Re: Should I have all my mailing lists in both 'lists' and 'subscribe'?
On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 03:32:54PM +, Chris Green wrote: I think L[ist reply] depends on there being a List-Id header in the list's messages to work if the list isn't in lists/subscribe. Most of the lists I use do have List-Id headers but not (quite) all. Yes, you're right. The worst offender right now, if I'm not mistaken, is Google. But in those cases I just get an error message from the reply to list key and reply normally. Cheers, -- José María (Chema) Mateos || https://rinzewind.org
Re: Should I have all my mailing lists in both 'lists' and 'subscribe'?
On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 09:30:38AM -0500, José María Mateos wrote: > On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 12:50:55PM +, Chris Green wrote: > > Currently I automatically add all mailing lists I am subscribed to > > into my muttrc file against both 'lists' and 'subscribe', is this > > correct/OK? > > I never added any mailing list I'm subscribed to, and everything works well; > I don't particularly care about the follow-up header, most people's clients > won't know what to do with it anyway. As long as the 'reply-to-list' > function works for me (and it does, see this e-mail as an example), I'm more > than happy. > I think L[ist reply] depends on there being a List-Id header in the list's messages to work if the list isn't in lists/subscribe. Most of the lists I use do have List-Id headers but not (quite) all. -- Chris Green
Re: Should I have all my mailing lists in both 'lists' and 'subscribe'?
On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 01:04:15PM +, ಚಿರಾಗ್ ನಟರಾಜ್ wrote: > 12021/01/05 03:27.03 ನಲ್ಲಿ, Chris Green ಬರೆದರು: >> Currently I automatically add all mailing lists I am subscribed to >> into my muttrc file against both 'lists' and 'subscribe', is this >> correct/OK? >> >> I've never been quite clear why there are two commands. > > [..] More precisely, Mutt maintains lists of patterns for the > addresses of known and subscribed mailing lists. Every subscribed > mailing list is known. To mark a mailing list as known, use the list > command. To mark it as subscribed, use subscribe. (section 3.14) This is really the key point. I.e. Mutt, correctly, makes a distinction between known mailing lists and subscribed ones. So, if you *post* to a mailing list *to which you are not subscribed*: - you should add it to "lists" first, to enable relevant list-related functionality in Mutt such as adding suitable headers. (Which functionality kicks in, in each person's specific case, will depend, as you mentioned, on some of their other Mutt settings.) Alternatively, if you *subscribe* to a mailing list: - add it to "subscribe". This will also enable relevant but slightly different list-related functionality in Mutt. If you previously had that list's address in "lists", you can delete it there, because if it is in "subscribe" then that is sufficient for Mutt to understand that it is a mailing list. > Personally, I just do what you mentioned and haven't had any ill > effects. Once you have entered a subscribed list into "subscribe", entering it into "lists" serves no purpose in the short-term. In the long-term, it has the advantage that if you ever unsubscribe from the list, then you can just remove it from "subscribe" (but not from "lists") and Mutt will still know it is a mailing list. But sure, if you only post to mailing lists to which you subscribe, then there would be no ill-effects (besides perhaps an imperceptible processing delay) to mentioning all the lists both in "lists" and "subscribe". (I belive all the above is accurate. If I am mistaken, somebody please correct me!) Sam -- A: When it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: When is top-posting a bad thing? () ASCII ribbon campaign. Please avoid HTML emails & proprietary /\ file formats. (Why? See e.g. https://v.gd/jrmGbS ). Thank you.
Re: Should I have all my mailing lists in both 'lists' and 'subscribe'?
On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 12:50:55PM +, Chris Green wrote: Currently I automatically add all mailing lists I am subscribed to into my muttrc file against both 'lists' and 'subscribe', is this correct/OK? I never added any mailing list I'm subscribed to, and everything works well; I don't particularly care about the follow-up header, most people's clients won't know what to do with it anyway. As long as the 'reply-to-list' function works for me (and it does, see this e-mail as an example), I'm more than happy. Cheers, -- José María (Chema) Mateos || https://rinzewind.org
Re: Should I have all my mailing lists in both 'lists' and 'subscribe'?
On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 01:04:15PM +, ಚಿರಾಗ್ ನಟರಾಜ್ wrote: > 12021/01/05 03:27.03 ನಲ್ಲಿ, Chris Green ಬರೆದರು: > > > > Currently I automatically add all mailing lists I am subscribed to > > into my muttrc file against both 'lists' and 'subscribe', is this > > correct/OK? > > > > I've never been quite clear why there are two commands. > > > > I have in my muttrc :- > > > > # > > # > > # Mailing lists > > # > > lists `~/.mutt/bin/getLists.py` > > subscribe `~/.mutt/bin/getLists.py` > > > > The getLists.py script just extracts all the mailing list addresses > > from my filter file (that also drives my mail filter program) and > > outputs them space separated on one line. > > > > If having list addresses in both is redundant that's not an issue, I > > was just wondering if it might be doing any harm. > > > > -- > > Chris Green > > From the documentation: Once you have done this, the function > will work for all known lists. Additionally, when you send a message to > a known list and $followup_to is set, Mutt will add a Mail-Followup-To > header. For unsubscribed lists, this will include your personal address, > ensuring you receive a copy of replies. For subscribed mailing lists, the > header will not, telling other users' mail user agents not to send copies > of replies to your personal address. More precisely, Mutt maintains lists > of patterns for the addresses of known and subscribed mailing lists. Every > subscribed mailing list is known. To mark a mailing list as known, use > the list command. To mark it as subscribed, use subscribe. (section 3.14) > Yes, I've read that several times over the years and I'm really none the wiser! :-) > > Personally, I just do what you mentioned and haven't had any ill effects. > I suspect that's what lots of people do! A couple of examples of what will happen in various cases would be really handy. ... and anyway are there *any* lists now that allow posts to unsubscribed lists? -- Chris Green
Re: Should I have all my mailing lists in both 'lists' and 'subscribe'?
12021/01/05 03:27.03 ನಲ್ಲಿ, Chris Green ಬರೆದರು: > > Currently I automatically add all mailing lists I am subscribed to > into my muttrc file against both 'lists' and 'subscribe', is this > correct/OK? > > I've never been quite clear why there are two commands. > > I have in my muttrc :- > > # > # > # Mailing lists > # > lists `~/.mutt/bin/getLists.py` > subscribe `~/.mutt/bin/getLists.py` > > The getLists.py script just extracts all the mailing list addresses > from my filter file (that also drives my mail filter program) and > outputs them space separated on one line. > > If having list addresses in both is redundant that's not an issue, I > was just wondering if it might be doing any harm. > > -- > Chris Green From the documentation: Once you have done this, the function will work for all known lists. Additionally, when you send a message to a known list and $followup_to is set, Mutt will add a Mail-Followup-To header. For unsubscribed lists, this will include your personal address, ensuring you receive a copy of replies. For subscribed mailing lists, the header will not, telling other users' mail user agents not to send copies of replies to your personal address. More precisely, Mutt maintains lists of patterns for the addresses of known and subscribed mailing lists. Every subscribed mailing list is known. To mark a mailing list as known, use the list command. To mark it as subscribed, use subscribe. (section 3.14) Personally, I just do what you mentioned and haven't had any ill effects. Sincerely, Chiraag -- ಚಿರಾಗ್ ನಟರಾಜ್ Pronouns: he/him/his publickey - mailinglist@chiraag.me - b0c8d720.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Should I have all my mailing lists in both 'lists' and 'subscribe'?
Currently I automatically add all mailing lists I am subscribed to into my muttrc file against both 'lists' and 'subscribe', is this correct/OK? I've never been quite clear why there are two commands. I have in my muttrc :- # # # Mailing lists # lists `~/.mutt/bin/getLists.py` subscribe `~/.mutt/bin/getLists.py` The getLists.py script just extracts all the mailing list addresses from my filter file (that also drives my mail filter program) and outputs them space separated on one line. If having list addresses in both is redundant that's not an issue, I was just wondering if it might be doing any harm. -- Chris Green
