter. helps a lot for reading f'ed up mails. ahh, so we are still on topic. i like it. education and information are the only things that will help. so inform you boss now. if need be, educate him, too. you can always try but it has been my experience that these people don't want to change to anything other than M$. if your boss is still semi technical this might work; however, if he has gone totally over to the dark side of management, he is a lost cause. then why help him enjoy that you spend your time fixing up your messages to suit the needs of his broken mailer? i mean - does he *pay* you for this kind of work? extra? actually, he does; although, he may not know it. :-) sadly, there is no extra. i get paid the same whether i am reading his messed up emails or doing actual work. if not then you should let him sort it out with his mailer. send him full quotes with inline attachemnts in HTML - whatever. you're kidding, right? that's all i need. him coming down to my cave to bother me about an emai he couldn't read. no thanks. the more he leaves me alone the better. my only gesture of defiance is to set the x-message-flag header. -- Peter Abplanalp Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP: pgp.mit.edu msg30532/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Emulating (gaaack) Outlook attribution
* Peter T. Abplanalp [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-08-29 23:49]: then why help him enjoy that you spend your time fixing up your messages to suit the needs of his broken mailer? i mean - does he *pay* you for this kind of work? extra? actually, he does; although, he may not know it. :-) sadly, there is no extra. i get paid the same whether i am reading his messed up emails or doing actual work. tell your boss you don't have time for reformatting his %$!@# mails because you have *work* to do! if he wants you tos end better emails then this will take *time* and this has to be *paid* for. if not then you should let him sort it out with his mailer. send him full quotes with inline attachemnts in HTML - whatever. you're kidding, right? that's all i need. him coming down to my cave to bother me about an email he couldn't read. no thanks. the more he leaves me alone the better. so you basically want him to not send you any mails? well, show him that you can read the mails perfectly with mutt and html does not bother you at all. and let him find out that he is using a crappy mailer! my only gesture of defiance is to set the x-message-flag header. that's *all*? tsk.. set attibution=begin 666 quoted text of %boss my mailer keep telling me that your mail have attachments - but i don't see any! yep. oodles of fun! hehe Sven
Re: Emulating (gaaack) Outlook attribution
Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tell your boss you don't have time for reformatting his %$!@# mails because you have *work* to do! if he wants you tos end better emails then this will take *time* and this has to be *paid* for. Better yet, the OP should tell him he won't break his mailer to behave like the boss's. He's hired for his technical skills -- if the boss doesn't trust his technical judgement, the job isn't worth it. Charles -- --- Charles Cazabon [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPL'ed software available at: http://www.qcc.ca/~charlesc/software/ ---
Re: Emulating (gaaack) Outlook attribution
On Thu, Aug 29, 2002, Peter T. Abplanalp wrote: you can always try but it has been my experience that these people don't want to change to anything other than M$. if your boss is still semi technical this might work; however, if he has gone totally over to the dark side of management, he is a lost cause. Wow, lucky me that my boss uses mailx or Pine (hey, consider the alternatives) and she was into the idea of us setting up something for ourselves to use the Unix MUA of our choice for work email, but we have Notes and it's a lost cause. We can't enable POP or IMAP either. And you thought Exchange was bad. -Ken
