Re: [MLO] Suggestion: Flags should have the ability to have open/closed hours.

[Dwight]

John, there are currently three types of schedules, those with some hours 
defined as open and some hours defined as closed, those that are always 
open, and those that are always closed. Each of these has a meaning and a 
use. The behaviour you are seeking tracks exactly with "always closed" 
contexts except for your first point. If a task has multiple contexts with 
"always closed" schedules and one context (or potentially, flag) with a 
defined schedule, the schedule will prevail as in your scenarios b and c. 
If a task has multiple always-closed contexts and also multiple scheduled 
contexts (or a flag) then the task will be active any time that  at least 
one of the scheduled contexts is open.The only issue is with the first 
scenario - if you have a task with multiple contexts, all always-closed, 
the task will always be closed where you want it to be always open.

So what you are looking for is a fourth type of schedule setting in 
addition to scheduled, always-closed or always-open which would be always 
open if every context/tag on this task is this same type, otherwise always 
closed. This would be valuable because it would allow combining contexts in 
ways not currently possible. For example, if a task has context "phone" 
which can be done anytime, but this particular task must be done in the 
evening, you cannot combine "phone" and "evening" to get the right result - 
this new type would allow combining, for that reason I would call it 
"combinable" - I hope there is a better name because I can only imagine how 
difficult it would be to explain to a newbie when to use combinable 
schedule versus always open or always closed.

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Re: [MLO] Suggestion: Flags should have the ability to have open/closed hours.

[Nick Clark]

At present contexts that don't have times set are always "open", hence if a 
task has any of these contexts then all other contexts or flags with times will 
have no effect. For your task to only be active in the evening, it should only 
have one context/flag set with the rest of the time closed. You can currently 
achieve that with a context, and the flags can be used to categorise your task.

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Re: [MLO] Suggestion: Flags should have the ability to have open/closed hours.

[John . Smith]

Nick I don't understand your point. The suggestion here is that 
conceptually the task "always tries to be open". 

To get clear this would mean:

a) If neither the Flags nor any of the contexts have opening times set ==> 
open

b) If just the Flag has an opening time set ==> that opening time works.

c) If just one Context has an opening time set ==> that opening time works.

So far so good, but what about clashes?

d) If two Contexts have conflicting opening times set ==> then whenever 
either opening time say open now, then then the task is open.

e) If the Flag has an opening times set that conflicts with any of the 
Contexts ==> then whenever any of the opening times say "open now", then 
then the task is open.

In this way Contexts and Flags that have no opening hours set have no 
effect. So in short user needs to be careful with their opening hours.

My core point is that I see no good reason why Flag shouldn't have the 
ability to have opening hours. And for simplicity I see no reason why a 
Flag's opening hours should over-ride that of a Context in any way that is 
different from how Contexts interact with each other. However I don't feel 
strongly about his and there may of course be very good reasons, in which 
case let's hear them - ideally with some examples.   :)

J




On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 11:21:18 PM UTC, Nick Clark wrote:
>
> Not sure how that solves your problem, as the hide a task until the 
> evening every context and flag assigned to it would have to only be open in 
> the evening.

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Re: [MLO] Suggestion: Flags should have the ability to have open/closed hours.

[Nick Clark]

Not sure how that solves your problem, as the hide a task until the evening 
every context and flag assigned to it would have to only be open in the evening.

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Re: [MLO] Suggestion: Flags should have the ability to have open/closed hours.

[John . Smith]

Yes, good question. Thank you, Dwight.

[As ever Dwight can be relied upon to ask the key question!   :) ]

I suggest the Flag is treated much like just another of the multiple 
contexts. i.e. If any of the contexts or the flag has opening hours set up, 
then if any of said opening hours are currently of "open" value, then the 
task should appear. 

J


On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 11:44:15 PM UTC, Dwight wrote:
>
> If a task has multiple contexts and the contexts do not have the same 
> schedule, the task is active any time that at least one of its contexts 
> is open. If the task had a flag with its own, different schedule how 
> would it be resolved? 
>
> -Dwight 
>
> On 3/2/2017 6:20 PM, John . Smith wrote: 
> > 
> > Hello 
> > 
> > I would like to suggest that Flags should have the ability to have 
> > open/closed hours, in the same way that Contexts already do. 
> > 
> > The reason I want this is because I like to have just once Context in my 
> > Context field and I don't want to clutter up my Context field with 
> > anything other than actual (real world) contexts, otherwise things 
> > become hard to see what's going on and manage. 
> > 
> > The point is that most my Contexts happen in my Evenings and Weekends as 
> > happen during the working day and the flag of Evening or not is a 
> > different type of data. 
> > 
> > Any takers? 
> > 
> > J 
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Re: [MLO] Suggestion: Flags should have the ability to have open/closed hours.

[Dwight]

If a task has multiple contexts and the contexts do not have the same 
schedule, the task is active any time that at least one of its contexts 
is open. If the task had a flag with its own, different schedule how 
would it be resolved?


-Dwight

On 3/2/2017 6:20 PM, John . Smith wrote:


Hello

I would like to suggest that Flags should have the ability to have
open/closed hours, in the same way that Contexts already do.

The reason I want this is because I like to have just once Context in my
Context field and I don't want to clutter up my Context field with
anything other than actual (real world) contexts, otherwise things
become hard to see what's going on and manage.

The point is that most my Contexts happen in my Evenings and Weekends as
happen during the working day and the flag of Evening or not is a
different type of data.

Any takers?

J

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