Stateful Ethernet Bridging and it's effect on overall Internet topology.

2004-03-16 Thread Gregory Taylor

I have a question and would like all of your opinions on this matter, as I research 
heavily into stateful ethernet bridging, packet mangling and their advantages and 
disadvantages to local and wide area network topologies.

Deployed in large volumes, what negative effects, if any, would ethernet and fiber 
bridges have on the Internet as a whole.

Lets say I was to build a bridge designed to intercept and manipulate traffic coming 
in from an outside network into my 'colo site' to do traffic shaping, packet 
filtering, and ethernet frames manipulation.  And I deployed 100s of these into the 
facility as a means to control overall traffic.  Would these transparent bridges be 
detrimental in any way to the rest of the internet.  I understand that since they are 
re-transmitting data that the possibility of their MAC addresses popping up every time 
a machine behind it pops up could be an issue when doing network monitoring.  But I'd 
just like to know what everyone thinks about such products.

(Excuse me if my statements seem a little incoherent, I just woke up)

Greg


Re: Stateful Ethernet Bridging and it's effect on overall Internet topology.

2004-03-16 Thread Gregory Taylor

I agree, however there are some implementations of this type of bridging that 
'routing' would not be a good substitute for.  Say mangling traffic going outbound for 
compression purposes (A La Redline (Yes I know redline does proxying and not 
bridging)).  I guess my best question would be, is there a solution to the problem.  
Maybe a possible way of bridging the traffic without polluting the world with 
unnecessary broadcasts of MAC addresses and over-head ethernet frames.  (Is there a 
way to strip that garbage from the outbound traffic generated by the bridge).

Greg

-- Original Message --
From: Wayne E. Bouchard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Tue, 16 Mar 2004 12:49:38 -0700

This goes back to traditional bridging issues.

The problems include:

loops and ineffective or broken STP implementations

arp and broadcast storms

mac address collisions

which version of bridging to use and their associated advantages and
disatvantages.

I can't see that adding the capacity to do traffic shaping or
filtering changes any of these issues. It just adds to the complexity.
It still holds that, generally speaking, if you can route instead of
bridging, it's a better option.

On Tue, Mar 16, 2004 at 01:36:48PM -0600, Gregory Taylor wrote:
 
 I have a question and would like all of your opinions on this matter, as I research 
 heavily into stateful ethernet bridging, packet mangling and their advantages and 
 disadvantages to local and wide area network topologies.
 
 Deployed in large volumes, what negative effects, if any, would ethernet and fiber 
 bridges have on the Internet as a whole.
 
 Lets say I was to build a bridge designed to intercept and manipulate traffic 
 coming in from an outside network into my 'colo site' to do traffic shaping, packet 
 filtering, and ethernet frames manipulation.  And I deployed 100s of these into the 
 facility as a means to control overall traffic.  Would these transparent bridges be 
 detrimental in any way to the rest of the internet.  I understand that since they 
 are re-transmitting data that the possibility of their MAC addresses popping up 
 every time a machine behind it pops up could be an issue when doing network 
 monitoring.  But I'd just like to know what everyone thinks about such products.
 
 (Excuse me if my statements seem a little incoherent, I just woke up)
 
 Greg

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Wayne Bouchard
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Network Dude
http://www.typo.org/~web/