Re: v6 gluelessness

2008-01-18 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 05:21:18PM -0800, David Conrad 
wrote:
> Right.  The challenge is that current policy requires explicit  
> approval from both the Administrative and Technical contacts for the  
> zone (to ensure they have really been notified).  As shocking as it  
> might be to some, there are ACs and TCs that don't respond to  
> (repeated) e-mail (or faxes or telephone calls) from IANA.  This can  
> (and has) caused requests for name server changes to block.  This is a  
> known problem and was the subject of a public comment request quite  
> some time ago (see http://forum.icann.org/lists/root-glue-comments/  
> for the responses).  Unfortunately, things sort of got stuck.   
> Hopefully, Randy's request will unstick things.

It would seem to me that a middle ground is in order.

Contact the TLD's.  Send them two e-mails, and two faxes.  But all
of those should contain "you have 30 days to object, or we will
move forward anyway".

I'm all for giving people a reasonable way to object, and/or "protect"
the things they run.  I think though giving them an opportunity to
stop any process completely in its tracks is, well, stupid.

I'd get involved in making the process less stupid, but frankly IANA
politics make my head hurt. :)

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Re: v6 gluelessness

2008-01-18 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 12:59:08PM -0800, Andreas Ott 
wrote:
> even if Randy is successful to get IPv6 glue records added to the the
> root zone, how would I get to them?  This is not obvious from my corner
> of the net.

IANA recently made an announcement that  glue in the root will
be added in early February.  I believe there are either four or
five root servers with currently operating IPv6 capability that
will be the initial listing.

This particular problem is all but solved, and should be done in
under a month.

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Re: v6 gluelessness

2008-01-18 Thread Andreas Ott

Hi,

even if Randy is successful to get IPv6 glue records added to the the
root zone, how would I get to them?  This is not obvious from my corner
of the net.

$ grep -i  named.root
$ grep -i  named.cache
$

$ for l in a b c d e f g h i j k l m ; do host -t  $l.root-servers.net ; 
done
a.root-servers.net has no  record
b.root-servers.net has no  record
c.root-servers.net has no  record
d.root-servers.net has no  record
e.root-servers.net has no  record
f.root-servers.net has no  record
g.root-servers.net has no  record
h.root-servers.net has no  record
i.root-servers.net has no  record
j.root-servers.net has no  record
k.root-servers.net has no  record
l.root-servers.net has no  record
m.root-servers.net has no  record
$

-andreas
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Re: An Attempt at Economically Rational Pricing: Time Warner Trial

2008-01-18 Thread Jeff Shultz


Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:


On Fri, 18 Jan 2008, Rod Beck wrote:


http://www.ecommercetimes.com/rsstory/61251.html


So, anyone but me think that this will end in disaster? I think the 
model where you get high speed for X amount of bytes and then you're 
limited to let's say 64kilobit/s until you actually go to the web page 
and buy another "token" for more Y more bytes at high speed? We already 
have this problem with metered mobile phones, which of course is even 
more complicated for users due to different rates depending on where you 
might be roaming.


Customers want control, that's why the prepaid mobile phone where you 
get an "account" you have to prepay into, are so popular in some 
markets. It also enables people who perhaps otherwise would not be 
eligable because of bad credit, to get these kind of services.


I'm also looking forward to the pricing, all the per-byte plans I have 
seen so far makes the ISP look extremely greedy by overpricing, as 
opposed to "we want to charge fairly for use" that is what they say in 
their press statements.





I think that all those people who think their kids spend a fortune on 
their Cell Phones are in for a very rude awakening... when their "plan" 
runs out of bandwidth on the 6th of the month.


Flat rate text messaging was created for a reason... this is fighting 
that reason.


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Jeff Shultz