Re: forum vs email [was: Re: table-for-column]

2014-12-10 Thread Johan De Meersman


- Original Message -
 From: Jigal van Hemert ji...@xs4all.nl
 Subject: Re: forum vs email [was: Re: table-for-column]
 
 On typo3.org there used to be mailing lists only in a distant past.
 Later on newsgroups were set up which communicate with the mailing lists
 (newsgroups are the central source of messages).
 Rather recently a forum was built on top of the newsgroup data (FUD
 forum was used). Users on all three message sources can easily
 communicate with eachother.

Hmm. That sounds interesting, I'll have a look. I don't suppose the software is 
available under a foss license? :-p


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Re: forum vs email [was: Re: table-for-column]

2014-12-10 Thread Johan De Meersman
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 From: Johan De Meersman vegiv...@tuxera.be
 Sent: Wednesday, 10 December, 2014 09:02:45
 Subject: Re: forum vs email [was: Re: table-for-column]

 Hmm. That sounds interesting, I'll have a look. I don't suppose the software 
 is
 available under a foss license? :-p

Hm. Typo3 is a CMS; I take it the integration you're speaking of is specific to 
their support environment, and not part of the CMS?


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Re: forum vs email [was: Re: table-for-column]

2014-12-10 Thread Jigal van Hemert

Hi,

On 10/12/2014 09:02, Johan De Meersman wrote:

- Original Message -

From: Jigal van Hemert ji...@xs4all.nl
Subject: Re: forum vs email [was: Re: table-for-column]

On typo3.org there used to be mailing lists only in a distant past.
Later on newsgroups were set up which communicate with the mailing lists
(newsgroups are the central source of messages).
Rather recently a forum was built on top of the newsgroup data (FUD
forum was used). Users on all three message sources can easily
communicate with eachother.

Hmm. That sounds interesting, I'll have a look. I don't suppose the software is 
available under a foss license? :-p


Mailing lists [1] themselves use Mailman [2] (GPL), forum [3] is done 
with FUD forum [4] (FOSS GPL2), for integration between mailing lists 
and newsgroups, please contact the TYPO3 server admin team [5]. I'm sure 
they will tell you all you want to know about this setup.


[1] http://lists.typo3.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo
[2] http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/
[3] http://forum.typo3.org/
[4] http://cvs.prohost.org/index.php
[5] http://typo3.org/teams/server-team/

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Re: forum vs email [was: Re: table-for-column]

2014-12-10 Thread Jigal van Hemert

Hi,

On 10/12/2014 10:09, Johan De Meersman wrote:
Hm. Typo3 is a CMS; I take it the integration you're speaking of is 
specific to their support environment, and not part of the CMS? 


Correct, TYPO3 is a CMS (also FOSS GPL2+) and the integration is indeed 
not part of the CMS. See my other reply for details on the software that 
was used.


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Re: forum vs email [was: Re: table-for-column]

2014-12-06 Thread Johan De Meersman
- Original Message -
 From: Jan Steinman j...@ecoreality.org
 Subject: Re: forum vs email [was: Re: table-for-column]

 There actually seem to be a lot of these around. I'm on several that send me
 email when there are new forum postings.

Yes, that bit is pretty standard functionality; but usually they're little more 
than a notification that something was posted, maybe the first few lines of a 
post.

I want:
 * The entire post, and as little notification-type content as possible,
 * headers and subjects so that mail clients that support threading will thread 
everything from a single forum topic in a mail thread and vice versa,
 * and, most importantly, the ability to also *reply* through mail and have it 
appear in the forum thread at the appropriate place in the conversation

Those things are what would make it a proper mailing list integration, instead 
of just another notification tool.


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Re: forum vs email [was: Re: table-for-column]

2014-12-06 Thread Jigal van Hemert

Hi,
On 05/12/2014 20:54, Jan Steinman wrote:

From: Johan De Meersman vegiv...@tuxera.be

I've long wanted to - but never quite got around to - write a forum that 
integrated a mailing list. Bar mail clients that don't handle list threads 
well, it really doesn't seem such a difficult task.

There actually seem to be a lot of these around. I'm on several that send me 
email when there are new forum postings.


On typo3.org there used to be mailing lists only in a distant past. 
Later on newsgroups were set up which communicate with the mailing lists 
(newsgroups are the central source of messages).
Rather recently a forum was built on top of the newsgroup data (FUD 
forum was used). Users on all three message sources can easily 
communicate with eachother.
Only some mail clients have difficulty keeping the threading headers in 
tact, but other than that there are no real issues.


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Re: forum vs email [was: Re: table-for-column]

2014-12-06 Thread Michael Dykman
I have been a resident of this list for a very long time. In the early
days, this was the only place to get reliable information about what was
then a relatively obscure database system. Now, local and online bookstores
have shelves full of books, many of them authored by list regulars. We have
expert forums which have become more more mature and tens of thousands of
example projects readily accessible on github and Google code. And,  lest
we forget, as the product and the documentation matured,  fewer desperate
situations arose. The list of not such a critical last resort as it once
was.

It's true that the list lost a lot of steam after the Oracle acquisition
and Monty's rants had a polarizing effect. Since then, it has been low
traffic with few threads of much interest.

In spite of the rapid rise of NoSql, managed instances of MySQL on a cloud
have become a major commodity. The relational model is not dead and
reliable implementations will always be in demand.

On Sat, 6 Dec 2014 15:53 Jigal van Hemert ji...@xs4all.nl wrote:

 Hi,
 On 05/12/2014 20:54, Jan Steinman wrote:
  From: Johan De Meersman vegiv...@tuxera.be
 
  I've long wanted to - but never quite got around to - write a forum
 that integrated a mailing list. Bar mail clients that don't handle list
 threads well, it really doesn't seem such a difficult task.
  There actually seem to be a lot of these around. I'm on several that
 send me email when there are new forum postings.

 On typo3.org there used to be mailing lists only in a distant past.
 Later on newsgroups were set up which communicate with the mailing lists
 (newsgroups are the central source of messages).
 Rather recently a forum was built on top of the newsgroup data (FUD
 forum was used). Users on all three message sources can easily
 communicate with eachother.
 Only some mail clients have difficulty keeping the threading headers in
 tact, but other than that there are no real issues.

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Re: forum vs email [was: Re: table-for-column]

2014-12-05 Thread Jan Steinman
 From: Johan De Meersman vegiv...@tuxera.be
 
 I've long wanted to - but never quite got around to - write a forum that 
 integrated a mailing list. Bar mail clients that don't handle list threads 
 well, it really doesn't seem such a difficult task.

There actually seem to be a lot of these around. I'm on several that send me 
email when there are new forum postings.

Here is one:
http://www.mobileread.com

Based on hints in the html comments, they appear to be using VBulletin 
(http://www.vbulletin.com/) a fairly common forum package.

 Jan Steinman, EcoReality Co-op 


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Re: forum vs email [was: Re: table-for-column]

2014-12-05 Thread hsv
 2014/12/04 22:56 -0500, shawn l.green 
I guess this email-based peer-to-peer exchange is slowly disappearing into the 
background like the old usenet newsgroups, eh? 

And _I_ like using an off-line e-mail client, and not being bothered by going 
through a webbrowser--but I suspect that others prefer not to have an e-mail 
client, and prefer to have the freedom to use small, sophisticated gadgets 
instead of bigger gadgets that sit on the table, or take most of a lap.


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