Mail-Followup-To (was: Please use the 'L' command to send mail)
On 1999-10-27 11:32:54 +0200, Thomas Roessler wrote: On 1999-10-27 08:51:22 +0100, Chris Green wrote: Since most people on this list presumably use mutt would it be too much to ask that they use the 'L' command to respond to mail on the list. Many of the responses to my recent questions and comments have been sent to both the list and to me. It's no big deal but it would make for a little less mail to delete. Well, you could also just let your instance of mutt generate Mail-Followup-To headers... ;-) Which btw is not in the latest draft of Common Internet Message Header Fields. Best regards Martin P.S.: Any chance of adding the rfc2369-headers to this list? -- Martin Schröder, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ArtCom GmbH, Grazer Straße 8, D-28359 Bremen Voice +49 421 20419-44 / Fax +49 421 20419-10 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Common Internet Message Header Fields Author(s) : J. Palme Filename: draft-palme-mailext-headers-02.txt Pages : 23 Date: 18-Oct-99 This memo contains a table of commonly occurring header fields in headings of e-mail messages. The document compiles information from other RFCs such as RFC 822, RFC 1036, RFC 1123, RFC 1327, RFC 1496, RFC 2045, RFC 1766, RFC 1806, RFC 1864 and RFC 1911. A few commonly occurring header fields which are not defined in RFCs are also included. For each header field, the memo gives a short description and a reference to the RFC in which the header field is defined. This document is a revision of RFC 2076. The following new header fields, not included in RFC 2076, have been added: Content-Alias, Disposition-Notification-Options, Disposition-Notification-To, Expiry- Date, For-Approval, List-Archive, List-Help, List-ID, List-Owner, List- Post, List-Software, List-Subscribe, List-Unsubscribe, Original- Recipient, PICS-Label, X-Envelope-From, X-Envelope-To, X-List-Host, X- Listserver, X-MIME-Autoconverted, X-No-Archive, X-Priority, X-UIDL. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-palme-mailext-headers-02.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-palme-mailext-headers-02.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-palme-mailext-headers-02.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. draft-palme-mailext-headers-02.txt PGP signature
Re: Please use the 'L' command to send mail
On 1999-10-27 12:20:29 +0100, Chris Green wrote: I think it should be set to do so, I looked up in the manual and it says the default for 'followup_to' is 'set'. I have this list set up as a list in my .muttrc file, so as I understand it, I should already be setting Mail-Followup-To: shouldn't I? I must admit that if I look at the headers I can't see it though, why isn't it there? You're using the unstable branch. That means that, in order to get mail-followup-to set, you have to add the list to the list of subscribed lists. See muttrc (5). -- http://www.guug.de/~roessler/
Re: Please use the 'L' command to send mail
On Wed, Oct 27, 1999 at 01:30:27PM +0100, Chris Green wrote: You're using the unstable branch. That means that, in order to get mail-followup-to set, you have to add the list to the list of subscribed lists. See muttrc (5). Is this something in addition to the 'lists' command in my .muttrc? The mutt list is already in my muttrc 'lists'. Oops, yes I've found it, thanks! This message should have the 'Mail-followup-to:', but it *still* hasn't and I do have mutt in the 'subscribe' list in my .muttrc file. So what now? -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.isbd.co.uk/
Re: Please use the 'L' command to send mail
On Wed, Oct 27, 1999 at 01:40:35PM +0100, Chris Green wrote: On Wed, Oct 27, 1999 at 01:30:27PM +0100, Chris Green wrote: You're using the unstable branch. That means that, in order to get mail-followup-to set, you have to add the list to the list of subscribed lists. See muttrc (5). Is this something in addition to the 'lists' command in my .muttrc? The mutt list is already in my muttrc 'lists'. Oops, yes I've found it, thanks! This message should have the 'Mail-followup-to:', but it *still* hasn't and I do have mutt in the 'subscribe' list in my .muttrc file. So what now? But it does... unless you mean somewhere else: X-From_: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Oct 27 22:42:39 1999 Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 13:40:35 +0100 From: Chris Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Please use the 'L' command to send mail Mail-Followup-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.6i In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk -- CaT ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) URL: http://www.zip.com.au/dev/null 'He had position, but I was determined to score.' -- Worf, DS9, Season 5: 'Let He Who Is Without Sin...'
Re: Please use the 'L' command to send mail
On Wed, Oct 27, 1999 at 01:40:35PM +0100 or thereabouts, Chris Green wrote: Oops, yes I've found it, thanks! This message should have the 'Mail-followup-to:', but it *still* hasn't and I do have mutt in the 'subscribe' list in my .muttrc file. So what now? Um, it does, you know: Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 13:40:35 +0100 From: Chris Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Please use the 'L' command to send mail Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mail-Followup-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.6i :) Telsa (using L, although I suspect that r would have done just fine atm...)
Re: Please use the 'L' command to send mail
Chris Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Wed, 27 Oct 1999: Oops, yes I've found it, thanks! This message should have the 'Mail-followup-to:', but it *still* hasn't and I do have mutt in the 'subscribe' list in my .muttrc file. So what now? It did (as was pointed out). I'm only adding the possible reason: maybe Mutt doesn't add that until the email is sent, so you won't see it with "edit message with headers". Mikko -- // Mikko Hänninen, aka. Wizzu // [EMAIL PROTECTED] // http://www.iki.fi/wiz/ // The Corrs list maintainer // net.freak // DALnet IRC operator / // Interests: roleplaying, Linux, the Net, fantasy scifi, the Corrs / "Do you have a backup of the data you used to have on this disk?"
Re: Please use the 'L' command to send mail
Chris Green writes: Since most people on this list presumably use mutt would it be too much to ask that they use the 'L' command to respond to mail on the list. Many of the responses to my recent questions and comments have been sent to both the list and to me. It's no big deal but it would make for a little less mail to delete. A quick fix on your end, assuming you're also running procmail (a good assumption on this mailing list), Add the following to the front of your .procmailrc file: :0 Wh: msgid.lock | formail -D 8192 msgid.cache This discards duplicate mails based upon the message ID header. Alec -- Alec Habig, Boston University Particle Astrophysics Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hep.bu.edu/~habig/
Re: Please use the 'L' command to send mail
This seems like a good time to ask my question. I used to have my mailing lists in my .muttrc file, but when messages would come to my inbox they would show up in the index as being from the list and not from their author. I am on a lot of mailing lists, and there are some people whose posts I like to read all the time, and read the others depending on whether the topic interests me. Is there a way to get the message index to show the author's name instead of the list name? TIA On 27 October 1999 at 13:45, Telsa Gwynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Um, it does, you know: * * Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 13:40:35 +0100 * From: Chris Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] * To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Subject: Re: Please use the 'L' command to send mail * Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Mail-Followup-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Mime-Version: 1.0 * Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii * User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.6i * * :) * * Telsa (using L, although I suspect that r would have done just fine * atm...) -- I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOMETHING in science called the "reindeer effect." I don't know what it would be, but I think it'd be good to hear someone say, "Gentlemen, what we have here is a terrifying example of the reindeer effect." -- Jack Handley, The New Mexican, 1988.
Re: Please use the 'L' command to send mail
A quick fix on your end, assuming you're also running procmail (a good assumption on this mailing list), Add the following to the front of your .procmailrc file: :0 Wh: msgid.lock | formail -D 8192 msgid.cache This discards duplicate mails based upon the message ID header. While this recipe is on the procmailex man page, a recipe to save duplicates into a different folder is a lot safer (like the one further down in procmailex(5)). Consider the case when mail delivery is interrupted after the duplicate recipe, but before mailbox delivery. On next delivery, the message is silently discarded although it was never delivered.
Re: Please use the 'L' command to send mail
Chris Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Wed, 27 Oct 1999: However it didn't show up when I did an 'E', does that only show my wanted headers as opposed to all of them, I suppose that must be it. No, I think you don't see it in "E" is because it's not there yet. It gets added when the email goes out, *after* editing. The same as the Date header too for example, it's not there when you do "E". Mikko -- // Mikko Hänninen, aka. Wizzu // [EMAIL PROTECTED] // http://www.iki.fi/wiz/ // The Corrs list maintainer // net.freak // DALnet IRC operator / // Interests: roleplaying, Linux, the Net, fantasy scifi, the Corrs / Warning: Dates in the calendar are closer than they appear.
Re: Please use the 'L' command to send mail
Carrie Jamrogowicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Wed, 27 Oct 1999:
Is there a way to get the message index to show the author's name instead
of the list name?
The default $index_format is "%4C %Z %{%b %d} %-15.15L (%4l) %s"
Change the %-15.15L to %-15.15F (or possibly lower-case f, if you
like, or lower-case n). More information about these in the manual
entry for the $index_format variable.
Mikko,
who thinks this may be another FAQ?
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Re: Please use the 'L' command to send mail
Lars Hecking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Wed, 27 Oct 1999: While this recipe is on the procmailex man page, a recipe to save duplicates into a different folder is a lot safer (like the one further down in procmailex(5)). There's also some specialised scripts/programs (made with perl) that use better checking than just the Message-IDs for detecting duplicates (md5 hash, etc.). I remember seeing links to a couple of these on the Qmail home page, but they probably wouldn't work without modification on non-qmail systems. Consider the case when mail delivery is interrupted after the duplicate recipe, but before mailbox delivery. On next delivery, the message is silently discarded although it was never delivered. Or the case when all mail somehow ends up in the main inbox, unfiltered, and you think "oh I'll just fix the .procmailrc recipes and run procmail on all messages in my inbox to get them all sorted into proper folders", forgetting about the duplicate filter rule. Mikko, who has once lost all of his inbox contents this way -- // Mikko Hänninen, aka. Wizzu // [EMAIL PROTECTED] // http://www.iki.fi/wiz/ // The Corrs list maintainer // net.freak // DALnet IRC operator / // Interests: roleplaying, Linux, the Net, fantasy scifi, the Corrs / Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most.
