SMB Internet market?

2011-06-24 Thread Ryan Finnesey
Can anyone recommend a good resource of metrics on the SMB Internet
market?  I am trying to find out which ISPs have the most market share
and if they are using DSL, DS1, or Cable for access.

Cheers
Ryan




Re: IPv6 words

2011-06-24 Thread ポール・ロラン

On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 20:48:03 -0400 (EDT)
Ben Carleton b...@bencarleton.com wrote:

 That one would be good for a firewall/IDS setup... Oh rats, our attack
 was stopped by a firewall at... HEY! :-D

::b19:b00b:babe:101 ? :)
Sure, that would be funny !

Paul




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Re: IPv6 words

2011-06-24 Thread Bjoern A. Zeeb
On Jun 23, 2011, at 10:10 PM, Jeroen van Aart wrote:

 I am sure it has come up a number of times, but with IPv6 you can make up 
 fancy addresses that are (almost) complete words or phrases. Making it almost 
 as easy to remember as the resolved name.
 
 It'd be nice in a weird geek sort of way (but totally impractical) to be able 
 to request IPv6 blocks that have some sort of fancy name of your choice.
 
 2001:db8:dead:beef::
 dead:beef::
 dead::beef

For IPv6 I consider it address spam.  My content filter will give you some 
extra tiny score if your MX uses such an address.

If you want to do it, make sure you do understand the restrictions that apply 
to IPv6 addresses, like U/G bits, etc.  Too many people unfortunately just 
think it's cool in a weird geeky sense and violate RFCs with them.  I was very 
close to write an article about that after W6D...

/bz

-- 
Bjoern A. Zeeb You have to have visions!
 Stop bit received. Insert coin for new address family.




Re: Yup; the Internet is screwed up. [ getting _way_ off-topic ]

2011-06-24 Thread Robert Bonomi

 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:03:00 -0700
 To: NANOG list nanog@nanog.org
 Subject: Re: Yup; the Internet is screwed up.

[[ attibutions lost ]]
   toddlers around and drive to and from work. An SUV in almost all cases
   is added luxury.
  
  My SUV carries seven passengers and allows me to haul gear including
  conduit, lumber, ladders, etc.  It's actively dangerous to do some of
  these things in a sedan.

I'll just point out that that depends on the sedan.  I had a sedan[1] 
where I could carry three full sections of commercial scaffolding _inside_
the car.  Six 5'x5' uprights, six 2'x10' platform sections, and all the
cross-braces.   10' sections of conduit, or plumbing pipe were a 'nothing'.
I could put half-sheets (4'x4') of plywood _flat_ on the floor of the trunk,
and close the trunk lid.  I had about 1500 lbs of actual cargo capacity, but 
I wasn't legal with over about half-a-ton on board.


-- 

[1] A Cadillac Fleetwood on the 'long commercial' chassis, with a crica 8L 
engine, it routinely delivered 27+ mpg on the highway, with the A/C on,
when lightly loaded.





RE: Broken Teredo relay AS1101?

2011-06-24 Thread Jimmy Kyriannis
I'm still seeing this behavior, which is causing a good amount of
Teredo-based connectivity to fail.  The relay appears to be
miredo.surfnet.nl - any chance someone on the list is from SURFNet and could
take a look?



-Original Message-
From: Kevin Loch [mailto:kl...@kl.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 9:05 PM
To: nanog list
Subject: Broken Teredo relay AS1101?

This path for 2001::/32 leads to a broken teredo relay:

   3257 1103 1101

http://ip6.me was using this path and not working from my client. When I
routing to prefer 6939's relays it started working.

- Kevin




RE: Broken Teredo relay AS1101?

2011-06-24 Thread Raymond Dijkxhoorn

Hello Jimmy,


I'm still seeing this behavior, which is causing a good amount of
Teredo-based connectivity to fail.  The relay appears to be
miredo.surfnet.nl - any chance someone on the list is from SURFNet and 
could take a look?


If you can send me offlist some traces i can check for you.


This path for 2001::/32 leads to a broken teredo relay:

  3257 1103 1101

http://ip6.me was using this path and not working from my client. When I
routing to prefer 6939's relays it started working.


We see ~ 180 mbps running over the relay so i doubt its a generic thing.

Bye,
Raymond.



RE: IPv6 words

2011-06-24 Thread Mike Walter
We decided to go the TEXT to HEX conversion route and our main website IPv6 
Address ends in 337a:2e6e:6574
-Mike

-Original Message-
From: Jeroen van Aart [mailto:jer...@mompl.net] 
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 6:11 PM
To: NANOG list
Subject: IPv6 words

I am sure it has come up a number of times, but with IPv6 you can make 
up fancy addresses that are (almost) complete words or phrases. Making 
it almost as easy to remember as the resolved name.

It'd be nice in a weird geek sort of way (but totally impractical) to be 
able to request IPv6 blocks that have some sort of fancy name of your 
choice.

2001:db8:dead:beef::
dead:beef::
dead::beef

As seen on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_number_%28programming%29
DEADBEEF   Famously used on IBM systems such as the RS/6000, also used 
in the original Mac OS operating systems, OPENSTEP Enterprise, and the 
Commodore Amiga. On Sun Microsystems' Solaris, marks freed kernel memory 
(KMEM_FREE_PATTERN)

Bonus points if your organisation's name only contains HEX characters.

Greetings,
Jeroen

-- 
Earthquake Magnitude: 1.1
Date: Thursday, June 23, 2011 21:27:56 UTC
Location: Southern California
Latitude: 33.6613; Longitude: -116.7003
Depth: 17.10 km



Re: IPv6 words

2011-06-24 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 09:10:53AM +, Bjoern A. Zeeb 
wrote:
 If you want to do it, make sure you do understand the restrictions that apply 
 to IPv6 addresses, like U/G bits, etc.  Too many people unfortunately just 
 think it's cool in a weird geeky sense and violate RFCs with them.  I was 
 very close to write an article about that after W6D...

Perhaps I missed something in an RFC somewhere, but I believe those
bits only have meaning locally on an Ethernet LAN.  They have no
meaning when used on non-Ethernet networks, for instance POS or on
a Loopback.  If someone wanted to use them for a /128 virtual for
their web site for instance that would be ok.

Or, turning that around, if you assume an IPv6 address is part of a /64
on an Ethernet network, you have made a false assumption.

-- 
   Leo Bicknell - bickn...@ufp.org - CCIE 3440
PGP keys at http://www.ufp.org/~bicknell/


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Re: IPv6 words

2011-06-24 Thread Joel Jaeggli

On Jun 24, 2011, at 6:50 AM, Leo Bicknell wrote:

 In a message written on Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 09:10:53AM +, Bjoern A. Zeeb 
 wrote:
 If you want to do it, make sure you do understand the restrictions that 
 apply to IPv6 addresses, like U/G bits, etc.  Too many people unfortunately 
 just think it's cool in a weird geeky sense and violate RFCs with them.  I 
 was very close to write an article about that after W6D...
 
 Perhaps I missed something in an RFC somewhere, but I believe those
 bits only have meaning locally on an Ethernet LAN.  They have no
 meaning when used on non-Ethernet networks, for instance POS or on
 a Loopback.  If someone wanted to use them for a /128 virtual for
 their web site for instance that would be ok.
 
 Or, turning that around, if you assume an IPv6 address is part of a /64
 on an Ethernet network, you have made a false assumption.

A load-balancer attached to it's first hop router via a /126 may well advertise 
the virtual ip's it's serving (and treat them) as /128s. the assumption that 
links are /64s  falls down a lot (even on ethernet) when most of them are 
point-to-point.

 -- 
   Leo Bicknell - bickn...@ufp.org - CCIE 3440
PGP keys at http://www.ufp.org/~bicknell/




RE: Broken Teredo relay AS1101?

2011-06-24 Thread Raymond Dijkxhoorn

Hi!


I'm still seeing this behavior, which is causing a good amount of
Teredo-based connectivity to fail.  The relay appears to be
miredo.surfnet.nl - any chance someone on the list is from SURFNet and 
could take a look?



If you can send me offlist some traces i can check for you.



This path for 2001::/32 leads to a broken teredo relay:

  3257 1103 1101

http://ip6.me was using this path and not working from my client. When I
routing to prefer 6939's relays it started working.



We see ~ 180 mbps running over the relay so i doubt its a generic thing.


This has been resolved.

Thanks,
Raymond.



Weekly Routing Table Report

2011-06-24 Thread Routing Analysis Role Account
This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet
Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan.

The posting is sent to APOPS, NANOG, AfNOG, AusNOG, SANOG, PacNOG, LacNOG,
CaribNOG and the RIPE Routing Working Group.

Daily listings are sent to bgp-st...@lists.apnic.net

For historical data, please see http://thyme.rand.apnic.net.

If you have any comments please contact Philip Smith pfsi...@gmail.com.

Routing Table Report   04:00 +10GMT Sat 25 Jun, 2011

Report Website: http://thyme.rand.apnic.net
Detailed Analysis:  http://thyme.rand.apnic.net/current/

Analysis Summary


BGP routing table entries examined:  361681
Prefixes after maximum aggregation:  164222
Deaggregation factor:  2.20
Unique aggregates announced to Internet: 178750
Total ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 37989
Prefixes per ASN:  9.52
Origin-only ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:   31644
Origin ASes announcing only one prefix:   15205
Transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:5162
Transit-only ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:136
Average AS path length visible in the Internet Routing Table:   4.3
Max AS path length visible:  33
Max AS path prepend of ASN (48687)   24
Prefixes from unregistered ASNs in the Routing Table:   849
Unregistered ASNs in the Routing Table: 461
Number of 32-bit ASNs allocated by the RIRs:   1493
Number of 32-bit ASNs visible in the Routing Table:1183
Prefixes from 32-bit ASNs in the Routing Table:2711
Special use prefixes present in the Routing Table:0
Prefixes being announced from unallocated address space:137
Number of addresses announced to Internet:   2493130048
Equivalent to 148 /8s, 154 /16s and 37 /24s
Percentage of available address space announced:   67.3
Percentage of allocated address space announced:   67.3
Percentage of available address space allocated:  100.0
Percentage of address space in use by end-sites:   91.0
Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations:  150698

APNIC Region Analysis Summary
-

Prefixes being announced by APNIC Region ASes:89840
Total APNIC prefixes after maximum aggregation:   30209
APNIC Deaggregation factor:2.97
Prefixes being announced from the APNIC address blocks:   86590
Unique aggregates announced from the APNIC address blocks:36226
APNIC Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:4497
APNIC Prefixes per ASN:   19.26
APNIC Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix:   1249
APNIC Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:712
Average APNIC Region AS path length visible:4.5
Max APNIC Region AS path length visible: 18
Number of APNIC region 32-bit ASNs visible in the Routing Table: 52
Number of APNIC addresses announced to Internet:  622748704
Equivalent to 37 /8s, 30 /16s and 100 /24s
Percentage of available APNIC address space announced: 79.0

APNIC AS Blocks4608-4864, 7467-7722, 9216-10239, 17408-18431
(pre-ERX allocations)  23552-24575, 37888-38911, 45056-46079
   55296-56319, 131072-132095
APNIC Address Blocks 1/8,  14/8,  27/8,  36/8,  39/8,  42/8,  43/8,
49/8,  58/8,  59/8,  60/8,  61/8, 101/8, 103/8,
   106/8, 110/8, 111/8, 112/8, 113/8, 114/8, 115/8,
   116/8, 117/8, 118/8, 119/8, 120/8, 121/8, 122/8,
   123/8, 124/8, 125/8, 126/8, 133/8, 175/8, 180/8,
   182/8, 183/8, 202/8, 203/8, 210/8, 211/8, 218/8,
   219/8, 220/8, 221/8, 222/8, 223/8,

ARIN Region Analysis Summary


Prefixes being announced by ARIN Region ASes:141304
Total ARIN prefixes after maximum aggregation:72518
ARIN Deaggregation factor: 1.95
Prefixes being announced from the ARIN address blocks:   113252
Unique aggregates announced from the ARIN address blocks: 46525
ARIN Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:14441
ARIN Prefixes per ASN: 7.84
ARIN Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix:5515
ARIN Region transit 

BGP Update Report

2011-06-24 Thread cidr-report
BGP Update Report
Interval: 16-Jun-11 -to- 23-Jun-11 (7 days)
Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS131072

TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS
Rank ASNUpds %  Upds/PfxAS-Name
 1 - AS15557  233321  8.3%  12.0 -- LDCOMNET NEUF CEGETEL (formerly 
LDCOM NETWORKS)
 2 - AS453869868  2.5%  13.1 -- ERX-CERNET-BKB China Education 
and Research Network Center
 3 - AS718442557  1.5% 733.7 -- Universidad Verecruzana
 4 - AS17974   39981  1.4%  21.0 -- TELKOMNET-AS2-AP PT 
Telekomunikasi Indonesia
 5 - AS730326505  0.9%  26.7 -- Telecom Argentina S.A.
 6 - AS33260   25398  0.9%6349.5 -- HOSTASAURUS - Hostasaurus, Inc.
 7 - AS982922316  0.8%  21.9 -- BSNL-NIB National Internet 
Backbone
 8 - AS32528   16845  0.6%2105.6 -- ABBOTT Abbot Labs
 9 - AS42910   16563  0.6%  98.0 -- SADECEHOSTING-COM 
Sadecehosting-Com
10 - AS11492   15736  0.6%  13.9 -- CABLEONE - CABLE ONE, INC.
11 - AS949815546  0.6%  18.8 -- BBIL-AP BHARTI Airtel Ltd.
12 - AS755215301  0.6%  13.2 -- VIETEL-AS-AP Vietel Corporation
13 - AS815113824  0.5%   9.8 -- Uninet S.A. de C.V.
14 - AS33475   12862  0.5%  59.8 -- RSN-1 - RockSolid Network, Inc.
15 - AS28573   12643  0.5%   9.3 -- NET Servicos de Comunicao S.A.
16 - AS638912312  0.4%   3.4 -- BELLSOUTH-NET-BLK - 
BellSouth.net Inc.
17 - AS475511378  0.4%   7.7 -- TATACOMM-AS TATA Communications 
formerly VSNL is Leading ISP
18 - AS332011346  0.4%  26.8 -- DTAG Deutsche Telekom AG
19 - AS45595   11037  0.4%  42.5 -- PKTELECOM-AS-PK Pakistan 
Telecom Company Limited
20 - AS702910927  0.4%   5.7 -- WINDSTREAM - Windstream 
Communications Inc


TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS (Updates per announced prefix)
Rank ASNUpds %  Upds/PfxAS-Name
 1 - AS33260   25398  0.9%6349.5 -- HOSTASAURUS - Hostasaurus, Inc.
 2 - AS32528   16845  0.6%2105.6 -- ABBOTT Abbot Labs
 3 - AS285194833  0.2%1611.0 -- Universidad Autonoma de 
Guadalajara, A.C.
 4 - AS467781354  0.1%1354.0 -- PHSI-1996 - Prevea Health 
Services Inc
 5 - AS496001100  0.0%1100.0 -- LASEDA La Seda de Barcelona, S.A
 6 - AS3454 7482  0.3%1068.9 -- Universidad Autonoma de Nuevo 
Leon
 7 - AS31750 866  0.0% 866.0 -- METHODIST-HEALTHCARE - 
Methodist Hospital of Memphis
 8 - AS53492 836  0.0% 836.0 -- CVTYBGP2 - Coventry Health 
Care, Inc.
 9 - AS718442557  1.5% 733.7 -- Universidad Verecruzana
10 - AS445842564  0.1% 641.0 -- PTLINE-AS Progress Tehnologiya 
LLC
11 - AS230913816  0.1% 636.0 -- Universidad Autonoma Chapingo
12 - AS488771700  0.1% 566.7 -- YUNICOM-AS Yunicom Ltd
13 - AS56050 547  0.0% 547.0 -- NEW-SHINE-INTERNET-TH 134 
Yenchit Road
14 - AS3 505  0.0% 735.0 -- CCPG-AS CCPG Solutions Ltd
15 - AS49987 467  0.0% 467.0 -- SPARK-AS Stroy Park - R Ltd
16 - AS447151634  0.1% 408.5 -- GLOBALCOM-AS Globalcom Ltd.
17 - AS449672814  0.1% 402.0 -- TASIO Tasio Ltd
18 - AS56864 398  0.0% 398.0 -- ASITTELECOM AyTi Telekom Ltd.
19 - AS56541 398  0.0% 398.0 -- KOMETA-AS KOMETA LLC
20 - AS52010 386  0.0% 386.0 -- RED-AS Red-Telecom Ltd


TOP 20 Unstable Prefixes
Rank Prefix Upds % Origin AS -- AS Name
 1 - 202.92.235.0/249840  0.3%   AS9498  -- BBIL-AP BHARTI Airtel Ltd.
 2 - 91.217.214.0/249773  0.3%   AS3320  -- DTAG Deutsche Telekom AG
 3 - 130.36.35.0/24 8404  0.3%   AS32528 -- ABBOTT Abbot Labs
 4 - 130.36.34.0/24 8402  0.3%   AS32528 -- ABBOTT Abbot Labs
 5 - 192.100.199.0/24   8301  0.3%   AS278   -- Universidad Nacional Autonoma 
de Mexico
 6 - 200.23.202.0/247442  0.2%   AS3454  -- Universidad Autonoma de Nuevo 
Leon
 7 - 199.48.232.0/216365  0.2%   AS33260 -- HOSTASAURUS - Hostasaurus, Inc.
 8 - 204.10.64.0/21 6355  0.2%   AS33260 -- HOSTASAURUS - Hostasaurus, Inc.
 9 - 208.77.48.0/21 6339  0.2%   AS33260 -- HOSTASAURUS - Hostasaurus, Inc.
10 - 204.15.120.0/216339  0.2%   AS33260 -- HOSTASAURUS - Hostasaurus, Inc.
11 - 202.153.174.0/24   3420  0.1%   AS17408 -- ABOVE-AS-AP AboveNet 
Communications Taiwan
12 - 202.54.86.0/24 2614  0.1%   AS4755  -- TATACOMM-AS TATA Communications 
formerly VSNL is Leading ISP
13 - 202.70.75.0/24 2346  0.1%   AS23752 -- NPTELECOM-NP-AS Nepal 
Telecommunications Corporation, Internet Services,
14 - 65.181.192.0/232098  0.1%   AS11492 -- CABLEONE - CABLE ONE, INC.
15 - 67.214.68.0/23 1940  0.1%   AS11915 -- TELWEST-NETWORK-SVCS-STATIC - 
TEL WEST COMMUNICATIONS LLC
16 - 67.214.72.0/22 1722  0.1%   AS11915 -- 

The Cidr Report

2011-06-24 Thread cidr-report
This report has been generated at Fri Jun 24 21:12:25 2011 AEST.
The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router
and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table.

Check http://www.cidr-report.org for a current version of this report.

Recent Table History
Date  PrefixesCIDR Agg
17-06-11363542  214415
18-06-11363893  214390
19-06-11363941  214481
20-06-11364201  214602
21-06-11364389  214258
22-06-11364520  213988
23-06-11364822  214392
24-06-11364763  215127


AS Summary
 38087  Number of ASes in routing system
 16048  Number of ASes announcing only one prefix
  3626  Largest number of prefixes announced by an AS
AS6389 : BELLSOUTH-NET-BLK - BellSouth.net Inc.
  109796608  Largest address span announced by an AS (/32s)
AS4134 : CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street


Aggregation Summary
The algorithm used in this report proposes aggregation only
when there is a precise match using the AS path, so as 
to preserve traffic transit policies. Aggregation is also
proposed across non-advertised address space ('holes').

 --- 24Jun11 ---
ASnumNetsNow NetsAggr  NetGain   % Gain   Description

Table 364995   215091   14990441.1%   All ASes

AS6389  3626  253 337393.0%   BELLSOUTH-NET-BLK -
   BellSouth.net Inc.
AS4766  2458  946 151261.5%   KIXS-AS-KR Korea Telecom
AS18566 1913  497 141674.0%   COVAD - Covad Communications
   Co.
AS10620 1532  190 134287.6%   Telmex Colombia S.A.
AS4323  1662  400 126275.9%   TWTC - tw telecom holdings,
   inc.
AS22773 1346   96 125092.9%   ASN-CXA-ALL-CCI-22773-RDC -
   Cox Communications Inc.
AS19262 1451  372 107974.4%   VZGNI-TRANSIT - Verizon Online
   LLC
AS1785  1800  762 103857.7%   AS-PAETEC-NET - PaeTec
   Communications, Inc.
AS28573 1266  278  98878.0%   NET Servicos de Comunicao S.A.
AS4755  1479  509  97065.6%   TATACOMM-AS TATA
   Communications formerly VSNL
   is Leading ISP
AS7545  1542  736  80652.3%   TPG-INTERNET-AP TPG Internet
   Pty Ltd
AS18101  933  145  78884.5%   RELIANCE-COMMUNICATIONS-IN
   Reliance Communications
   Ltd.DAKC MUMBAI
AS24560 1153  406  74764.8%   AIRTELBROADBAND-AS-AP Bharti
   Airtel Ltd., Telemedia
   Services
AS8151  1428  691  73751.6%   Uninet S.A. de C.V.
AS6478  1499  768  73148.8%   ATT-INTERNET3 - ATT Services,
   Inc.
AS4808  1054  340  71467.7%   CHINA169-BJ CNCGROUP IP
   network China169 Beijing
   Province Network
AS7552   777   81  69689.6%   VIETEL-AS-AP Vietel
   Corporation
AS7303   991  310  68168.7%   Telecom Argentina S.A.
AS3356  1118  457  66159.1%   LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications
AS17488  957  317  64066.9%   HATHWAY-NET-AP Hathway IP Over
   Cable Internet
AS14420  683   82  60188.0%   CORPORACION NACIONAL DE
   TELECOMUNICACIONES - CNT EP
AS17676  667   70  59789.5%   GIGAINFRA Softbank BB Corp.
AS22561  932  358  57461.6%   DIGITAL-TELEPORT - Digital
   Teleport Inc.
AS3549   977  418  55957.2%   GBLX Global Crossing Ltd.
AS22047  576   32  54494.4%   VTR BANDA ANCHA S.A.
AS4780   750  215  53571.3%   SEEDNET Digital United Inc.
AS7011  1159  628  53145.8%   FRONTIER-AND-CITIZENS -
   Frontier Communications of
   America, Inc.
AS855638  117  52181.7%   CANET-ASN-4 - Bell Aliant
   Regional Communications, Inc.
AS15475  5258  51798.5%   NOL
AS20115 1590 1078  51232.2%   CHARTER-NET-HKY-NC - Charter
   

Wacky Weekend: NERC to relax power grid frequency strictures

2011-06-24 Thread Jay Ashworth
The North American Electric Reliability Council is planning to relax
the standards for how closely power utilities must hold to 60.00Hz.

Here's my absolute favorite quote of all time:

  Tweaking the power grid's frequency is expensive and takes a lot of effort, 
  said Joe McClelland, head of electric reliability for the Federal Energy 
  Regulatory Commission.

  Is anyone using the grid to keep track of time? McClelland said. Let's see 
  if anyone complains if we eliminate it.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_SCI_POWER_CLOCKS?SITE=APSECTION=HOMETEMPLATE=DEFAULT

I believe the answer to that question is contained here:

  http://yarchive.net/car/rv/generator_synchronization.html [1]

This is gonna be fun, no?

Cheers,
-- jra
[1]Please, let's not start in on the source.[2]
[2]No, really: *please*.  :-) 
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Re: Wacky Weekend: NERC to relax power grid frequency strictures

2011-06-24 Thread Jussi Peltola
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 06:29:14PM -0400, Jay Ashworth wrote:
 This is gonna be fun, no?
 
If your definition of fun is spending a year watching an old microwave
clock lose or gain a few minutes.

I don't see how this has anything to do with syncing two generators. The
grid is in sync, and if the frequency of the grid changes (as it does
all the time) it will stay in sync. It has nothing to do with the
absolute frequency.