Re: IT Survey Request: Win an iPad2 or Kindle!
[JC Wrote] A more cynical view The cynic in me wonders how they will track how many people I forwarded this to. I plan to win the prize for the person who refers the survey to the most number of people by forwarding it to millions of people. :-) (I suspect that the prize will be won by the person who others (who take the survey) claim referred them to the survey, which is different from the criteria set for the prize.) Hi JC, Sorry i missed seeing your message. The survey has a field to enter Referred by. So the people you forward the link to will use your name in the Referred by field. You are right that we rely on the people filling out the survey to be honest in specifying who referred them. Hopefully, that would be the case as emails are forwarded by people to their trusted contacts. Thanks, Arch From: nanog-requ...@nanog.org [nanog-requ...@nanog.org] Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 8:52 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: NANOG Digest, Vol 40, Issue 103 Send NANOG mailing list submissions to nanog@nanog.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to nanog-requ...@nanog.org You can reach the person managing the list at nanog-ow...@nanog.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of NANOG digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Contention/Oversubscription maths (Adam Armstrong) 2. Re: Ham Radio Networking (was Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space) (William Allen Simpson) 3. Re: Contention/Oversubscription maths (Jay Ashworth) 4. Re: IT Survey Request: Win an iPad2 or Kindle! (Michael Holstein) 5. Re: Contention/Oversubscription maths (Jay Ashworth) 6. Re: Contention/Oversubscription maths (Shaun Bryant) 7. Re: Contention/Oversubscription maths (Adam Armstrong) 8. Re: IT Survey Request: Win an iPad2 or Kindle! (Steven Bellovin) 9. Re: IT Survey Request: Win an iPad2 or Kindle! (JC Dill) 10. Re: IT Survey Request: Win an iPad2 or Kindle! (Scott Brim) -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 14:45:28 +0100 From: Adam Armstrong li...@memetic.org Subject: Re: Contention/Oversubscription maths To: Jacob Broussard shadowedstran...@gmail.com Cc: nanog@nanog.org Message-ID: 4ddfaaf8.2080...@memetic.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 27/05/2011 14:40, Jacob Broussard wrote: We offer peak speeds of 4mbps, and we have an extrordinary amount of people using (abusing as some would say) streaming video for many hours of the day causing headaches for us. You probably would be safe to assume that you can use a higher ratio for your higher speeds as there will be fewer people that can take advantage of the full connection speed. This is pretty much what I expect. If you give a 4Mbit user 40Mbit, he tends not to even be able to use 10 times as much, so we can get away with much higher ratios. Statistics and graphs i've seen offlist have been very helpful, and suggest that 1000 100mbit customers is doable on 1GE. Atleast, today. Next year's (decade?) launch of the YouView platform in the UK should increase usage a lot, not to mention a service like Netflix starting in the UK. We have some movie streaming services, but they generally suck and are quite low bitrate. Thanks for the thoughts :D adam. -- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 10:00:20 -0400 From: William Allen Simpson william.allen.simp...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Ham Radio Networking (was Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space) To: nanog@nanog.org Message-ID: 4ddfae74.5000...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 5/26/11 11:23 PM, David Conrad wrote: On May 26, 2011, at 5:14 PM, Wil Schultz wrote: Out of curiosity, is there an IPv6 stack for ham devices? Well there's a loaded question. ... I won't say that there aren't ham devices with an IP stack built in, but I think we're talking about different layers here. Sorry, poorly worded. What I was wondering is there is an equivalent of KA9Q for IPv6. I believe one of the comments we got back when we were trying to reclaim 44/8 was that folks couldn't migrate to IPv6 because no software was available... Well, I wrote a lot of the original IPv6 stuff (back when it was PIPE - SIP - SIPP) for KA9Q, have the source around here somewhere But now I'd just use Linux. Alan Cox ported the KA9Q AX25 code long ago. Since everybody and his brother is coming out of the woodwork -- sadly, I've not done any AX25 since my grandfather Marvin Allen Maten (W8TQP) died; that was one of the things we did together. Although he was a ham since circa 1916, he was always wanting to try the latest! His
$ 90 million fine for cutting Internet services
I remember some discussion of this outage on NANOG, and on what it was costing Egypt. Well, here is an estimate - almost $ 20 million USD / day (which actually sounds low to me). Regards Marshall http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/05/201152811555458677.html An Egyptian court has fined ousted president Hosni Mubarak and former officials more than $90m for cutting off access to internet and mobile phone services during the country's massive protests in January. A court source told the Reuters news agency on Saturday that Mubarak's fine is $34m, former interior minister Habib al-Adly will owe $53m, and former prime minister Ahmed Nazif has a fine of $7m. The fine is to be paid from personal assets...
Re: IPv6 Availability on XO
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Ryan Rawdon r...@u13.net wrote: I've heard some mixed reports of XO's IPv6 availability - some that they have full deployment/availability, but others like the answer back from our XO reseller that XO does not offer IPv6 on circuits under 45mbit/s. What is the experience of NANOG on this matter, particularly with XO connectivity under 45mbit/s? Interesting. Perhaps they haven't plumbed native v6 throughout their network? For comparison, I'm currently running some native IPv6 over XO in the San Francisco Bay Area (homed off of an XO router in Fremont, CA). The circuit is GigE. Cheers, jof
Re: $ 90 million fine for cutting Internet services
On 5/28/2011 12:18 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: I remember some discussion of this outage on NANOG, and on what it was costing Egypt. Well, here is an estimate - almost $ 20 million USD / day (which actually sounds low to me). Regards Marshall http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/05/201152811555458677.html An Egyptian court has fined ousted president Hosni Mubarak and former officials more than $90m for cutting off access to internet and mobile phone services during the country's massive protests in January. A court source told the Reuters news agency on Saturday that Mubarak's fine is $34m, former interior minister Habib al-Adly will owe $53m, and former prime minister Ahmed Nazif has a fine of $7m. The fine is to be paid from personal assets... Can I fine TEDATA for committing VoIP fraud against my network during that same time period?
Re: $ 90 million fine for cutting Internet services
I am a little skeptic that this fine imposed is because the government truly believes in Internet freedom. Many factions of the Egyptian government was to get as much money out of Mubarak as they can and this might be a way to do just that. What would be interesting is if there is a law passed preventing any member of the government from cutting off Internet access. Zaid On May 28, 2011, at 12:23 PM, ML wrote: On 5/28/2011 12:18 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: I remember some discussion of this outage on NANOG, and on what it was costing Egypt. Well, here is an estimate - almost $ 20 million USD / day (which actually sounds low to me). Regards Marshall http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/05/201152811555458677.html An Egyptian court has fined ousted president Hosni Mubarak and former officials more than $90m for cutting off access to internet and mobile phone services during the country's massive protests in January. A court source told the Reuters news agency on Saturday that Mubarak's fine is $34m, former interior minister Habib al-Adly will owe $53m, and former prime minister Ahmed Nazif has a fine of $7m. The fine is to be paid from personal assets... Can I fine TEDATA for committing VoIP fraud against my network during that same time period?
Cablevision's company line on IPv6 to the home
I just got off the phone with a level 1 tech support guy about an issue with my parents Cablevision/Optimum Online service and decided to ask the fellow if there's any official company news about IPv6 being in the works. His comments were that there is a test coming up (he was referring to World IPv6 Day), though he admitted that Cablevision is choosing not to participate in the test because they want to wait to see that IPv6 actually works without problems before they turn it on. He said it with a tone that seemed to express that the World IPv6 Day test is an irresponsible diversion. I politely and without any noticeable condescension (I believe) told him that's what I expected and bid him adieu. It's neat how they're going to skip that irresponsible testing phase and just turn it on one day and it's going to work perfectly. And I wonder how they'll know when IPv6 is done. Maybe is has one of those things that frozen turkeys have, that pops out when it's done. I've got my HE tunnels up and running on a Mikrotik hardware on the little networks I manage. I can't wait for IPv6 Day. So someone on the list please let Cablevision/Optonline know when you've finished IPv6. I'm sure they'd appreciate it. Greg
Re: Cablevision's company line on IPv6 to the home
Since IPv6 is like a frozen turkey Just make sure they remember to take the giblets out... Based on personal... u... experience... that will drastically change when something (if ever) gets done! ;) Scott On 5/28/11 4:21 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: I just got off the phone with a level 1 tech support guy about an issue with my parents Cablevision/Optimum Online service and decided to ask the fellow if there's any official company news about IPv6 being in the works. His comments were that there is a test coming up (he was referring to World IPv6 Day), though he admitted that Cablevision is choosing not to participate in the test because they want to wait to see that IPv6 actually works without problems before they turn it on. He said it with a tone that seemed to express that the World IPv6 Day test is an irresponsible diversion. I politely and without any noticeable condescension (I believe) told him that's what I expected and bid him adieu. It's neat how they're going to skip that irresponsible testing phase and just turn it on one day and it's going to work perfectly. And I wonder how they'll know when IPv6 is done. Maybe is has one of those things that frozen turkeys have, that pops out when it's done. I've got my HE tunnels up and running on a Mikrotik hardware on the little networks I manage. I can't wait for IPv6 Day. So someone on the list please let Cablevision/Optonline know when you've finished IPv6. I'm sure they'd appreciate it. Greg
Resilient streaming protocols
Anyone have any interest in a forward-error-corrected streaming protocol suitable for multicast, possibly both audio and video? Good for when there's some packet loss. Aria Stewart
Re: Resilient streaming protocols
You mean like ProMPEG? On May 28, 2011 4:42 PM, Aria Stewart aredri...@nbtsc.org wrote: Anyone have any interest in a forward-error-corrected streaming protocol suitable for multicast, possibly both audio and video? Good for when there's some packet loss. Aria Stewart
[NANOG-announce] NANOG 52 overflow hotel possibility
It appears that the primary hotel in Denver for NANOG 52 is close to being sold out for the night of Tuesday, June 14. We are exploring alternate hotels nearby. It might be possible to get a small room block with a discounted rate at a hotel a few blocks away, but NewNOG would need to guarantee a minimum number of room nights and pay for any shortfall. So, if you have not yet made hotel reservations for NANOG 52 but plan to do so, please reply privately to me with your name and the exact nights you would need. We will use that information to determine if there is sufficient demand to guarantee the additional room block. In exchange, we'll let you know first if the additional block at the alternate hotel becomes available. Thanks, Steve ___ NANOG-announce mailing list nanog-annou...@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-announce
Choke Point Project wins Golden Nica
FYI http://www.voestalpine.com/group/en/press/press-releases/2011-05-26-prix-ars-electronica.html *2011 winner of [the next idea] voestalpine Art and Technology Grant **Choke Point Project / P2P Foundation (NL) *The Choke Point Project addresses the question of who actually exercises control over the Internet. As a general rule, the Internet is perceived as a decentralized medium not subject to constraints imposed by power structures or authoritarian entities. However, recent events have shown this is not so: in practice, politicians can switch off the Internet for entire countries. The P2P Foundation's Choke Point Project aims to pinpoint key Internet nodes and demonstrate the ease with which constraints can be imposed on Internet connections for entire segments of the population. The goal will be to create visualizations in the form of maps of the Internet, and to assemble a variety of approaches and strategies for sidestepping such constraints. This will help ensure the Internet is liberated from the grasp of power structures, and that control passes to the individual. http://www.chokepointproject.net/ http://blog.p2pfoundation.net -- --- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org -- -
