[OT] Re: Setting the hostname used in HELO
MuttER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, it would mask your problem (`man band-aid`). The real solution is to configure your MTA to use an acceptable argument to the HELO command, or to tell it to forward your mail to your ISP's smarthost. This is possible with sendmail or any other MTA. Where do I 'configure my MTA to use an acceptable argument to the HELO COMMAND ?? If you're running qmail, it's set in the control file helohost. If you're running sendmail, I haven't the foggiest idea, but it's probably buried somewhere in that 1000+ line monstrosity known as sendmail.cf. Charles -- --- Charles Cazabon [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPL'ed software available at: http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/ ---
Re: [OT] Re: Setting the hostname used in HELO
* Charles Cazabon [EMAIL PROTECTED] [03-08-02 19:52] crowed: MuttER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, it would mask your problem (`man band-aid`). The real solution is to configure your MTA to use an acceptable argument to the HELO command, or to tell it to forward your mail to your ISP's smarthost. This is possible with sendmail or any other MTA. Where do I 'configure my MTA to use an acceptable argument to the HELO COMMAND ?? If you're running qmail, it's set in the control file helohost. If you're running sendmail, I haven't the foggiest idea, but it's probably buried somewhere in that 1000+ line monstrosity known as sendmail.cf. I am running postfix. -- Pat Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 Registered at: http://counter.li.org 9:20pm up 19 days, 11:53, 6 users, load average: 0.21, 0.31, 0.23
Re: [OT] Re: Setting the hostname used in HELO
On Fri, 08 Mar 2002, Charles Cazabon wrote: MuttER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, it would mask your problem (`man band-aid`). The real solution is to configure your MTA to use an acceptable argument to the HELO command, or to tell it to forward your mail to your ISP's smarthost. This is possible with sendmail or any other MTA. Where do I 'configure my MTA to use an acceptable argument to the HELO COMMAND ?? If you're running qmail, it's set in the control file helohost. If you're running sendmail, I haven't the foggiest idea, but it's probably buried somewhere in that 1000+ line monstrosity known as sendmail.cf. So read the man page for whatever MTA you are using to find out what the name of the config file is, then you can issue the command (in my case for exim): cat /etc/exim/exim.conf |grep helo It will show you the line and what variable you need to be looking for. -- Knute I like greps. Especially the green ones! :) msg25203/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [OT] Re: Setting the hostname used in HELO
* Knute [EMAIL PROTECTED] [03-08-02 21:47] crowed:
On Fri, 08 Mar 2002, Charles Cazabon wrote:
MuttER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No, it would mask your problem (`man band-aid`). The real solution is
to configure your MTA to use an acceptable argument to the HELO
command, or to tell it to forward your mail to your ISP's smarthost.
This is possible with sendmail or any other MTA.
Where do I 'configure my MTA to use an acceptable argument to the
HELO COMMAND ??
If you're running qmail, it's set in the control file helohost. If you're
running sendmail, I haven't the foggiest idea, but it's probably buried
somewhere in that 1000+ line monstrosity known as sendmail.cf.
So read the man page for whatever MTA you are using to find out what the
name of the config file is, then you can issue the command (in my case
for exim):
cat /etc/exim/exim.conf |grep helo
It will show you the line and what variable you need to be looking for.
:~ grep -i helo /etc/sendmail.cf
O PrivacyOptions=authwarnings,needmailhelo,novrfy,noexpn,noverb
#O Timeout.helo=5m
# Allow HELO SMTP command that does not include a host name
#O AllowBogusHELO=False
O Milter.macros.helo={tls_version}, {cipher}, {cipher_bits},{cert_subject},
{cert_issuer}
??
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Re: [OT] Re: Setting the hostname used in HELO
On Fri Mar 08, 2002 at 09:20:39PM -0500, MuttER wrote: * Charles Cazabon [EMAIL PROTECTED] [03-08-02 19:52] crowed: MuttER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, it would mask your problem (`man band-aid`). The real solution is to configure your MTA to use an acceptable argument to the HELO command, or to tell it to forward your mail to your ISP's smarthost. This is possible with sendmail or any other MTA. Where do I 'configure my MTA to use an acceptable argument to the HELO COMMAND ?? If you're running qmail, it's set in the control file helohost. If you're running sendmail, I haven't the foggiest idea, but it's probably buried somewhere in that 1000+ line monstrosity known as sendmail.cf. I am running postfix. My postfix server has this in main.cf myhostname = polycarp.robnett.net I would bet that the $myhostname combined with valid forward and reverse DNS would do the trick. Tim
Re: Setting the hostname used in HELO
On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 10:29:48AM -0800, Bob McLaren wrote: So now what I am looking for is a simple SMTP client that is as easy to use as Mutt, or, some alternative means of getting Mutt to talk to my remote smtp server. nullmailer Simple, robust, relay only sendmail wrapper... -- _.|._ |_ _.: Adam Byrtek, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (_|||_)| |(_|: gg 1802819, pgp 0xB25952C0 |
Re: Setting the hostname used in HELO
On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 10:29:48AM -0800, Bob McLaren wrote: So now what I am looking for is a simple SMTP client that is as easy to use as Mutt, or, some alternative means of getting Mutt to talk to my remote smtp server. What about port-forwarding with ssh? -- Cheers, H. Heil __ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Ihre E-Mail noch individueller? - http://domains.yahoo.de
Re: Setting the hostname used in HELO
On 06-Mar-02 at 17:11, Heiko Heil's inspired musing was thus : On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 10:29:48AM -0800, Bob McLaren wrote: So now what I am looking for is a simple SMTP client that is as easy to use as Mutt, or, some alternative means of getting Mutt to talk to my remote smtp server. What about port-forwarding with ssh? Two contradictions... as easy to use as Mutt... ahem, well yes from a certain point of view Mutt is easy to use don't flame me. And then, if we need an easy solution... port forwarding with SSH... easy? hehee -- |-Simon White # GIMPS current unit progress: 28.60% #-| |-Internet Services Manager # http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm #-| |-MTDS S.A. 14, rue 16 novembre THIS SPACE tel: +212.3.737.4861-| |-Rabat, Kingdom of MoroccoFOR RENTfax: +212.3.737.4863-|
Re: Setting the hostname used in HELO
Would any of you know of a simple, command-line based Linux SMTP client that is as easy to use as Mutt for sending mime attachments? I really like the fact that Mutt handles all the mime encoding so I don't have to mess with it. -- Bob McLaren Internet Services Project Manager Financial Statement Services, Inc. http://www.fssi-ca.com Simon White wrote: On 03-Mar-02 at 00:24, Jonathan Irving's inspired musing was thus : * Simon White [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.02.28 18:02 +]: No, what I was trying to say (perhaps I wasn't clear) is that you cannot get mutt to send mail to your public SMTP server, you have to run an SMTP server on your machine in order to get mutt to send mail. There are several suggestions depending on your setup, see the mutt web pages and the manual, usually in /usr/local/doc/mutt/manual.txt. You actually need a SMTP /client/ with a sendmail commandline interface. Sorry to be a pedant. Never apologise for being picky about things like that. Using the correct language is appropriate in this case. You're right, you just need a lightweight SMTP client, and indeed running an SMTP server (which of course also functions as a client) may be overkill and cause extra unnecessary configuration. I stand corrected. -- |-Simon White |-Internet Services Manager |-MTDS S.A. / \ |-tel +212.3.767.4861# GIMPS current unit progress: 25.47% # |-fax +212.3.767.4863# (http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm) # |-14, rue 16 novembre\ / |-Rabat, Kingdom of Morocco
Re: Setting the hostname used in HELO
On 2002.03.05, in [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bob McLaren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would any of you know of a simple, command-line based Linux SMTP client that is as easy to use as Mutt for sending mime attachments? I really like the fact that Mutt handles all the mime encoding so I don't have to mess with it. echo Dear Mom - Here is the photo I promised you. \ | mutt -s Photo of Timmy -a little_timmy.jpg [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -D.[EMAIL PROTECTED]NSITUniversity of Chicago
Re: Setting the hostname used in HELO
On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 10:17:46AM -0800, Bob McLaren wrote: Would any of you know of a simple, command-line based Linux SMTP client that is as easy to use as Mutt for sending mime attachments? I really like the fact that Mutt handles all the mime encoding so I don't have to mess with it. Why not use mutt from the command line? -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V A) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Charite Campus Virchow-Klinikum Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Referat V A - Kommunikationsnetze - Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that worked.-- John Gall
Re: Setting the hostname used in HELO
In response to both David and Ralf, The original problem is that, when I use Mutt from the command line, it uses the LOCAL smtp server to send emails. I need the client to connect to a REMOTE smtp server, and as far as I understand from Simon, Mutt cannot be configured to connect to a remote SMTP server. So now what I am looking for is a simple SMTP client that is as easy to use as Mutt, or, some alternative means of getting Mutt to talk to my remote smtp server. Any ideas? David Champion wrote: On 2002.03.05, in [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bob McLaren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would any of you know of a simple, command-line based Linux SMTP client that is as easy to use as Mutt for sending mime attachments? I really like the fact that Mutt handles all the mime encoding so I don't have to mess with it. echo Dear Mom - Here is the photo I promised you. \ | mutt -s Photo of Timmy -a little_timmy.jpg [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -D.[EMAIL PROTECTED]NSITUniversity of Chicago
Re: Setting the hostname used in HELO
On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 10:29:48AM -0800, Bob McLaren wrote: So now what I am looking for is a simple SMTP client that is as easy to use as Mutt, or, some alternative means of getting Mutt to talk to my remote smtp server ssmtp, or others Steve -- NetTek Ltd Flat 2, 43 Howitt Road, Belsize Park, London NW3 4LU, UK tel +44-(0)20 7483 1169 fax +44-(0)20 7483 2455 mob 07775 755503 SMS steve-pager (at) gbnetnet [body] gpg 1024D/468952DB 2001-09-19
Re: Setting the hostname used in HELO
But this isn't a problem with the SMTP headers having bad info. This is a problem with the HELO SMTP handshake having bad info. Mutt sends the message to my local sendmail, my local sendmail attempts to send the mail, it connects to the destination mail server and begins the conversation with 'HELO intranet.fssi-ca.com' to identify itself before it begins sending the message. The problem is that many mail servers take that 'HELO' information and test the host name to see if it's a real resolvable internet address. intranet.fssi-ca.com is not a resolvable address because it's internal. If I could get my process to connect to my public SMTP server instead of trying to send it through my local sendmail, that would solve my problem. It was suggested that I look at ssmtp but I don't see much documentation or user following on the web for it, so I'm a little hesitant to use it. Knute wrote: On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Bob McLaren wrote: Please help a mutt newbie out. I have searched through archives and I am still not able to find the answer to this. I am using Mutt inside our network to send emails out to the internet. Because it is an internal PC hidden behind a firewall, it does not have a resolvable hostname. This causes problems because many mail system refuse the email if the hostname used in HELO is not resolvable. What can I do to force the HELO generated by mutt to use my outside SMTP hostname? I ran into this same thing. Here's the line from my .muttrc file: set from=[EMAIL PROTECTED] # From: address (see send-hook my_hdr From) I don't have a my_hdr line but that can easily be set for addresses outside your network. HTH -- Knute You live, You die. Enjoy the interval! -- Clarence Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature
Re: Setting the hostname used in HELO
Bob McLaren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But this isn't a problem with the SMTP headers having bad info. This is a problem with the HELO SMTP handshake having bad info. Mutt sends the message to my local sendmail, my local sendmail attempts to send the mail, it connects to the destination mail server and begins the conversation with 'HELO intranet.fssi-ca.com' to identify itself before it begins sending the message. The problem is that many mail servers take that 'HELO' information and test the host name to see if it's a real resolvable internet address. intranet.fssi-ca.com is not a resolvable address because it's internal. If I could get my process to connect to my public SMTP server instead of trying to send it through my local sendmail, that would solve my problem. No, it would mask your problem (`man band-aid`). The real solution is to configure your MTA to use an acceptable argument to the HELO command, or to tell it to forward your mail to your ISP's smarthost. This is possible with sendmail or any other MTA. Charles -- --- Charles Cazabon [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPL'ed software available at: http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/ ---
Re: Setting the hostname used in HELO
That solved it! I didn't understand the 'SmartHost' concept in sendmail before you mentioned it. I looked it up, configured it, now it works like a charm. Thanks man! Now I can use Mutt to my heart's content. ;) Charles Cazabon wrote: Bob McLaren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But this isn't a problem with the SMTP headers having bad info. This is a problem with the HELO SMTP handshake having bad info. Mutt sends the message to my local sendmail, my local sendmail attempts to send the mail, it connects to the destination mail server and begins the conversation with 'HELO intranet.fssi-ca.com' to identify itself before it begins sending the message. The problem is that many mail servers take that 'HELO' information and test the host name to see if it's a real resolvable internet address. intranet.fssi-ca.com is not a resolvable address because it's internal. If I could get my process to connect to my public SMTP server instead of trying to send it through my local sendmail, that would solve my problem. No, it would mask your problem (`man band-aid`). The real solution is to configure your MTA to use an acceptable argument to the HELO command, or to tell it to forward your mail to your ISP's smarthost. This is possible with sendmail or any other MTA. Charles -- --- Charles Cazabon [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPL'ed software available at: http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/ ---
Re: Setting the hostname used in HELO
On 03-Mar-02 at 00:24, Jonathan Irving's inspired musing was thus : * Simon White [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.02.28 18:02 +]: No, what I was trying to say (perhaps I wasn't clear) is that you cannot get mutt to send mail to your public SMTP server, you have to run an SMTP server on your machine in order to get mutt to send mail. There are several suggestions depending on your setup, see the mutt web pages and the manual, usually in /usr/local/doc/mutt/manual.txt. You actually need a SMTP /client/ with a sendmail commandline interface. Sorry to be a pedant. Never apologise for being picky about things like that. Using the correct language is appropriate in this case. You're right, you just need a lightweight SMTP client, and indeed running an SMTP server (which of course also functions as a client) may be overkill and cause extra unnecessary configuration. I stand corrected. -- |-Simon White |-Internet Services Manager |-MTDS S.A. / \ |-tel +212.3.767.4861# GIMPS current unit progress: 25.47% # |-fax +212.3.767.4863# (http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm) # |-14, rue 16 novembre\ / |-Rabat, Kingdom of Morocco
Re: Setting the hostname used in HELO
* Simon White [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.02.28 18:02 +]: No, what I was trying to say (perhaps I wasn't clear) is that you cannot get mutt to send mail to your public SMTP server, you have to run an SMTP server on your machine in order to get mutt to send mail. There are several suggestions depending on your setup, see the mutt web pages and the manual, usually in /usr/local/doc/mutt/manual.txt. You actually need a SMTP /client/ with a sendmail commandline interface. Sorry to be a pedant. -- http://www.epic.org - Electronic Privacy Information Center msg24929/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Setting the hostname used in HELO
On 27-Feb-02 at 20:46, Knute's inspired musing was thus : On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Bob McLaren wrote: What can I do to force the HELO generated by mutt to use my outside SMTP hostname? Mutt doesn't generate a HELO, it's a MUA not an MTA You are probably running sendmail or something similar locally, and passing on to the SMTP server on your local network What you need to do is to configure your sendmail (or other MTA) on your box to send a faked hostname which is acceptable, or to check with the sysadmin for the mail server with the real hostname/IP on the network and ask if the MTA there can be tweaked for you MUA = Mail User Agent (like Mutt) MTA = Mail Transfer Agent (like Sendmail (ugh!), Postfix, Exim, Qmail) -- |-Simon White |-Internet Services Manager |-MTDS SA |-tel +21237674861 |-fax +21237674863 |-14, rue 16 novembre |-Rabat, Kingdom of Morocco
Re: Setting the hostname used in HELO
Wait a minute, If that's the case, can't I configure Mutt to connect to my public SMTP server to send mail rather than trying to send it from it's own local sendmail program? I don't see any configuration directive in the muttrc to specify an SMTP server to connect to Simon White wrote: On 27-Feb-02 at 20:46, Knute's inspired musing was thus : On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Bob McLaren wrote: What can I do to force the HELO generated by mutt to use my outside SMTP hostname? Mutt doesn't generate a HELO, it's a MUA not an MTA You are probably running sendmail or something similar locally, and passing on to the SMTP server on your local network What you need to do is to configure your sendmail (or other MTA) on your box to send a faked hostname which is acceptable, or to check with the sysadmin for the mail server with the real hostname/IP on the network and ask if the MTA there can be tweaked for you MUA = Mail User Agent (like Mutt) MTA = Mail Transfer Agent (like Sendmail (ugh!), Postfix, Exim, Qmail) -- |-Simon White |-Internet Services Manager |-MTDS SA |-tel +21237674861 |-fax +21237674863 |-14, rue 16 novembre |-Rabat, Kingdom of Morocco
Re: Setting the hostname used in HELO
On 28-Feb-02 at 09:54, Bob McLaren's inspired musing was thus : Wait a minute, If that's the case, can't I configure Mutt to connect to my public SMTP server to send mail rather than trying to send it from it's own local sendmail program? No, what I was trying to say (perhaps I wasn't clear) is that you cannot get mutt to send mail to your public SMTP server, you have to run an SMTP server on your machine in order to get mutt to send mail There are several suggestions depending on your setup, see the mutt web pages and the manual, usually in /usr/local/doc/mutt/manualtxt I don't see any configuration directive in the muttrc to specify an SMTP server to connect to There isn't one -- |-Simon White |-Internet Services Manager |-MTDS SA |-tel +21237674861 |-fax +21237674863 |-14, rue 16 novembre |-Rabat, Kingdom of Morocco
Setting the hostname used in HELO
Please help a mutt newbie out. I have searched through archives and I am still not able to find the answer to this. I am using Mutt inside our network to send emails out to the internet. Because it is an internal PC hidden behind a firewall, it does not have a resolvable hostname. This causes problems because many mail system refuse the email if the hostname used in HELO is not resolvable. What can I do to force the HELO generated by mutt to use my outside SMTP hostname?
Re: Setting the hostname used in HELO
On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Bob McLaren wrote: Please help a mutt newbie out. I have searched through archives and I am still not able to find the answer to this. I am using Mutt inside our network to send emails out to the internet. Because it is an internal PC hidden behind a firewall, it does not have a resolvable hostname. This causes problems because many mail system refuse the email if the hostname used in HELO is not resolvable. What can I do to force the HELO generated by mutt to use my outside SMTP hostname? I ran into this same thing. Here's the line from my .muttrc file: set from=[EMAIL PROTECTED] # From: address (see send-hook my_hdr From) I don't have a my_hdr line but that can easily be set for addresses outside your network. HTH -- Knute You live, You die. Enjoy the interval! -- Clarence msg24841/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
