Re: [mythtv-users] Development update
On Friday 28 October 2005 16:09, Jesse Guardiani wrote: Steve Adeff wrote: Is it still basically the same though? I've been reading bits and pieces about a new frontend daemon/frontend client architecture and other things like OpenGL UI rendering that seem to change Myth's core. Are these changes in the next gen, or the next next gen? From the Trac tickets, it looks like the new and improved GUI has been put back to 0.20. This is a shame, as I have a friend who keeps banging on about how slick Apples Frontend interface is. (Yes I know it's apples and oranges, but it'd be nice for MythTV to be /that/ slick.) Mind, the same friend was around last night, and he was impressed with the MythTV interface, but the speed and functionality more than the visual impression, I think. -- Steve Boddy ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Development update
On Thursday 27 October 2005 14:33, Bryan Halter wrote: Can someone give this list a quick update of new/improved features under development and an idea of how far out .19 is? I love MythTV and would love to see it continue to grow, that's why I'm curious about this next release. Also some idea of what LxM is up to would be nice too :) First rule of MythTV-dev is don't ask about MythTV-dev! But seriously... it will be released when its ready. If your anxious, build from SVN. Its relatively stable considering how many changes go into it. If you want an idea of what's been added you can search through the SVN commits. Lots of bug fixes, and some new ones, lots of feature updates for HDTV and DVB use. Steve ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Development update
Steve Adeff wrote: On Thursday 27 October 2005 14:33, Bryan Halter wrote: Can someone give this list a quick update of new/improved features under development and an idea of how far out .19 is? I love MythTV and would love to see it continue to grow, that's why I'm curious about this next release. Also some idea of what LxM is up to would be nice too :) First rule of MythTV-dev is don't ask about MythTV-dev! But seriously... it will be released when its ready. If your anxious, build from SVN. Its relatively stable considering how many changes go into it. If you want an idea of what's been added you can search through the SVN commits. Lots of bug fixes, and some new ones, lots of feature updates for HDTV and DVB use. Is it still basically the same though? I've been reading bits and pieces about a new frontend daemon/frontend client architecture and other things like OpenGL UI rendering that seem to change Myth's core. Are these changes in the next gen, or the next next gen? I think the problem that many of us have with trying SVN is that we only have one mythtv system, and while we'd love to try SVN, we have family that expect Myth to be reliable. :) So all we have left is curiosity... -- Jesse Guardiani Programmer/Sys Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Development update
On Fri, 2005-10-28 at 11:09 -0400, Jesse Guardiani wrote: I think the problem that many of us have with trying SVN is that we only have one mythtv system, and while we'd love to try SVN, we have family that expect Myth to be reliable. :) So all we have left is curiosity... Dump your database, backup your old release (depending on the OS you're running and the distribution method, you could just keep RPMS, or use tar), upgrade to SVN, test and verify all functionality. If it breaks, blow away the DB, recreate, reload, and reload old release. Directions for dumping DB, dropping, recreating, and loading are here: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.5 Certainly this isn't foolproof b/c you may test everything out, and it looks great, and then when a family member trys it, it breaks. :-) But at least it's a nice way to get a quick preview of features. -b ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Development update
On Friday 28 October 2005 11:09, Jesse Guardiani wrote: Is it still basically the same though? yes I've been reading bits and pieces about a new frontend daemon/frontend client architecture and other things like OpenGL UI rendering that seem to change Myth's core. theres development of a new OpenGL UI yes, but it is not active in SVN, its a compile time option to enable it. I haven't tried it, and there has not been much talk on the dev list about it. Are these changes in the next gen, or the next next gen? it all depends on what the dev's feel would be a 19 release. They might release a 18.2 with none of the more experimental stuff just to get some of the fixes and DVB/HDTV stuff in. Who knows?! (rhetorical) I think the problem that many of us have with trying SVN is that we only have one mythtv system, and while we'd love to try SVN, we have family that expect Myth to be reliable. :) So all we have left is curiosity... well, there's always gossamer, you can read through the dev list, and like I mentioned theres always the SVN commits. Steve ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Development update
Andrew Close wrote: On 10/28/05, Jesse Guardiani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the problem that many of us have with trying SVN is that we only have one mythtv system, and while we'd love to try SVN, we have family that expect Myth to be reliable. :) So all we have left is curiosity... i too am curious about the future of MythTv. but i know better than to ask about it. ;) it would be cool if there were updates from decisions made by the devs that were posted on occassion. I'd rather they spend their time writing code for Myth. That way, I'm pleasantly surprised when I see new functionality--as opposed to wondering why this vapor ware is never being completed. ;) Jesse, one thing you could try is looking at some of the newer distro releases. KnoppMyth R5A22 was recently released and includes MythTv from SVN. it is a fairly quick and easy install on newer hardware. if you're comfortable with tweaking Linux then i would say go ahead and install it on your production machine (do a little research first, and make backups ;) AFAICT, it's 0.18-fixes, which primarily only contains bug fixes and no new features. KnoppMyth experts, please feel free to correct me... but i would be hesitant to tell anyone that just 'uses' MythTv to upgrade their production system regardless of the distro being used. Right. Thank you, Jesse and Andrew for taking this approach. This is the right approach to take unless you're willing to invest considerable time in doing your homework both before /and/ after the upgrade. Anyone who decides to upgrade to SVN has the *responsibility* of keeping up with the -dev and -commits lists (which takes a good bit of time). Those who don't keep keep up with the lists/do their homework often cause a lot of developer time to be wasted.--especially now that Trac is in place. Very often, when something changes in SVN, a well-meaning user (wanting to help the project) who hasn't been keeping up with the changes will think he/she has identified a bug. So, instead of posting to the lists to verify that it's a bug, the user submits a ticket to Trac. Then a dev closes the ticket with a short message saying that it's invalid. Since the user hasn't been keeping up with the changes, he/she doesn't understand the short message, so the user reopens the ticket, forcing the developer to spend significantly more time writing up a longer, more detailed description of the changes that have been made (and that were described in the previous commits/messages to the dev list)--sometimes this keeps happening several times. All of this interaction has taken some of the time the developer could have been using to write more code and add more features. And, since it all occurred on the Trac server instead of the lists, other users were unable to contribute and lessen the burden on the devs. So, is it possible to make Trac refuse new tickets without a patch or a reference to a thread on the users or dev list? IMHO, that would be very beneficial for the devs. And, what's beneficial for the devs is beneficial for the users and their Myth boxes. ;) Mike ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Development update
Jesse Guardiani wrote: Steve Adeff wrote: On Thursday 27 October 2005 14:33, Bryan Halter wrote: Can someone give this list a quick update of new/improved features under development and an idea of how far out .19 is? I love MythTV and would love to see it continue to grow, that's why I'm curious about this next release. Also some idea of what LxM is up to would be nice too :) ... Lots of bug fixes, and some new ones, lots of feature updates for HDTV and DVB use. Is it still basically the same though? At this point, 0.19 seems to consist of some major improvements to the backend--many of which won't be directly visible to the user--and a few user-visible changes to both the backend and the frontend. I've been reading bits and pieces about a new frontend daemon/frontend client architecture mfd - Doesn't look like it will be in 0.19. It hasn't really made it onto the roadmap, yet. and other things like OpenGL UI rendering that seem to change Myth's core. MythUI is currently scheduled for 0.20 ( http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/12 ). Note, however, that may change, so don't expect it in that release (so that you're happy when it is). Originally, Isaac was planning to try to have it in 0.19, but he has since changed it to 0.20. But, it will be worth the wait. :) Mike ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Development update
Michael T. Dean wrote: Jesse Guardiani wrote: Steve Adeff wrote: On Thursday 27 October 2005 14:33, Bryan Halter wrote: Can someone give this list a quick update of new/improved features under development and an idea of how far out .19 is? I love MythTV and would love to see it continue to grow, that's why I'm curious about this next release. Also some idea of what LxM is up to would be nice too :) ... Lots of bug fixes, and some new ones, lots of feature updates for HDTV and DVB use. Is it still basically the same though? At this point, 0.19 seems to consist of some major improvements to the backend--many of which won't be directly visible to the user--and a few user-visible changes to both the backend and the frontend. I've been reading bits and pieces about a new frontend daemon/frontend client architecture mfd - Doesn't look like it will be in 0.19. It hasn't really made it onto the roadmap, yet. and other things like OpenGL UI rendering that seem to change Myth's core. MythUI is currently scheduled for 0.20 ( http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/12 ). Note, however, that may change, so don't expect it in that release (so that you're happy when it is). Originally, Isaac was planning to try to have it in 0.19, but he has since changed it to 0.20. But, it will be worth the wait. :) Hey, thanks for taking the time to reply. That's exactly the sort of summary I was hoping for. (not that I'm the OP, because I'm not, but you answer my questions quite well) -- Jesse Guardiani Programmer/Sys Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
[mythtv-users] Development update
Can someone give this list a quick update of new/improved features under development and an idea of how far out .19 is? I love MythTV and would love to see it continue to grow, that's why I'm curious about this next release. Also some idea of what LxM is up to would be nice too :) ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
