RE: (newbie) BGP For Dummies?

2004-12-13 Thread Kashif Salam

Nice resource from Cisco for BGP

http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/cisintwk/ics/icsbgp4.htm

Kashif Salam 




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Try: http://www.itprc.com/routing.htm

Look under the BGP sub-heading for links to a lot of info.

Irwin



 From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:35:34 -0600
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 Subject: (newbie) BGP For Dummies?
 
 
 Hi, long-time listener, first-time caller...
 
 Can anyone recommend a good forum for BGP questions? I've got my copy of the
 O'Reilly book handy, but having never really worked with BGP before, I find
 it's not really the best novice-level work.
 
 (Or, if questions about weird inter-AS routing scenarios are on-topic here,
 I'd
 be glad to bounce my problems around on NANOG.)
 
 Thanks!
 
 David Smith
 MVN.net
 


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Re: (newbie) BGP For Dummies?

2004-12-12 Thread Olivier Bonaventure

On Fri, 2004-12-10 at 21:35, David E. Smith wrote:
 Hi, long-time listener, first-time caller...
 
 Can anyone recommend a good forum for BGP questions? I've got my copy of the
 O'Reilly book handy, but having never really worked with BGP before, I find 
 it's not really the best novice-level work.

Within the E-Next network of excellence, we organised two weeks ago a
two-days tutorial on BGP. This tutorial assumes that the attendees have
a basic understanding of IP routing works but no prior knowledge of BGP
is assumed. The tutorial has a theoretical part covering the behaviour
of the BGP protocol and a practical part with the C-BGP simulator
(http://cbgp.info.ucl.ac.be) whose syntax is close to Cisco routers.

Upon request from some attendees of the tutorial who intend to deliver
BGP courses within their universities, we have released all the training
material under a creative commons licence, see :
http://totem.info.ucl.ac.be/bgp.html

Suggestions and comments on improvements to this training material are
welcome

Best regards,

Olivier Bonaventure
-- 
CSE Dept. UCL, Belgium - http://www.info.ucl.ac.be/people/OBO/



Re: (newbie) BGP For Dummies?

2004-12-12 Thread Irwin Lazar

Try: http://www.itprc.com/routing.htm

Look under the BGP sub-heading for links to a lot of info.

Irwin



 From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:35:34 -0600
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: (newbie) BGP For Dummies?
 
 
 Hi, long-time listener, first-time caller...
 
 Can anyone recommend a good forum for BGP questions? I've got my copy of the
 O'Reilly book handy, but having never really worked with BGP before, I find
 it's not really the best novice-level work.
 
 (Or, if questions about weird inter-AS routing scenarios are on-topic here,
 I'd
 be glad to bounce my problems around on NANOG.)
 
 Thanks!
 
 David Smith
 MVN.net
 



Re: (newbie) BGP For Dummies?

2004-12-12 Thread Alexei Roudnev

I recommend such thing (remembering, how we learned BGP ourself many years
ago, and then participated in edition of the book about BGP).


But it all depends of complexity. 2 uplink multihome site - simple case; 100
node backbone with reflectors and private AS-es - another one.


 On Fri, 2004-12-10 at 21:35, David E. Smith wrote:
  Hi, long-time listener, first-time caller...
 
  Can anyone recommend a good forum for BGP questions? I've got my copy of
the
  O'Reilly book handy, but having never really worked with BGP before, I
find
  it's not really the best novice-level work.

 Within the E-Next network of excellence, we organised two weeks ago a
 two-days tutorial on BGP. This tutorial assumes that the attendees have
 a basic understanding of IP routing works but no prior knowledge of BGP
 is assumed. The tutorial has a theoretical part covering the behaviour
 of the BGP protocol and a practical part with the C-BGP simulator
 (http://cbgp.info.ucl.ac.be) whose syntax is close to Cisco routers.

 Upon request from some attendees of the tutorial who intend to deliver
 BGP courses within their universities, we have released all the training
 material under a creative commons licence, see :
 http://totem.info.ucl.ac.be/bgp.html

 Suggestions and comments on improvements to this training material are
 welcome

 Best regards,

 Olivier Bonaventure
 -- 
 CSE Dept. UCL, Belgium - http://www.info.ucl.ac.be/people/OBO/




Re: (newbie) BGP For Dummies?

2004-12-12 Thread Warren Kumari, Ph.D, CCIE# 9190
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To my mind, John Stewart's BGP4: Inter-Domain Routing on the Internet 
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those books (just like A Brief History of Time) that one leant is 
never returned. I must have bought around 10-12 copies of it by now. It 
is well written, concise (around 150 pages) and deals with real world 
scenarios.

I strongly recommend it,
	Warren.
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Re: (newbie) BGP For Dummies?

2004-12-12 Thread Alexei Roudnev

Here is it:

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk365/technologies_tech_note09186a00800c95bb.shtml

Very good document.



Re: (newbie) BGP For Dummies?

2004-12-12 Thread John Neiberger

 There was excellent docuent on Cisco (better than book). I can search
for
 it, if you want.
 

This one is not too bad .. 
Practical BGP (Russ White, Danny McPherson, Srihari Sangli)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0321127005/103-1122659-1873401?v=glance



I have two books that I'm quite fond of:

BGP4: Interdomain Routing in the Internet, by John W. Stewart

Internet Routing Architectures, 2nd Edition, by Sam Halabi

I found both books to be extremely helpful.

Regards,
John
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Re: (newbie) BGP For Dummies?

2004-12-11 Thread Alexei Roudnev

There was excellent docuent on Cisco (better than book). I can search for
it, if you want.

Btw, BGP is not for dummies, too many possible consequencies of config
errors are possible.

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From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 12:35 PM
Subject: (newbie) BGP For Dummies?



 Hi, long-time listener, first-time caller...

 Can anyone recommend a good forum for BGP questions? I've got my copy of
the
 O'Reilly book handy, but having never really worked with BGP before, I
find
 it's not really the best novice-level work.

 (Or, if questions about weird inter-AS routing scenarios are on-topic
here, I'd
 be glad to bounce my problems around on NANOG.)

 Thanks!

 David Smith
 MVN.net




Re: (newbie) BGP For Dummies?

2004-12-11 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian

On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 02:08:45 -0800, Alexei Roudnev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 There was excellent docuent on Cisco (better than book). I can search for
 it, if you want.
 

This one is not too bad .. 
Practical BGP (Russ White, Danny McPherson, Srihari Sangli)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0321127005/103-1122659-1873401?v=glance

 
 Btw, BGP is not for dummies, too many possible consequencies of config
 errors are possible.
 

Sometimes that's the best way to learn .. when you have accidentally
messed up configs on a router that's halfway across town once, have to
drive over and fix the resulting mess, you learn quite fast not to
repeat that mistake again :)

If this guy was anywhere in the asiapac region I'd just have asked him
to attend the workshops and tutorials at SANOG or APRICOT - there are
a lot more teaching in those two events than you see in NANOG
meetings.

  --srs
-- 
Suresh Ramasubramanian ([EMAIL PROTECTED])


RE: (newbie) BGP For Dummies?

2004-12-11 Thread Charlie Khanna - NextWeb

Check this out... http://www.bgp4.as/books

Good luck.

-Charlie

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David E. Smith
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Subject: (newbie) BGP For Dummies?


Hi, long-time listener, first-time caller...

Can anyone recommend a good forum for BGP questions? I've got my copy of the
O'Reilly book handy, but having never really worked with BGP before, I find 
it's not really the best novice-level work.

(Or, if questions about weird inter-AS routing scenarios are on-topic here,
I'd
be glad to bounce my problems around on NANOG.)

Thanks!

David Smith
MVN.net




Re: (newbie) BGP For Dummies?

2004-12-11 Thread John Underhill
This is a bit dated, but a good place to start..
BGP4 Case Studies - Sam Halabi
http://www.cs.fsu.edu/courses/netdesign/halabi/halabi-bgp4-case-studies-tutorial.pdf#search='halabi%20bgp%20cisco'
For a forum try: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-routing/
Internet.com has a number of forums in this genre, just poke around their 
website a bit..

John
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From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 3:35 PM
Subject: (newbie) BGP For Dummies?


Hi, long-time listener, first-time caller...
Can anyone recommend a good forum for BGP questions? I've got my copy of 
the
O'Reilly book handy, but having never really worked with BGP before, I 
find
it's not really the best novice-level work.

(Or, if questions about weird inter-AS routing scenarios are on-topic 
here, I'd
be glad to bounce my problems around on NANOG.)

Thanks!
David Smith
MVN.net


(newbie) BGP For Dummies?

2004-12-10 Thread David E. Smith

Hi, long-time listener, first-time caller...

Can anyone recommend a good forum for BGP questions? I've got my copy of the
O'Reilly book handy, but having never really worked with BGP before, I find 
it's not really the best novice-level work.

(Or, if questions about weird inter-AS routing scenarios are on-topic here, I'd
be glad to bounce my problems around on NANOG.)

Thanks!

David Smith
MVN.net