Re: A wish for the mailboxes command
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 05:01:23PM +0200, Alex Huth wrote: On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 03:33:07PM +0100, Chris G wrote: On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 03:23:55PM +0200, Alex Huth wrote: Only if it knows which ones have new mail in them! That's where we came in. That´s what i am talking about. I am using sidebar with lot of maildirs and the following in the config: set check_new=yes set mail_check=60 Works perfect! Fine, and 'c[hange to directory with new mail]' will work perfectly too, without the sidebar. -- Chris Green
Re: A wish for the mailboxes command
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 09:07:01AM -0700, Chip Camden wrote: On Jun 24 16:09, Chris G wrote: After all the recent discussion of detecting new mail etc. it occurs to me that it would be very useful to be able to tell mutt that it should scan all files in a particular directory for new mail. If one does have more than one (and non-standard) incoming mail destinations then it's almost inevitable that they will be in one place, or at most two or three places. In my case I have:- ~/Mail/In with inbox, junk and bcs in it ~/Mail/Li with all my mailing list incoming mail, each to its own file/folder If I could just say:- mailboxes ~/Mail/In ~/Mail/Li it would make my life a whole lot simpler. (I guess I might want to unmailboxes ~/Mail/In/junk) -- Chris Green I don't rely on mutt to tell me when new mail arrives. For one thing, I usually have a different workspace active. So I display it in an xmobar section, and use this ruby script to test for new mail in each mbox file: I don't really want to know when new mail arrives, what I want is the ability to quickly go to all the mailboxes which have new incoming mail when I'm running mutt. I don't have any need to respond quickly to messages, just a need to be able to find them. Mutt usually sits running in a dedicated terminal on one of my workspaces with the 'main' inbox displayed so I just need to glance at that to see any non-list E-Mails. -- Chris Green
Two alternative proposed fixes [Was: Re: A wish for the mailboxes command]
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 10:47:29AM +0100, Chris G wrote: I don't really want to know when new mail arrives, what I want is the ability to quickly go to all the mailboxes which have new incoming mail when I'm running mutt. I don't have any need to respond quickly to messages, just a need to be able to find them. Mutt usually sits running in a dedicated terminal on one of my workspaces with the 'main' inbox displayed so I just need to glance at that to see any non-list E-Mails. That is also my usage pattern. If a script like Chip Camden's, or one in Gawk, running as a coprocess to mutt, could steer mutt's mail Newness decisions, then mutt's current erroneous behaviour could be fixed, possibly using more effort than is necessary. I would be delighted to write, debug, and maintain the coprocess, if it were necessary to go that way. While that would be a lot of fun, mutt itself does seem able to be cured of its current fibbing behaviour. (Try copying this message to this mail folder. Mutt says New mail in this mailbox. What hokum.) Mutt needs to check the size and/or atime of the destination folder _before_ it writes, rather than cookily doing it _after_. Then the erroneous and misleading immediate message would go away. To fix the problem of mutt adding the transfer recipient folder to its list of New folders on its next scan, another small bugfix is also required. Once the recipient file has been written, mutt needs to update its current values for file size and atime, so that the Newness reference will be correct. Would that not put an end to its fibbing ways? Erik -- Never worry about theory as long as the machinery does what it's supposed to do. -- Robert A. Heinlein
Re: Two alternative proposed fixes [Was: Re: A wish for the mailboxes command]
Erik Christiansen schrieb am 25.06.2010 um 20:48 (+1000): While that would be a lot of fun, mutt itself does seem able to be cured of its current fibbing behaviour. (Try copying this message to this mail folder. Mutt says New mail in this mailbox. What hokum.) Confirmed :-) Mutt needs to check the size and/or atime of the destination folder _before_ it writes, rather than cookily doing it _after_. Then the erroneous and misleading immediate message would go away. To fix the problem of mutt adding the transfer recipient folder to its list of New folders on its next scan, another small bugfix is also required. Once the recipient file has been written, mutt needs to update its current values for file size and atime, so that the Newness reference will be correct. Would that not put an end to its fibbing ways? Sounds like it would! One more example, I have the following setting to store mail conversations as threads: set spoolfile = +Neu # c! set record = +Neu # c So when I send a message that is not going to a list, it goes to +Neu, and I'm notified of a new message in +Neu, which is technically correct, but as I put it there myself I don't need to be told about it. Checking for new mail before a user-triggered write operation, as you suggested, would, I think, fix the issue. -- Michael Ludwig
Re: A wish for the mailboxes command
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 10:47:29AM +0100, Chris G wrote: On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 09:07:01AM -0700, Chip Camden wrote: I don't really want to know when new mail arrives, what I want is the ability to quickly go to all the mailboxes which have new incoming mail when I'm running mutt. I don't have any need to respond quickly to messages, just a need to be able to find them. Mutt usually sits running in a dedicated terminal on one of my workspaces with the 'main' inbox displayed so I just need to glance at that to see any non-list E-Mails. Hmmm, if i understand it right sidebar will be your friend. It shows all folders/files with new mails and give you quick acces to them. Greetings Alex Huth
Re: A wish for the mailboxes command
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 03:23:55PM +0200, Alex Huth wrote: On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 10:47:29AM +0100, Chris G wrote: On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 09:07:01AM -0700, Chip Camden wrote: I don't really want to know when new mail arrives, what I want is the ability to quickly go to all the mailboxes which have new incoming mail when I'm running mutt. I don't have any need to respond quickly to messages, just a need to be able to find them. Mutt usually sits running in a dedicated terminal on one of my workspaces with the 'main' inbox displayed so I just need to glance at that to see any non-list E-Mails. Hmmm, if i understand it right sidebar will be your friend. It shows all folders/files with new mails and give you quick acces to them. Only if it knows which ones have new mail in them! That's where we came in. -- Chris Green
Re: Two alternative proposed fixes [Was: Re: A wish for the mailboxes command]
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 02:46:23PM +0200, Michael Ludwig wrote: Checking for new mail before a user-triggered write operation, as you suggested, would, I think, fix the issue. Thank you. After checking 114 fleas which mentioned New mail, I've added ticket #3424. Erik -- The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. - George Bernard Shaw
Re: A wish for the mailboxes command
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 03:33:07PM +0100, Chris G wrote: On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 03:23:55PM +0200, Alex Huth wrote: Only if it knows which ones have new mail in them! That's where we came in. That´s what i am talking about. I am using sidebar with lot of maildirs and the following in the config: set check_new=yes set mail_check=60 Works perfect! Greetings Alex Huth
Re: A wish for the mailboxes command
On 24.06.10,16:09, Chris G wrote: After all the recent discussion of detecting new mail etc. it occurs to me that it would be very useful to be able to tell mutt that it should scan all files in a particular directory for new mail. If one does have more than one (and non-standard) incoming mail destinations then it's almost inevitable that they will be in one place, or at most two or three places. In my case I have:- ~/Mail/In with inbox, junk and bcs in it ~/Mail/Li with all my mailing list incoming mail, each to its own file/folder If I could just say:- mailboxes ~/Mail/In ~/Mail/Li it would make my life a whole lot simpler. (I guess I might want to unmailboxes ~/Mail/In/junk) Have you tried something like this in your .muttrc? mailboxes `echo ~/Mail/In*/*` Jostein
Re: A wish for the mailboxes command
On Jun 24 16:09, Chris G wrote: After all the recent discussion of detecting new mail etc. it occurs to me that it would be very useful to be able to tell mutt that it should scan all files in a particular directory for new mail. If one does have more than one (and non-standard) incoming mail destinations then it's almost inevitable that they will be in one place, or at most two or three places. In my case I have:- ~/Mail/In with inbox, junk and bcs in it ~/Mail/Li with all my mailing list incoming mail, each to its own file/folder If I could just say:- mailboxes ~/Mail/In ~/Mail/Li it would make my life a whole lot simpler. (I guess I might want to unmailboxes ~/Mail/In/junk) -- Chris Green I don't rely on mutt to tell me when new mail arrives. For one thing, I usually have a different workspace active. So I display it in an xmobar section, and use this ruby script to test for new mail in each mbox file: #!/usr/bin/env ruby newmail=0 in_hdr=false $.each do |line| case line when /^From / newmail += 1 in_hdr = true when /^Status: RO/ newmail -= 1 if in_hdr when /^\s*$/ in_hdr = false end end puts newmail That prints the number of new messages in each mbox file to stdout, which gets piped to xmobar for display at the top of all workspaces. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com | http://chipsquips.com
