Re: [c-nsp] DNS amplification

2013-03-20 Thread David Conrad
Arturo,

On Mar 20, 2013, at 5:32 AM, Arturo Servin arturo.ser...@gmail.com wrote:
 For example I know there are enterprises that would  like to multihome
 but they find the current mechanism a barrier to this - for a start they
 can't justify the size of PI space that would guarantee them entry to
 the global routing table.
 
   Which is good. If they cannot justify PI space may be they should not
 get into the global routing table.

The implication of this statement is that if you cannot afford the RIR fees, 
the routers, the technical expertise to run those routers, the additional opex 
associated with BGP-capable Internet connectivity, etc., the services/content 
you provide don't deserve resiliency/redundancy/etc.

I have trouble seeing how this can be called good.  A necessary evil given 
broken technology perhaps, but not good.

 LISP is about seperating the role of the ISP (as routing provider) from
 the end user or content provider/consumer.
 
   Yes, but as mentioned before the cost is in the edge, the benefit in
 the core.

Being able to effectively multi-home without BGP, removing the need to ever 
renumber, etc., all sound like benefits to the edge to me.

 The economic equation is all wrong. 

People keep saying this.

For core providers, the equation doesn't change.  Well, OK, they may lose the 
additional fees they get for BGP-capable connections and they won't have the 
'benefit' of the cost of renumbering to reduce customer thrash, however they 
continue to get paid for providing connectivity services. They might even save 
some money in the long run as they won't need to replace their hamsters with 
guinea pigs quite as frequently.

For edges, the addition of a network element gives them freedom and resiliency 
at the cost of additional complexity and a bit of additional latency/reduced 
bandwidth.  However, it is the edges that would pay the cost to get the 
benefit. I have trouble seeing how this economic equation is wrong.

 There is not economic incentive for the edge to deploy LISP. We are facing 
 the same problem
 that we have with IPv6.

Not really. For example, you (or somebody) have to edit/recompile code to use 
IPv6. You do not have to recompile code to use LISP.

Regards,
-drc




Re: Why are there no GeoDNS solutions anywhere in sight?

2013-03-20 Thread Masataka Ohta
Constantine A. Murenin wrote:

 Why even stop there:  all modern browsers usually know the exact
 location of the user, often with street-level accuracy.

If you think mobile, they don't, especially because often is
not at all enough times.

 Why is there no way to do any of this?

Because it is impractical to assume an IP address can be mapped
uniquely to a geolocation.

Masataka Ohta