Re: mutt w/pgp5i
On Wed, Jul 14, 1999 at 09:28:42PM +0200, Christian Stigen Larsen wrote: P.S. What's the deal with version 2.6.3i of PGP ? Why are a lot of people using this version instead of the 5 and 5.5 versions ? Because pgp 2.6.3 is faster, smaller and easier to use (imho of course ;). -Lex PGP signature
Another PGP question
I have PGP set up with mutt, but get the following output whenever a PGP signed message is encountered in this list: [---...PGP preamble Signature by unknown keyid: 0x.a hex number This signature applies to another message. Opening file "/dev/null" type text. [---...PGP postamble These lines are followed by a signed message. Am I getting this output because I do not have the appropriate key on my public key ring, or is there something else going on here? Cheers... -- Alex Lane mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Seabrook, Texas, USA http://www.galexi.com/alex/ TIARA Is A Recursive Acronym! PGP signature
Re: filtering and pgp parsing
Jeremy Blosser [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: Rob Reid [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: At 10:07 AM EDT on July 15 Adam J Henry sent off: 1. Can I configure Mutt to filter my mail upon opening a mailbox? Do you mean scoring? Yes. If you mean limiting the view like with limit, I suppose you could make a macro to change to the mailbox and execute the limit command. He probably wants something like procmail, though "upon opening a mailbox" is a bit different. I already have procmail set up and working fine. The problem comes with the way it handles the Maildir blend of mail storing methods. The files that procmail stores have a different filename syntax than the files that qmail uses. The program that I cannot get working because of this is WMMail.app, a WM app icon that tells you if you have mail or not. WMMail.app supports the Maildir format, but will only check mail if it has not been processed by procmail. 2. How can I use Mutt's PGP integration on a message that contains a PGP header, that doesn't follow Mutt's attachment convention? Friends who use other readers sometimes like to put the message in the body of the mail instead of putting it in MIME attachments. I hope this is in a FAQ, but here goes: It's in the FAQ and the PGP-Notes.txt file that's part of every distribution. I apologize for asking a question to this list that is answered with such good documentation. Thanks for your responses. -- [-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- adam j henry =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=] | [http: www.heidelberg.edu/~ahenry] [pgp: 0x92B1EDF5] | | [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] [icq: 5794025] | [-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=] PGP signature
Re: Another PGP question
Alex Lane [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: I have PGP set up with mutt, but get the following output whenever a PGP signed message is encountered in this list: [---...PGP preamble Signature by unknown keyid: 0x.a hex number This signature applies to another message. Opening file "/dev/null" type text. [---...PGP postamble These lines are followed by a signed message. Am I getting this output because I do not have the appropriate key on my public key ring, or is there something else going on here? I would expect that this is natural. If you were to find the public key of a person who's key you would like to confirm, and add it to your ring then PGP would report whether the signature was good or not. -hank -- [-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- adam j henry =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=] | [http: www.heidelberg.edu/~ahenry] [pgp: 0x92B1EDF5] | | [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] [icq: 5794025] | [-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=] PGP signature
Re: Mailbox view not always indicating new messages
Thus wrote Chris Gushue ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [99.07.13 20:39]: Is there some setting that I am missing for Mutt not to display that there are new messages when I am in mailbox view, but there are messages INSIDE that mailbox with the new flag? To follow up with some extra information, if I receive new mail in a folder, in the Mailbox view the N flag is shown. When I open the folder, but don't read the new email, and then go back out of the folder, the N flag is gone from the Mailbox view. Any ideas? -- Chris Gushue [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ:409207 http://home.thezone.net/~seymour/index.php3
Re: Another PGP question
Recently, Adam J Henry ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Alex Lane [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: I have PGP set up with mutt, but get the following output whenever a PGP signed message is encountered in this list: [---...PGP preamble Signature by unknown keyid: 0x.a hex number This signature applies to another message. Opening file "/dev/null" type text. [---...PGP postamble Am I getting this output because I do not have the appropriate key on my public key ring, or is there something else going on here? I would expect that this is natural. If you were to find the public key of a person who's key you would like to confirm, and add it to your ring then PGP would report whether the signature was good or not. Actually, it struck me as I sent that post that by signing it myself I would/could see what would happen if a message were encountered from someone whose public key I *do* have grin. The output in the first line changes appropriately; the last two lines remain, telling me that the signature applies to "another message" and that something (what?) is apparently being sent to /dev/null. Is there a keyring somewhere of public keys of list members? Cheers... -- Alex Lane mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Seabrook, Texas, USA http://www.galexi.com/alex/ TIARA Is A Recursive Acronym! PGP signature
Re: Mailbox view not always indicating new messages
Chris -- ...and then Chris Gushue said... % Thus wrote Chris Gushue ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [99.07.13 20:39]: % are new messages when I am in mailbox view, but there are messages INSIDE % that mailbox with the new flag? % % To follow up with some extra information, if I receive new mail in a % folder, in the Mailbox view the N flag is shown. When I open the folder, % but don't read the new email, and then go back out of the folder, the N % flag is gone from the Mailbox view. Any ideas? How are you exiting the folder? If you quit, or change without first specifying that the folder should not be written (bound to % by default), instead of exit, then the new messages are all marked old and, technically, there *isn't* any new mail therein. Go back into one of these folders and see if you have new mail or if all unread messages are marked "O" for old-but-unread. % % -- % Chris Gushue [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ:409207 % http://home.thezone.net/~seymour/index.php3 :-D -- David Thorburn-Gundlach * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Helping out at Pfizer http://www.bigfoot.com/~davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! "Why2k? Well, I didn't think at the time that I could charge any more!" Note: If bigfoot.com gives you fits, try sector13.org in its place. *sigh* PGP signature
! shortcut for fcc in compose menu
Hi, folks -- If I compose a reply to someone and mutt automatically picks =someone for the Fcc: value, and I want to change the folder to ! (my inbox, /var/spool/mail/davidtg), it seems that I cannot use my mailbox shortcut (it just stays "!" after I hit return). Since I can specify mail files with the "=" prefix, it makes sense that I should be able to use the other mailbox shortcuts (!-^), no? :-D -- David Thorburn-Gundlach * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Helping out at Pfizer http://www.bigfoot.com/~davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! "Why2k? Well, I didn't think at the time that I could charge any more!" Note: If bigfoot.com gives you fits, try sector13.org in its place. *sigh* PGP signature
Re: Email client poll
On Fri, Jul 16, 1999 at 12:37:13PM +0200, Alexander Langer wrote: Thus spake Mark Mielke ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Also many of them wouldn't know how to use a non "impressing" view of their mailbox. It's so much cooler to have messages fade and titles Standard-Mutt is b/w for me without my config files. Maybe in a further version themes could be added. That would make it a mutt-newbie easy to make it well-looking and have nice key-bindings. Maybe also a folder-configure-program, that lets you add folders by a GUI. snip You can use a *term to do this. Eterm, for one, supports themes and works with Mutt. As a matter fact, one of themes in the package is one for mutt, but pretty easy to create your own. -- Hal B [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Linux helps those who help themselves
Re: Email client poll
* Jeremy Blosser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It isn't at all. Mostly we were talking about people using other mailers (like Pine) not because they liked the features the most but out of inertia. As I said, *if we care*, there are things we could try to do about this. If we don't care, we ignore it. It is possible that some people actually like Pine better than Mutt, as absurd as that seems to us ;) If they really don't like it, they'll find something else (like I did).
Re: Email client poll
* David Thorburn-Gundlach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: % Why is it so important that Mutt be #1 on a Slashdot poll? % Just curious. BECAUSE MUTT RULZ, d00d!!! Then it should promote itself, G.
Re: Email client poll
* Tom Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So we can win 'mindshare', and mutt will continue to work as the 'net evolves. See http://www.cryptonomicon.com/beginning.html. I think we're not giving people enough credit. Just because they use some other mailer we think it's because they're forced to or don't know any better. It is possible that they actually like it better than Mutt.. not everyone has the same noodle in their gord. FYI, Linus Torvalds himself uses Pine. So it's not just newbies or morons.
Re: Email client poll
On Fri, Jul 16, 1999 at 10:46:09AM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So we can win 'mindshare', and mutt will continue to work as the 'net evolves. See http://www.cryptonomicon.com/beginning.html. I think we're not giving people enough credit. Just because they use some other mailer we think it's because they're forced to or don't know any better. It is possible that they actually like it better than Mutt.. not everyone has the same noodle in their gord. FYI, Linus Torvalds himself uses Pine. So it's not just newbies or morons. I referred to "In the Beginning was the Command Line" for it's description of 'mindshare' - not to belittle anyone. If there aren't enough mutt users, mutt will not be kept up to date, and as new mail protocols etc. are created, mutt will eventually stop working. This, to me, is the main reason we need to keep a good base of users. I also think we could expand this base a lot if pre-compiled DOS and/or W32 binaries were easily available.
Re: OT: linux 6? (was Re: mime-weirdness)
On 07/16/1999 11:38 -0500, Ronny Haryanto wrote: On 16-Jul-1999, Tim Walberg wrote: I have a Linux 6.0 box ... Really? I thought the latest devel version of Linux was 2.3.x. Please note that distro version != Linux version. Sorry off topic, I had to say it.. my bad... RedHat 6.0... Linux 2.2.5 -- +--+--+ | Tim Walberg | Phone: 847-782-2472 | | TERAbridge Technologies Corp | FAX: 847-623-1717 | | 1375 Tri-State Parkway | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Gurnee, IL 60031 | 800-SKY-TEL2 PIN 9353299 | +--+--+ PGP signature
Re: Mailbox view not always indicating new messages
Thus wrote David Thorburn-Gundlach ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [99.07.16 15:16]: Chris -- ...and then Chris Gushue said... % Thus wrote Chris Gushue ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [99.07.13 20:39]: % are new messages when I am in mailbox view, but there are messages INSIDE % that mailbox with the new flag? % % To follow up with some extra information, if I receive new mail in a % folder, in the Mailbox view the N flag is shown. When I open the folder, % but don't read the new email, and then go back out of the folder, the N % flag is gone from the Mailbox view. Any ideas? How are you exiting the folder? If you quit, or change without first specifying that the folder should not be written (bound to % by default), instead of exit, then the new messages are all marked old and, technically, there *isn't* any new mail therein. I exit the folder using this macro: macro index l "g?\t" (I also have the same macro for the pager) Go back into one of these folders and see if you have new mail or if all unread messages are marked "O" for old-but-unread. When I go back into the folder, the messages I haven't read are still marked "N" (I had "set nomark_old" - commenting this out marked the old-but-unread messages as "O", but with the same behaviour otherwise). Perhaps something that would be useful (if it isn't already there) is to have another flag in the Mailbox view to show there are old-but-unread messages in a folder, instead of just new ones? -- Chris Gushue [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ:409207 http://home.thezone.net/~seymour/index.php3
new mail notify for certain folders
i've looks through some of the docs for mutt and i haven't found this, so i hope i'm not repeating anything, though i probably am. i use procmail to pre-sort all my incoming email. i also have beep_new set. from what i understand, when this is set, mutt will beep whenever a new message comes in to any new folder. this works fine. what i want to do is have mutt only beep when new messages arrive in certain folders. for example, i'm on the linux kernel mailing list -- i don't want to be notified every ten seconds when i get a new message in my lk folder, however, i do want to know when i get a new message in my default inbox. how do i specify what folders i do or don't want a beep for? can i even do this? i tried folder-hook a little while ago and that didn't work (i forgot why/how it didn't work though =[ ). of course, it's completely possible that i wasn't using it correctly was i looking in the right place with folder_hook? if someone would point me in the right direction, i'd be quite happy. =8] thanks, pete -- Pete Toscano h:[EMAIL PROTECTED] w:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG fingerprint: AE5C 18E4 D069 76D3 9B9C D226 D86A 522F 446C 767A PGP signature
Re: Email client poll
Tom Hall [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: On Fri, Jul 16, 1999 at 10:46:09AM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This, to me, is the main reason we need to keep a good base of users. I also think we could expand this base a lot if pre-compiled DOS and/or W32 binaries were easily available. I kind of ignored this the first time around, but this time I have to comment. Why in the world would it be beneficial to have pre-compiled DOS and/or W32 binaries available? This smells more like digging for trouble to me. We already have the same questions asked and answered on a daily basis on here. I can't tell you how many times I've seen someone ask how you set a different from address depending on the mailbox or who sent it to you. If keeping a good base of users so development continues is our goal, then Win users are not the ones we want. If mutt was developed commercially that would be a case you could make, because they might drop the product simply based on the number of people using it. But in an open project like mutt the way it keeps going is people contributing to it. Not whining about it because it doesn't have a pretty window with a progress bar everytime you do anything with it. Or because they have to work with a config file instead of clicking an options button. Having a port to those platforms isn't a problem, because they still have to compile the thing to make it work, which requires at least a measure of brainwave activity. Make it available precompiled, esp in a self-installing package, and this list will go down the tubes. No thank you. Let the windows l^Husers keep using their Outlook Express or Eudora garbage, or else switch to linux. Just my $.02 PGP signature
Re: mime-weirdness
On Fri, Jul 16, 1999 at 10:10:36AM -0500, Tim Walberg wrote: [No MIME encapsulation through gateway to work] Is this possibly something that Mutt is doing (i.e. a relatively new feature that I haven't yet seen the documentation on), or is it more likely something our (yuck!) Exchange gateway is doing? I would assume that the gateway is removing the headers and/or pieces it doesn't understand... there are a few products on the market that will do this if you configure them as-such, though my tendancy is to stay as far away from MS products as I can (not-withstanding the one "gaming" machine I have at home for things like Diablo, etc...) -- Russell M. Van Tassell [EMAIL PROTECTED] "That married couples can live together day after day is a miracle that the Vatican has overlooked. -- Bill Cosby PGP signature
Re: Mailbox view not always indicating new messages
Regarding marking viewed folders with yet-unread messages... I used to use "xbuffy" for this very purpose. It would scan my folders and give me a view of what folders needed to be examined for new mail. I wouldn't even have to be running Mutt to see what mail was waiting, and I could use xbuffy to launch Mutt on the particular folder. Nice. Now that my company has forced me to IMAP, I no longer have a good solution for this. My attempts to build "gbuffy" have utterly failed, alas.. :( -- David DeSimone | "The doctrine of human equality reposes on this: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | that there is no man really clever who has not Hewlett-Packard | found that he is stupid." -- Gilbert K. Chesterson Convex Division |PGP: 5B 47 34 9F 3B 9A B0 0D AB A6 15 F1 BB BE 8C 44
Re: Another PGP question
Alex Lane [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: The output in the first line changes appropriately; the last two lines remain, telling me that the signature applies to "another message" and that something (what?) is apparently being sent to /dev/null. Those messages are due to the fact that Mutt uses PGP/MIME, so the message and signature are separate MIME parts, ie the signature is detached from the message. Is there a keyring somewhere of public keys of list members? There used to be one listed on the web page, but the link was dead so I removed it. If anyone knows where it got to I can put it up again. -- Jeremy Blosser | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://jblosser.firinn.org/ -+-+-- "Would you fight to the death, for that which you love? In a cause surely hopeless ...for that which you love?" -- D. McKiernan, _Dragondoom_ PGP signature
Re: Email client poll
On Fri, Jul 16, 1999 at 12:03:57PM -0600, Tom Hall wrote: If there aren't enough mutt users, mutt will not be kept up to date, and as new mail protocols etc. are created, mutt will eventually stop working. This, to me, is the main reason we need to keep a good base of users. I also think we could expand this base a lot if pre-compiled DOS and/or W32 binaries were easily available. Yarn users would be good candidates to use Mutt if DOS/W32 binaries were available. -rex
Re: Email client poll
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: * Jeremy Blosser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It isn't at all. Mostly we were talking about people using other mailers (like Pine) not because they liked the features the most but out of inertia. As I said, *if we care*, there are things we could try to do about this. If we don't care, we ignore it. It is possible that some people actually like Pine better than Mutt, as absurd as that seems to us ;) If they really don't like it, they'll find something else (like I did). Yes, it's possible: my point was that the "good things" about Pine people were mentioning were things Mutt does quite well as well. And if "easy telnet/ssh access on modem lines" is their main issue (it's the one the were mentioning the most) then Mutt could easily be better for them since it's less bloated and faster. But yeah, people that really care and want something better will go looking. -- Jeremy Blosser | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://jblosser.firinn.org/ -+-+-- "Would you fight to the death, for that which you love? In a cause surely hopeless ...for that which you love?" -- D. McKiernan, _Dragondoom_ PGP signature
Re: Another PGP question
Hi Jeremy! On Fri, 16 Jul 1999, Jeremy Blosser wrote: Alex Lane [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: The output in the first line changes appropriately; the last two lines remain, telling me that the signature applies to "another message" and that something (what?) is apparently being sent to /dev/null. Those messages are due to the fact that Mutt uses PGP/MIME, so the message and signature are separate MIME parts, ie the signature is detached from the message. OK! Is there a keyring somewhere of public keys of list members? There used to be one listed on the web page, but the link was dead so I removed it. If anyone knows where it got to I can put it up again. AFAIK there is a keybinding in mutt that allows to extract a PGP public key. In my help-menu for the index there is a line ^K extract-keys extract PGP public keys Unfortunately if I use the required keys (ctrl + K) this keybinding wont add the requested PGP-public-key to my ~/.pgp/pubring.pgp file. For Example the Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailed by Russell Van Tassell [EMAIL PROTECTED] about the subject: Re: mime-weirdness. Russell used the PGP-Version: 2.6.2. Here I'm using the PGP-Version 2.6.3i. In the mutt-pager is documented above the mail-body: --- cut here - [-- PGP output follows (current time: Sat Jul 17 01:33:14 1999) --] Key matching expected Key ID CC8F2E11 not found in file '/home/wieneman/.pgp/pubring.pgp'. WARNING: Can't find the right public key-- can't check signature integrity. [-- End of PGP output --] --- cut here - If I use the above keys to extract the needed PGP-public-key it looks like the following: --- cut here - Pretty Good Privacy(tm) 2.6.3i - Public-key encryption for the masses. (c) 1990-96 Philip Zimmermann, Phil's Pretty Good Software. 1996-01-18 International version - not for use in the USA. Does not use RSAREF. Current time: 1999/07/16 23:35 GMT No keys found in '/tmp/mutt-kalwien-3565-4'. Keyring add error. ^^ Press any key to continue... --- cut here - What's going wrong here? Any hints out there? bye - Wilhelm -- Wilhelm Wienemann, Amselweg 10, D-47546 Kalkar/Germany == E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] === "And since you are the future keepers of everything, including music, we hope you will keep it well, with love, and in joy." (Frederick Fennell) PGP signature
Re: Another PGP question
Wilhelm Wienemann [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: AFAIK there is a keybinding in mutt that allows to extract a PGP public key. In my help-menu for the index there is a line ^K extract-keys extract PGP public keys Unfortunately if I use the required keys (ctrl + K) this keybinding wont add the requested PGP-public-key to my ~/.pgp/pubring.pgp file. ... No keys found in '/tmp/mutt-kalwien-3565-4'. Keyring add error. extract-keys only works if the message actually contains the key itself, like if someone mails you their key so you can add it. In the case you're talking about, the message came with a PGP /signature/, not a /key/. The key would be available elsewhere, presumably from a key server or the user's web page or the user directly. Everyone makes their keys available different ways. -- Jeremy Blosser | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://jblosser.firinn.org/ -+-+-- "Would you fight to the death, for that which you love? In a cause surely hopeless ...for that which you love?" -- D. McKiernan, _Dragondoom_ PGP signature
Re: Mailbox view not always indicating new messages
Thus wrote David DeSimone ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [99.07.17 02:30]: Regarding marking viewed folders with yet-unread messages... I used to use "xbuffy" for this very purpose. It would scan my folders and give me a view of what folders needed to be examined for new mail. I wouldn't even have to be running Mutt to see what mail was waiting, and I could use xbuffy to launch Mutt on the particular folder. Nice. xbuffy isn't *quite* what I'm looking for, but it might come in handy. I guess I'm just used to Window Maker dock apps :) I'll have to browse though the Freshmeat appindex again... Now that my company has forced me to IMAP, I no longer have a good solution for this. My attempts to build "gbuffy" have utterly failed, alas.. :( It built fine for me, but seems to be a bit more of a pain than xbuffy is. -- Chris Gushue [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ:409207 http://home.thezone.net/~seymour/index.php3 PGP signature
