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NANOG 43 attendees: plans to attend organ concert
I am sending this message on Ole's behalf, because he's not signed up for nanog. I'm cc-ing him, so replies as well might go to him. Those of you who were at the community meeting on Sunday may recall Ole mentioning the organ site near the LA meeting in Oct. (Think I got that right.) Ole is an organ enthusiast. There is an organ in a church on Montague street that is having a concert today at 1:10pm. Ole is planning to attend and suggests that anyone who wants to go with him should assemble at the bottom of the escalator in the lower lobby, to leave promptly at 1:00pm. Promptly. Details: Church of St. Ann the Holy Trinity 157 Montague Street Brooklyn, New York 11201 718-875-6960 Really detailed organ info: http://www.nycago.org/Organs/Bkln/html/StAnnHolyTrinity.html --Sandy
Re: NANOG 43 attendees: plans to attend organ concert
Forwarding a correction from Ole: Oops, the time/date for the concert is WEDNESDAY, June 4 @ 1:10pm. (not today). By the way, the organ site near the LA meeting is the Walt Disney Concert Hall which houses an amazing instrument, see: http://www.rosales.com/instruments/op24/opus24slide/FrameSet.htm More on that later... Ole http://www.organdemo.info Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj --Sandy
[NANOG-announce] NANOG43 survey for on-site and remote attendees
They survey for NANOG43 is currently available at: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=cv7fRvxyfEFSR2ds8Tvm8w_3d_3d the Program Committee and (speaking for them) Steering Committee of NANOG desperately want to know what you think about this NANOG so that we might use that feedback in the planning for future NANOGs. so whether you are attending on-site or via the webcast, please take a couple of minutes to fill out the survey. thanks! todd NANOG PC chair -- _ todd underwood +1 603 643 9300 x101 renesys corporationgeneral manager babbledog [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.renesys.com/blog ___ NANOG-announce mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-announce
Querstions about COGENT and their services...
So at one time Cogent was one of the lowest performing bandwidth providers. Anyone have any responses to their current operations? regards, Todd Glassey CISM CIFI Chief Scientist/Founder - Certichron Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] 650-796-8178
Re: Querstions about COGENT and their services...
There have been a few discussions over the last few months on Cogent - Seems the response is mixed, depending if you're on Cogent or old PSINet facilities. My experience has been that you get what you pay for - They're the cheapest, that's for sure. I've not heard anything about them in the last couple of months, but the last year has been filled with almost monthly service outages or congestion. David TS Glassey wrote: So at one time Cogent was one of the lowest performing bandwidth providers. Anyone have any responses to their current operations?
Re: Querstions about COGENT and their services...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 03 June 2008 10:06:33 am TS Glassey wrote: So at one time Cogent was one of the lowest performing bandwidth providers. Anyone have any responses to their current operations? regards, Todd Glassey CISM CIFI Chief Scientist/Founder - Certichron Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] 650-796-8178 We've been using them for 5 years now with no problems other than a crack in the fiber which was not their fault and that they fixed within an hour or so. Used them for 3 years before that, with another company, and had no problems their either. The only real issue was the couple of times the peering between L3 and Cogent was stopped - which was really, IMNTBHO, the fault of both parties. I was able to route around this when it occurred, so was not a significant issue at the time. - -- Chris Stone, MCSE Vice President, CTO AxisInternet, Inc. http://www.axint.net DSL, dialup, hosting, email filtering, co-location, online backup Phone: +1 303 592 2947 x302 (office) +1 303 570 6947 (cell) - - -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkhFbiQACgkQnSVip47FEdOJ1gCfdk/vYUBU4MfC9zi3zgOSjW4H oAIAoIdiJlVmy1KbVm99PZ5J0CjVYRr6 =Pg8h -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Querstions about COGENT and their services...
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:06 PM, TS Glassey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So at one time Cogent was one of the lowest performing bandwidth providers. Anyone have any responses to their current operations? They got into a spat with Telia a few months back. Severed those portions of the Internet that they serve from each other for about a week, disrupting all customers who depended on them exclusively. Similar situation with Cogent and Level 3 a couple years ago. I wouldn't count on it not to happen again. They're dirt cheap. If you have an ability to control the routing of your non-interactive traffic (such as email and downloads), Cogent can save you big bucks. If you have three upstreams and one of them isn't Cogent, you may be missing a trick. I don't think I'd pick them as my #1 or #2. Regards, Bill Herrin -- William D. Herrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3005 Crane Dr. .. Web: http://bill.herrin.us/ Falls Church, VA 22042-3004
Re: Querstions about COGENT and their services...
Try getting a credit from Cogent on a billing error, it's impossible. Every single credit must be approved by the CEO as told to me by the billing director located in DC. Their network is oversold and they can't supply what they promise. It's one thing to offer service cheap, it's a whole other to offer cheap service. Good luck if you choose to use them. --Matt On Jun 3, 2008, at 12:06 PM, TS Glassey wrote: So at one time Cogent was one of the lowest performing bandwidth providers. Anyone have any responses to their current operations? regards, Todd Glassey CISM CIFI Chief Scientist/Founder - Certichron Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] 650-796-8178
Re: Querstions about COGENT and their services...
At 12:10 PM 6/3/2008, David Coulson wrote: the cheapest, that's for sure. I've not heard anything about them in the last couple of months, but the last year has been filled with almost monthly service outages or congestion. They are also one of the biggest providers... Proportionally speaking, if they had the same percentage of failures as a provider 10% of their size, it would appear Cogent is worse as there would be more reports. Also, in my experience, I find Cogent pretty good about admitting to outages, even if we didnt notice it. Some providers on the other hand do everything possible to hide any issues... Cogent's pricing in Canada is not that far off from a number of other providers I could choose from so to say you get what you pay for misses a bit of detail. They are not the cheapest, but in that price range, I like the service they offer and have found them a relatively reliable provider. There are other premiere / Tier 1 providers that I found gave worse service, had billing that would drive my AP people crazy and were far more difficult to deal with from a trouble ticket perspective. ---Mike
Re: Querstions about COGENT and their services...
Beware their max-prefix limits, they dont appear to reset automatically. If you want to be able to do any TE with de-aggregation, make sure their prefix limit is high enough. I have had complaints about their performance to AOL and others. Joe TS Glassey wrote: So at one time Cogent was one of the lowest performing bandwidth providers. Anyone have any responses to their current operations? regards, Todd Glassey CISM CIFI Chief Scientist/Founder - Certichron Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] 650-796-8178
Re: Querstions about COGENT and their services...
We've had Cogent for going on three years now, and they've been nothing but exceptional across the board. Our sales guy is excellent - attentive but not overbearing. We've had one easily-resolved billing issue, and their team got us squared away on one call. Their tech support has been phenomenal for us - we've only had to call a few times (all BGP emergencies on our end, not theirs), but every time it was single-call, single-person response; having an empowered network guy answer the phone is extremely refreshing. Our multiple email tickets have always been immediately responded to and closed within 24 hours. Also, the bang for the buck is out of this world. Our only complaint, and I do mean /only/ complaint is that they are ~25% of our traffic and not more (we peer w/ TWTelecom Level3 as well). Dear Cogent, please peer more/better and we'll give you more money. As someone else said, if you have three peers, Cogent had better be one of them or you're missing out. Cheers, Randal On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 10:06 AM, TS Glassey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So at one time Cogent was one of the lowest performing bandwidth providers. Anyone have any responses to their current operations? regards, Todd Glassey CISM CIFI Chief Scientist/Founder - Certichron Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] 650-796-8178
Re: Querstions about COGENT and their services...
I have been very pleased with our service from Cogent. Regards Marshall On Jun 3, 2008, at 1:06 PM, randal k wrote: We've had Cogent for going on three years now, and they've been nothing but exceptional across the board. Our sales guy is excellent - attentive but not overbearing. We've had one easily-resolved billing issue, and their team got us squared away on one call. Their tech support has been phenomenal for us - we've only had to call a few times (all BGP emergencies on our end, not theirs), but every time it was single-call, single-person response; having an empowered network guy answer the phone is extremely refreshing. Our multiple email tickets have always been immediately responded to and closed within 24 hours. Also, the bang for the buck is out of this world. Our only complaint, and I do mean /only/ complaint is that they are ~25% of our traffic and not more (we peer w/ TWTelecom Level3 as well). Dear Cogent, please peer more/better and we'll give you more money. As someone else said, if you have three peers, Cogent had better be one of them or you're missing out. Cheers, Randal On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 10:06 AM, TS Glassey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So at one time Cogent was one of the lowest performing bandwidth providers. Anyone have any responses to their current operations? regards, Todd Glassey CISM CIFI Chief Scientist/Founder - Certichron Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] 650-796-8178
Re: Querstions about COGENT and their services...
Mike Tancsa wrote: They are also one of the biggest providers... Proportionally speaking, if they had the same percentage of failures as a provider 10% of their size, it would appear Cogent is worse as there would be more reports. Also, in my experience, I find Cogent pretty good about admitting to outages, even if we didnt notice it. Some providers on the other hand do everything possible to hide any issues... Sorry - I don't buy the They're big, so they have more problems. I've never seen the frequency of network issues with any Tier 1 (for want of a better nomenclature) that I have seen with Cogent. Admitting a problem does not help when their facilities do not have enough capacity to route around the failure of one of their POPs. Cogent's pricing in Canada is not that far off from a number of other providers I could choose from so to say you get what you pay for misses a bit of detail. They are not the cheapest, but in that price range, I like the service they offer and have found them a relatively reliable provider. There are other premiere / Tier 1 providers that I found gave worse service, had billing that would drive my AP people crazy and were far more difficult to deal with from a trouble ticket perspective. Cogent have been 50% cheaper than most other providers I have used, as far as raw IP services go. They have also had exponentially more network issues than other transit providers. Usually it's stuff that makes life difficult, such as a failure at a POP that causes congestion somewhere else - I'd be okay if their local POP died and took out my BGP session, but alas that only happened once when they blew some breakers one day. David
Re: Querstions about COGENT and their services...
On Jun 3, 2008, at 6:06 PM, TS Glassey wrote: So at one time Cogent was one of the lowest performing bandwidth providers. Anyone have any responses to their current operations? regards, Todd Glassey CISM CIFI Chief Scientist/Founder - Certichron Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] 650-796-8178 Couple remarks on their reputation in europe, I've never had Cogent transit, so this requires further investigation. They're the cheapest (cost-wise, I wouldn't venture to say technically- wise) in Europe, that's a fact. They often get into peering clashes against major actors, they've recently been in that situation with Telia, in the past with France's incumbent (Orange), Level 3 has also depeered them in the past, this is due to them being brokers and is inherent to their pricing policy - it certainly will keep happening to them in the future. The above point is from my perspective a show-stopper, but a good strategy I've very often heard from some of their customers is to use them to forward traffic towards exotic locations, where QoS is not an issue, or where revenue is not critical. Their IP core is supposedly a patch-work resulting from their numerous past acquisitions (PSINet, Lambdanet to name a few), which can explain the many outages they have. Still, the sales people in Europe are really kind, comprehensive and caring people, which makes it a little better, I suppose :) Hope this helped. Greg VILLAIN Independant internet architect
Re: Querstions about COGENT and their services...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Overall Cogent has been okay. We've had a few issues over the last several months. One specifically bothersome as it cropped up several times. They basically kept rewriting their CoPP ACLs and kept dropping my side of the /30 from the allow list. This caused our BGP session to start flapping. Each time this happened it took several hours to escalate to someone that understood the problem and could get it fixed. Not even referencing old tickets would help their first line of Support. On one call an engineer told me BGP was flapping because my config was split into address-family ipv4/ipv6 unicast/multicast rather than one big router bgp stanza. We have a session with ATT, so when Cogent does something stupid, we aren't off the net... Other than bidding for a contract in a building they didn't actually have any resources, then trying to get us to pay for the costs of building out there after they wonAnd the sales rep quitting right after they won the RFPthey've been decent. /Ryan Greg VILLAIN wrote: | | On Jun 3, 2008, at 6:06 PM, TS Glassey wrote: | So at one time Cogent was one of the lowest performing bandwidth | providers. Anyone have any responses to their current operations? | | regards, | Todd Glassey CISM CIFI | Chief Scientist/Founder - Certichron Inc | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 650-796-8178 | | | | Couple remarks on their reputation in europe, I've never had Cogent | transit, so this requires further investigation. | They're the cheapest (cost-wise, I wouldn't venture to say | technically-wise) in Europe, that's a fact. | They often get into peering clashes against major actors, they've | recently been in that situation with Telia, in the past with France's | incumbent (Orange), Level 3 has also depeered them in the past, this is | due to them being brokers and is inherent to their pricing policy - it | certainly will keep happening to them in the future. | The above point is from my perspective a show-stopper, but a good | strategy I've very often heard from some of their customers is to use | them to forward traffic towards exotic locations, where QoS is not an | issue, or where revenue is not critical. | Their IP core is supposedly a patch-work resulting from their numerous | past acquisitions (PSINet, Lambdanet to name a few), which can explain | the many outages they have. | Still, the sales people in Europe are really kind, comprehensive and | caring people, which makes it a little better, I suppose :) | Hope this helped. | | Greg VILLAIN | Independant internet architect - -- Ryan M. Harden, BS, KC9IHX Office: 217-265-5192 CITES - Network Engineering Cell: 630-363-0365 2130 Digital Computer Lab Fax:217-244-7089 1304 W. Springfield email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Urbana, IL 61801 University of Illinois - Urbana/Champaign ~ - All your Base - -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIRZoftuPckBBbXboRAlJ6AJ0aoeBv/xrzr/rPkIqKSIpwGuHwQQCgz0N8 b0q2Lag9Z5a5OpxPoKINzHQ= =ARib -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Querstions about COGENT and their services...
randal k [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We've had Cogent for going on three years now, and they've been nothing but exceptional across the board. Our sales guy is excellent - attentive but not overbearing. Must not be Joe Kusa then. He managed to get Cogent onto my do not buy from these spamming SOBs list by adding me to their send out marketing updates list without my permission. Also never misses a chance to ring me up to touch base and stay in touch. Last time we talked I told him in no uncertain terms that I didn't want to hear from him again. He seemed unclear on why what he did was wrong. Oh well, ---Rob
Re: Querstions about COGENT and their services...
Todd, I once had that same question. I bought FastE from Cogent almost a year ago for out of band management of our production gear. But, I put up a couple of old Celerons running Smokeping up, pinging the same 37 remote networks. One server on Cogent, and one on our colo providers super-wicked-premium-route-science network. Before I started this experiment, I had a very low opinion of Cogent. Since then I have been absolutely happy with them. You will note that if you look at the same graphs between on the two, the super-jam-route-science network is only a very slight bit faster and in some cases it is not. Cogent support is surprisingly good. A person who can resolve you issue is the person who answers the phone. You are not transferred 9 times to get the the right person. There is no eternal hold. I can't answer any questions regarding BGP with them as we are not doing BGP with them yet. This is scheduled, however. Ask me again in a few months. If you question is regarding ping times, then here is the evidence: Smoke1 is on the Colo's blended network: http://smoke1.m5hosting.com/cgi-bin/smokeping.cgi?target=World.USA.FaceBook Smoke2 is single FastE to Cogent only. No redundancy: http://smoke2.m5hosting.com/cgi-bin/smokeping.cgi?target=World.USA.FaceBook Can't use them as a single provider though. They have those peering fights and periodic maintenance. If you need 99.999% then you need to have more than one carrier anyway. Cheers, Mike On Tue, 2008-06-03 at 09:06 -0700, TS Glassey wrote: So at one time Cogent was one of the lowest performing bandwidth providers. Anyone have any responses to their current operations? regards, Todd Glassey CISM CIFI Chief Scientist/Founder - Certichron Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] 650-796-8178 -- Michael J. McCafferty Principal, Security Engineer M5 Hosting http://www.m5hosting.com You can have your own custom Dedicated Server up and running today ! RedHat Enterprise, CentOS, Ubuntu, Debian, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, and more
Re: REMINDER: DNS Operations Meeting, Brooklyn NY 4/5th June
A final reminder that this meeting will be taking place tomorrow, and we still have some space for anyone who wishes to attend. The meeting will be held in Brooklyn College, NY, about 30 mins by subway from the NANOG venue. Meeting information and an agenda are at: http://public.oarci.net/dns-operations/workshop-2008/ Keith Mitchell OARC Programme Manager
Re: NANOG NYC Event
i really hope everyone takes the time to walk over the brooklyn bridge into manhattan. its a pretty awesome view and experience. - Andrew Young Webair Internet Development, Inc Phone: 1 866 WEBAIR 1 FAX: 516.938.5100 http://www.webair.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] - We are interested in any feedback you might have about the service you received. Please contact our technical support consumer care manager directly at 1.866.WEBAIR1 or e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] - On Sun, 2008-06-01 at 12:57 -0400, Fisher, Shawn wrote: (Drifting further off topic). Another suggestion to add is the DUMBO area of brooklyn, down under mahattanville overpass, easy to reach from manhattan, take a nice stroll across the brooklyn bridge and your there, lots of cool restaurants. Another bit of history, walk to montague street, yes the montague street mr dylan sings about in tangled up in blue. (some controversy over this) best way to walk is on the promenade along the east river, great views of manhattan. Enjoy -- Sent using BlackBerry -Original Message- From: J. Oquendo To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Sun Jun 01 11:54:40 2008 Subject: Re: NANOG NYC Event On Sun, 01 Jun 2008, Brant I. Stevens wrote: It's in Harlem. BOOO! So is Columbia University! Harlem is in the process of going through a renaissance and has been over the past 10 or more so things have changed for the better. Just avoid going there after certain hours ;) As for the prior Brooklyn comment, Park Slope also has some great eats but the area/scene tends to be sort of artsy. If you want to spend some time sightseeing Brooklyn, the Brooklyn Public Library (main one) Grand Army Plaza is near the Brooklyn Botanic Gardens. Don't forget Coney Island which has also changed in the last decade. Again, watch those hours, NY is a Jeckyll and Hyde city. Nice sometimes, beautiful to visit but can be insanely ugly. The downtown Brooklyn area has some nice eats but I've always preferred the city. In the area of downtown Brooklyn, you'll typically find a bunch of people in local government and lawyers eating as the courts are downtown. For those looking for sweets, don't forget the ever famous (overhyped) Junior's Cheesecake. If you've travelled to Coney Island then one cannot forget Nathan's. There are some really good pubs in the Red Hook section, but alas again, going through certain neighborhoods is not for everyone. You can jump on a Water Taxi there for kicks though. Makes for nice pictures at night. Sightseeing: Jump on a boat at night (booze cruise) $25.00 http://www.nywatertaxi.com/tours/happyhour/ Or just hop on an On and Off cruise: http://www.nywatertaxi.com/hop/ $20.00
Re: NANOG NYC Event
On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:43:27 EDT, andrew young said: i really hope everyone takes the time to walk over the brooklyn bridge into manhattan. its a pretty awesome view and experience. Are you allowed to bring a camera along to record the experience, or is NYC worried about terrorist geeks? pgpm2z3Pn82sB.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: NANOG NYC Event
On Jun 3, 2008, at 8:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:43:27 EDT, andrew young said: i really hope everyone takes the time to walk over the brooklyn bridge into manhattan. its a pretty awesome view and experience. Are you allowed to bring a camera along to record the experience, or is NYC worried about terrorist geeks? No need to worry. I kept having to dodge tourists taking photos and videos as I walked across this evening. Steve
NANOG NYC - Lost Macbook Charger
Hi All - I seem to have left my macbook charger behind tonight - most likely in the main conference room 2nd or 3rd row in the back to the right If anyone happened to see it or pick it up, please let me know, thanks! Christian Koch Quality Technology Services
RE: NANOG NYC Event
Perhaps the NYPD are not worried about Geeks bearing Gifs? -Original Message- From: Steve Feldman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: nanog@nanog.org; Fisher, Shawn Subject: Re: NANOG NYC Event On Jun 3, 2008, at 8:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:43:27 EDT, andrew young said: i really hope everyone takes the time to walk over the brooklyn bridge into manhattan. its a pretty awesome view and experience. Are you allowed to bring a camera along to record the experience, or is NYC worried about terrorist geeks? No need to worry. I kept having to dodge tourists taking photos and videos as I walked across this evening. Steve
www.nanog.org agenda link broken
I'm getting agenda.html - agenda.html/ (which does not exist) - 404 on the nanog.org website. (Yes, I reported it to nanog-support). In case anyone who can fix it is reading: It'd be nice if the agenda page were to start working again while the meeting is still going on. :-) (I'd comment on when that is, but I can't seem to see the agenda online. ;-)) Brian
