Re: Verizon DSL moving to CGN

2013-04-09 Thread Rob Seastrom

Huasong Zhou huas...@kalorama.com writes:

 We got this modem and router all in one box from Comcast directly.

OK, so the NAT is taking place in the router you got from Comcast, not
in Carrier Grade NAT in Comcast's network.  A fine distinction but an
important one.  The external address of your router is (a) globally
unique, and (b) not shared with any other customer.

 And by the way, home use routers don't assign 10.0.0.0 numbers.

Who told you that?

I offer you as a counterexample (all?  maybe just every one I've
owned?) the Airports from Apple.  Default LAN address is 10.0.1.1.

-r





Re: Verizon DSL moving to CGN

2013-04-09 Thread Seth Mos
On 9-4-2013 1:10, Jay Ashworth wrote:
 - Original Message -
 From: Huasong Zhou huas...@kalorama.com
 
 We got this modem and router all in one box from Comcast directly. And
 by the way, home use routers don't assign 10.0.0.0 numbers.
 
 I have seen consumer NAT routers assign addresses in all three RFC1918
 blocks, though I couldn't cite particular models for you.  10./ is less
 common than 172./, but not impossible.

Early Alcatel/Lucent Speedtouch modems assigned 10/8 to the LAN,
effectively breaking all VPN networking to our office. No fun to be had
in that one. Luckily all these shipped without Wifi and have now all
been replaced by Thomson wifi models that use 192.168.[01]/24

Some of the AlliedData Copperjet modems use 172.x

Regards,

Seth



Re: Verizon DSL moving to CGN

2013-04-09 Thread kpospisek

Quoting:


Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 09:31:22 +0200 (CEST)
From: Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se
To: nanog list nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Verizon DSL moving to CGN



On Sun, 7 Apr 2013, Fabien Delmotte wrote:


CGN is just a solution to save time, it is not a transition mechanism  
through IPv6

At the end (IPv6 at home) you will need at list :
Dual stack or NAT64/ DNS64


CGN doesn't stop anyone deploying dual stack. NAT64/DNS64 is dead in the 
water without other mechanisms (464XLAT or alike).


Defusing the dead-in-the-water phrase:
An IPv4 solution with NAT64/DNS64 will still enable pure IPv6 SS devices
without built-in NAT46 to still access the majority of the IPV4 world.
(There are few IPV4-over-IPv6 technologies that can make a similar claim
so thats already one step ahead of the competition on the IPv4 sunset path)

XLAT464 (CLAT46+PLAT64) is now published as RFC6877. It is the most mature
sunset technology - Is a single vendor offering out there that either does
not already have a NAT64 function or doesn't have it in their roadmaps ?

Greets Karl Pospisek from Melbourne AU.



Re: Open Resolver Dataset Update

2013-04-09 Thread Tom Laermans
Jared,

If you mean there can be a referral with RCODE=0 and Recursion Available
= 0, you'll need a third column actually documenting if there is a
referral.

This server is listed in ORP:

$ dig www.google.be @195.160.166.139

;  DiG 9.7.3  www.google.be @195.160.166.139
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 615
;; flags: qr rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0
;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;www.google.be. IN  A

;; Query time: 6 msec
;; SERVER: 195.160.166.139#53(195.160.166.139)
;; WHEN: Tue Apr  9 14:58:21 2013
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 31

RCODE=0, Recursion available=0:

http://openresolverproject.org/search.cgi?mode=search6search_for=195.160.166.0%2F24

Hence my question, what is it doing wrong?

Tom

On Mon, 2013-04-08 at 07:05 -0400, Jared Mauch wrote:
 The referral, including a referral to root can be quite large. Even larger 
 than answering a normal query. I have broken the data out for the purpose of 
 letting people identify the IPs that provide that. 
 
 Jared Mauch
 
 On Apr 8, 2013, at 3:08 AM, Tom Laermans tom.laerm...@phyxia.net wrote:
 
  As far as I know, responding either NOERROR or REFUSED produces packets of 
  the same size.





Closing the gap to improve the capacity of existing fiber optic networks

2013-04-09 Thread Eugen Leitl

http://www.gizmag.com/cudos-fiber-optic-network-capacity/26969/

Closing the gap to improve the capacity of existing fiber optic networks

By Darren Quick

April 7, 2013

Researchers claim to have increased the data capacity of optical networks to
the point that all of the world’s internet traffic could be transmitted via a
single fiber (Photo: Shutterstock)

A team of researchers working through Australia’s Centre for Ultrahigh
Bandwidth Devices for Optical Systems (CUDOS) has developed data encoding
technology that increases the efficiency of existing fiber optic cable
networks. The researchers claim their invention increases the data capacity
of optical networks to the point that all of the world’s internet traffic
could be transmitted via a single fiber.

Compatible with existing networks, the data encoding technology involves
making more efficient use of available data channels. Where existing networks
transmit data with gaps between the channels, the new approach packs the data
channels closer together, thereby allowing more lanes on the same
super-highway.

To demonstrate the system, the researchers re-programmed a LCoS (liquid
crystal on silicon) Wavelength Selective Switch (WSS) to make more efficient
use of available data channels. A WWS is a network component that uses
different wavelengths of laser light to combine (or multiplex) multiple
digital data streams onto a single optical fiber.

The research team, which included Professor Arthur Lowery and Dr Liang Du of
the Monash Department of Electrical and Computer Systems Engineering and
Jochen Schroeder, Joel Carpenter and Ben Eggleton from the University of
Sydney, managed to transmit a signal of 10 terabits per second (Tb/s) more
than 850 km (528 miles) using the new technology.

That’s still well short of the 26 Tb/s data transmission speeds achieved by
scientists at Germany's Karlsruhe Institute of Technology (KIT), but is over
a far greater distance than the 50 km (31 miles) that team achieved.

Professor Lowry said that the switch could be used to squeeze signals into
the gaps in data traffic that flows around large optical-ring networks
between cities. Importantly, new traffic can be squeezed into the fiber at
any location and added to any ‘lane’ of the fiber freeway even between
existing lanes,” he said. Rather than laying hundreds of new parallel
optical fibers to boost network capacity, we can make more efficient use of
the existing network by tweaking the way data is transmitted over long
distances.

“Our approach is so flexible, network operators could adjust capacity to
respond to increased demand, for example from people following big sport
events like the Olympics, added Dr Schröder.

The team believes the technology would allow existing infrastructure to cope
with the rising demand for internet, which is expected to increase 1,000 fold
over the coming decade, with minimal investment.

Because we are have made use of equipment that is already on the market,
this technology could be translated to the consumer quite quickly,” said Dr
Du.

The team’s findings were presented last month at the Optical Fiber
Communication Conference in California. It was presented as a postdeadline
paper, which are intended to give attendees the opportunity to hear
breakthrough results in rapidly advancing areas.

Source: CUDOS



cloudmark?

2013-04-09 Thread Martin Hotze
Hi,

rant
it seems that many large providers are using cloudmark services. As far as I 
can tell: their policy is unclear, they can hardly be reached, mails to support 
are bouncing (delayed, then bounce).

yes, the mailserver from one of our customers was blocked and this was OK and 
rightful, because they had a problem (cracked account). After the problem was 
resolved we started removing their IPv4 address from blacklists and almost all 
lists removed the ban immediately.

cloudmark CSI service (reset request form) wants a form to be filled ... and 
they claim that they send out an email ... but it doesn't make its way to my 
inbox (no, no filters ...)

and support can't be reached.

Where are the good old times when the 'net was controlled by techs and not by 
lawyers?

I can't recommend cloudmark.
/rant

greetings, martin





ipfix analyzers

2013-04-09 Thread Saku Ytti
Can someone point me to IPFIX analysers that do automatic learning of
traffic patterns, raise events as suspected dos, and when operator marked
as false positive, won't trigger that pattern anymore?

This should be without configuring any explicit network ranges anywhere. So
when I do get new customer, I don't have to teach the system about it.

At simplest, maybe it could be static n pps / n Mbps per IP, then keep
hitting false positive button, until they disappear.


Other thing I'm missing from Arbor, is as far as I can see, it does not
really like IXP. I don't know how you can ask via webUI to show traffic
from ASNX in IXP port Y.
I can ask traffic in port X or traffic in ASNX, but not traffic in ASNX in
port X. You can dig this out of IPFIX data really easily.


Both of these seem really trivial issues, frankly not much more than full
work day to produce in homegrown IPFIX analyzer if you don't have to
worry about bigdata/scaling (which I do).
But is there product I can buy, which satisfies these requirements?


-- 
  ++ytti



Re: cloudmark?

2013-04-09 Thread Chris Conn

On 2013-04-09 10:27, Chris Conn wrote:


Hi,

rant
it seems that many large providers are using cloudmark services. As far as I 
can tell: their policy is unclear, they can hardly be reached, mails to support 
are bouncing (delayed, then bounce).

yes, the mailserver from one of our customers was blocked and this was OK and 
rightful, because they had a problem (cracked account). After the problem was 
resolved we started removing their IPv4 address from blacklists and almost all 
lists removed the ban immediately.

cloudmark CSI service (reset request form) wants a form to be filled ... and 
they claim that they send out an email ... but it doesn't make its way to my 
inbox (no, no filters ...)

and support can't be reached.

Where are the good old times when the 'net was controlled by techs and not by 
lawyers?

I can't recommend cloudmark.
/rant




Your experience does not mirror mine at all.  I have less than 30 
minutes of wait time for any support case, and they are few and far 
between.  Reliability is high and FP rate is low.   I have no idea what 
your reference to lawyers pertains to, however the only issue we have 
ever had was for them to take our money when we renewed for the 
umpteenth time.


Maybe they cater to smaller providers more efficiently.

Chris




Re: Verizon DSL moving to CGN

2013-04-09 Thread Livingood, Jason
On 4/8/13 9:23 PM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote:


On 4/8/13 5:55 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
 
 On Apr 7, 2013, at 18:45 , Huasong Zhou huas...@kalorama.com wrote:
 
 We got this modem and router all in one box from Comcast directly. And
by the way, home use routers don't assign 10.0.0.0 numbers.

 
 Some do.
 

ATT U-verse used to have 10.0.0.0/8 as an option until a firmware
update removed that capability. My bet is on CGN prep work.

No, we (Comcast) are not doing CGN prep work.

Jason Livingood
Comcast




Re: Verizon DSL moving to CGN

2013-04-09 Thread Livingood, Jason
On 4/7/13 9:45 PM, Huasong Zhou huas...@kalorama.com wrote:


We got this modem and router all in one box from Comcast directly. And by
the way, home use routers don't assign 10.0.0.0 numbers.

Sure they can. And I'm sure if you checked the WAN interface of the device
it has a public IPv4 address.

- Jason





Re: NANOG 58 - New Orleans - Call For Presentations is open!

2013-04-09 Thread David Temkin
Reminder-  the RFP closed yesterday but we will continue to accept
submissions through the end of the week.

Regards,
-Dave

On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 9:47 AM, David Temkin d...@temk.in wrote:

 Just a reminder that the RFP is still open for NANOG 58!

 Regards,
 -Dave

 On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 12:02 PM, David Temkin d...@temk.in wrote:

 *Fresh off of a great NANOG 57 in Orlando, your program committee is
 already working hard to provide a world-class program for NANOG 58 in NOLA
 - New Orleans, Louisiana - one of my favorite destinations in the world.*
 *
 *
 *As a reminder, we will be following the same Monday-Wednesday program
 that we started at NANOG 57, with Tutorials beginning Monday morning and
 closing with the Peering Track (and potentially a social) on Wednesday
 evening. *
 *
 *
 *We look forward to seeing everyone in The Big Easy!*
 *

 

 The North American Network Operators' Group (NANOG) will hold its 58th
 meeting in New Orleans on June 3rd - 5th, 2013  Verizon Terremark will
 host NANOG 58. The NANOG Program Committee is now seeking proposals for
 presentations, panels, tutorials, tracks sessions, keynote materials, and
 the NOGLab experience for the NANOG 58 program. We invite presentations
 highlighting issues relating to technology already deployed or soon-to-be
 deployed in the Internet. Vendors are encouraged to work with operators to
 present real-world deployment experiences with the vendor's products and
 interoperability via the program and as part of the NOGLab.   NANOG 58
 submissions are welcome at http://pc.nanog.org.

 About NANOG
 NANOG is the premier meeting for network operators in North America.
 Meetings provide a forum for information exchange among network operators,
 engineers, and researchers. NANOG meets three times each year, and includes
 panels, presentations, tutorial sessions, tracks, informal BOFs, and a
 NOGLab which features interoperability demonstrations. NANOG attendees
 include operators from networks of all sizes, enterprise operators, peering
 coordinators, transport and switching equipment vendors, and network
 researchers. NANOG attendees will share ideas and interact with leaders in
 the field of network operations, discuss current operational events and
 issues, and learn about state-of-the-art operational techniques.

 Materials from NANOG 58 will be archived at:
 http://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog58/http://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog55/
  http://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog55/
 Key Dates for NANOG 58

 • CFP Opens for NANOG 58: 25-February-2013
 • CFP Deadline #1: Presentation Abstracts Due: 8-April-2013
 • CFP Deadline #2: Presentation Slides Due: 29-April-2013
 • NANOG Highlights Page Posted: 22-April-2013
 • Preliminary Topic List Posted: 26-April-2013
 • Meeting Agenda Published: 13-May-2013
 • Meeting Agenda Final sent to printer: 20-May-2013
 • Lightning Talk Submissions Open (Abstracts Only): 2-June-2013
 • Speaker FINAL presentations to PCTool or speaker-support: 31-May-2013
 • On-Site Registration: 31-May-2013

 The NANOG Program Committee seeks proposals for presentations, panels,
 tutorial sessions, tracks, and BOFs in all areas of network operations,
 including (but not limited to):

- Power and facilities - Topics may include power reliability and
engineering, green power, power efficiency, cooling, and facilities
management.
- Interconnections - Topics may include IXes, intra-building, MMR,
metro-wide connections, peering, and transit purchasing tactics and
strategies.
- Security - Topics may include routing security, route filtering of
large peers/customers, and inter-AS security and cooperation.
- DNS - Topics may include using DNS data for network metrics, botnet
discovery, and geolocation.
- IPv6 - Topics may include real-world deployment challenges, Carrier
Grade NAT, NAT-PT implementations that work and scale, and allocation
strategies.
- Content - Topics may include Distribution (p2p, IPTV), content
payment models, content distribution technologies and networks, and
storage/archiving.
- Disaster recovery - Topics may include risk analysis, training,
agencies, planning methods, hardware portability, key tools, transport
audits, and other lessons learned.

 In general, presentations are being sought by and for network operators
 of all sizes. Presentations about difficult problems (and interesting
 solutions) that you encounter in the course of your job are encouraged.

 In addition, the Program Committee, through participation with other
 organizations and vendor’s, will be programming a NOGLab experience.
  The topic of the NOGLab will be timely and feature real-world experiences
 faced by operators of today’s Internet.

 If you think you have an interesting topic but want some feedback or
 assistance working it into a presentation, please email the Program
 Committee chair (ch...@pc.nanog.org), and a representative on the
 

Re: Closing the gap to improve the capacity of existing fiber optic networks

2013-04-09 Thread .
On 9 April 2013 15:09, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote:
...

 “Our approach is so flexible, network operators could adjust capacity to
 respond to increased demand, for example from people following big sport
 events like the Olympics, added Dr Schröder.


As a Internet user:  We want more bandwidth every second and every minute
of the day.   We don't want to wait for youtube videos to stream,  games to
download,   we don't want lag in our videogames while other member of the
family is streaming a movie.   Give me 2 tera/s, and I will have lag in my
mmorpg game while my dad watch 4K video from Netflix. It will not be
enough. Never enough is enough. Theres only one answer More, and is all the
time 365 days every year. +1 a leap year.
I suppose the line is to try to explain it to no-internet users. But is
still weird.

-- 
--
ℱin del ℳensaje.


Hazmat at 400 N Tampa

2013-04-09 Thread Jay Ashworth
WFLA TV reports that Tampa Fire is working a hazmat call at 400 N Tampa.

  http://www.wfla.com/story/21920646/hazmat-situation-in-downtown-tampa

Park Tower is the carrier hotel for Tampa Bay; there are about 13 carriers
in that building, at least 9 of which have major POPs and xconn there.

Depending on what the actual problem is, Tampa Bay, Florida, or the
Southeast may see repercussions from this.

Followups to outages-discuss...@outages.org, please (except for actual
further outage data).  (I would set followups, but Zimbra 6 sucks.)

Cheers,
-- jra
-- 
Jay R. Ashworth  Baylink   j...@baylink.com
Designer The Things I Think   RFC 2100
Ashworth  Associates http://baylink.pitas.com 2000 Land Rover DII
St Petersburg FL USA   #natog  +1 727 647 1274



Re: cloudmark?

2013-04-09 Thread Martin Hotze
 Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 10:31:08 -0400
 From: Chris Conn cc...@b2b2c.ca
 To: nanog@nanog.org
 Subject: Re: cloudmark?
 Message-ID: 5164262c.3070...@b2b2c.ca
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
 
 On 2013-04-09 10:27, Chris Conn wrote:
 
(...)
 Your experience does not mirror mine at all.  I have less than 30

good for you. :-)

 minutes of wait time for any support case, and they are few and far
 between.  Reliability is high and FP rate is low.   I have no idea what
 your reference to lawyers pertains to, however the only issue we have
 ever had was for them to take our money when we renewed for the
 umpteenth time.

We are not a paying cloudmark customer.
We just want to get one of our IPv4 address off of their list.

 #m




Re: Quad-A records in Network Solutions ?

2013-04-09 Thread Alejandro Acosta
Hi Carlos, list,
  Today I entered to networksolutions.com and I remembered this
thread. I had to administer a domain name and I sadly found they have
done nothing in IPv6 during the last 12 month.

Regards,

^Ao$

On 3/28/12, Carlos Martinez-Cagnazzo carlosm3...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello all,

 I just received a heads-up from a friend telling me that Network
 Solutions is unable/unwilling to configure 's for .com/.net domains.
 He works for a large media outlet who will be enabling IPv6 on their
 sites for World IPv6 Launch Day.

 I hope it's just a misunderstanding.  If it's not, I would love to know
 if there is a reason for this, and if they have a timeline for
 supporting 's.

 It's ok to contact me privately.

 regards

 Carlos





Re: Quad-A records in Network Solutions ?

2013-04-09 Thread Alain Hebert
Hi,

At least I know the infrastructure is not ready to accept IPv6 for
NS registration.

I tried with NetSol and GoD.

Which remind me... I'm still waiting on my NSx.BCP38.ORG from GoD?

Grr...  (hate when someone is right)

-
Alain Hebertaheb...@pubnix.net   
PubNIX Inc.
50 boul. St-Charles
P.O. Box 26770 Beaconsfield, Quebec H9W 6G7
Tel: 514-990-5911  http://www.pubnix.netFax: 514-990-9443

On 04/09/13 14:42, Alejandro Acosta wrote:
 Hi Carlos, list,
   Today I entered to networksolutions.com and I remembered this
 thread. I had to administer a domain name and I sadly found they have
 done nothing in IPv6 during the last 12 month.

 Regards,

 ^Ao$

 On 3/28/12, Carlos Martinez-Cagnazzo carlosm3...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello all,

 I just received a heads-up from a friend telling me that Network
 Solutions is unable/unwilling to configure 's for .com/.net domains.
 He works for a large media outlet who will be enabling IPv6 on their
 sites for World IPv6 Launch Day.

 I hope it's just a misunderstanding.  If it's not, I would love to know
 if there is a reason for this, and if they have a timeline for
 supporting 's.

 It's ok to contact me privately.

 regards

 Carlos








Re: Quad-A records in Network Solutions ?

2013-04-09 Thread Joe Abley
You have a choice of registrars. If you don't like the one you are using right 
now, choose a different one. There are lots to choose from.

http://www.icann.org/registrar-reports/accredited-list.html


Joe

Sent from my Ono-Sendai Cyberspace 7

On 2013-04-10, at 2:42, Alejandro Acosta alejandroacostaal...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Carlos, list,
  Today I entered to networksolutions.com and I remembered this
 thread. I had to administer a domain name and I sadly found they have
 done nothing in IPv6 during the last 12 month.
 
 Regards,
 
 ^Ao$
 
 On 3/28/12, Carlos Martinez-Cagnazzo carlosm3...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello all,
 
 I just received a heads-up from a friend telling me that Network
 Solutions is unable/unwilling to configure 's for .com/.net domains.
 He works for a large media outlet who will be enabling IPv6 on their
 sites for World IPv6 Launch Day.
 
 I hope it's just a misunderstanding.  If it's not, I would love to know
 if there is a reason for this, and if they have a timeline for
 supporting 's.
 
 It's ok to contact me privately.
 
 regards
 
 Carlos
 


Re: Open Resolver Dataset Update

2013-04-09 Thread Jared Mauch
Tom,

The main criteria is the RCODE=0 vs RCODE=5 refused.

I exposed the Recursion Available bit this last week to cover more of the use 
cases, but many servers provide a very large referral to root.

You are correct in that your system doesn't provide that so should be less 
visible as a result.  I haven't coded everything to pull out that level of 
data from the responses.

Of the responding IPs, a fair percentage 89% respond with the RA bit set.  I'm 
working to close the gap on exposing the direct data of those last 11% in a 
more detailed bit of information, including if it provides a root referral or 
otherwise.

Hope this helps,

- Jared

On Apr 9, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Tom Laermans tom.laerm...@phyxia.net wrote:

 Jared,
 
 If you mean there can be a referral with RCODE=0 and Recursion Available
 = 0, you'll need a third column actually documenting if there is a
 referral.
 
 This server is listed in ORP:
 
 $ dig www.google.be @195.160.166.139
 
 ;  DiG 9.7.3  www.google.be @195.160.166.139
 ;; global options: +cmd
 ;; Got answer:
 ;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 615
 ;; flags: qr rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0
 ;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available
 
 ;; QUESTION SECTION:
 ;www.google.be. IN  A
 
 ;; Query time: 6 msec
 ;; SERVER: 195.160.166.139#53(195.160.166.139)
 ;; WHEN: Tue Apr  9 14:58:21 2013
 ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 31
 
 RCODE=0, Recursion available=0:
   
 http://openresolverproject.org/search.cgi?mode=search6search_for=195.160.166.0%2F24
 
 Hence my question, what is it doing wrong?
 
 Tom
 
 On Mon, 2013-04-08 at 07:05 -0400, Jared Mauch wrote:
 The referral, including a referral to root can be quite large. Even larger 
 than answering a normal query. I have broken the data out for the purpose of 
 letting people identify the IPs that provide that. 
 
 Jared Mauch
 
 On Apr 8, 2013, at 3:08 AM, Tom Laermans tom.laerm...@phyxia.net wrote:
 
 As far as I know, responding either NOERROR or REFUSED produces packets of 
 the same size.
 




Re: Open Resolver Dataset Update

2013-04-09 Thread A. Pishdadi
In the last 2 weeks we have seen double the amount of ddos attacks, and way
bigger then normal. All of them being amplification attacks. I think the
media whoring done during the spamhaus debacle motivated more people to
invest time building up there openresolver list, since really no one has
disclosed attacks of that size and gave the blueprints of how to do it. Now
we know the attack has been around for awhile but no one really knew how
big they could take it until a couple weeks ago..

Now I know your openresolver DB is meant to get them closed but it would
take only a small amount of someones day to write a script to crawl your
database.. You go to fixedorbit.com or something of the sort, look up the
as's of the biggest hosting companies, plop there list of ip allocaitons in
to a text file, run the script and boom i now have the biggest open
resolver list to feed my botnet.. Maybe you should require some sort of
CAPTCHA or registration to view that database. While im sure people have
other ways of gathering up the open resolvers , you just took away all the
work and handed it to them on a silver platter. While i am and others
surely are greatful for the data, i think a little more thought should be
put in how you are going to deliver the data to who should have it, and
that would be the network / AS they are hanging off of.

just my 2 cents..

P.S. I would like to get a list for our AS off list if you can reply back
directly.




On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net wrote:

 Tom,

 The main criteria is the RCODE=0 vs RCODE=5 refused.

 I exposed the Recursion Available bit this last week to cover more of the
 use cases, but many servers provide a very large referral to root.

 You are correct in that your system doesn't provide that so should be less
 visible as a result.  I haven't coded everything to pull out that level
 of data from the responses.

 Of the responding IPs, a fair percentage 89% respond with the RA bit set.
  I'm working to close the gap on exposing the direct data of those last 11%
 in a more detailed bit of information, including if it provides a root
 referral or otherwise.

 Hope this helps,

 - Jared

 On Apr 9, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Tom Laermans tom.laerm...@phyxia.net wrote:

  Jared,
 
  If you mean there can be a referral with RCODE=0 and Recursion Available
  = 0, you'll need a third column actually documenting if there is a
  referral.
 
  This server is listed in ORP:
 
  $ dig www.google.be @195.160.166.139
 
  ;  DiG 9.7.3  www.google.be @195.160.166.139
  ;; global options: +cmd
  ;; Got answer:
  ;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 615
  ;; flags: qr rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0
  ;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available
 
  ;; QUESTION SECTION:
  ;www.google.be. IN  A
 
  ;; Query time: 6 msec
  ;; SERVER: 195.160.166.139#53(195.160.166.139)
  ;; WHEN: Tue Apr  9 14:58:21 2013
  ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 31
 
  RCODE=0, Recursion available=0:
 
 
 http://openresolverproject.org/search.cgi?mode=search6search_for=195.160.166.0%2F24
 
  Hence my question, what is it doing wrong?
 
  Tom
 
  On Mon, 2013-04-08 at 07:05 -0400, Jared Mauch wrote:
  The referral, including a referral to root can be quite large. Even
 larger than answering a normal query. I have broken the data out for the
 purpose of letting people identify the IPs that provide that.
 
  Jared Mauch
 
  On Apr 8, 2013, at 3:08 AM, Tom Laermans tom.laerm...@phyxia.net
 wrote:
 
  As far as I know, responding either NOERROR or REFUSED produces
 packets of the same size.
 





Re: Quad-A records in Network Solutions ?

2013-04-09 Thread Mark Andrews

Not accepting  is just about as bad as not accepting A records.
You wouldn't certify a registrar if they couldn't update A records.
It's about time certification was lost for failure to handle 
records.  The same should also apply for DS records.

In message 6d7961e1-f0fe-4674-8f8e-49cb5226d...@hopcount.ca, Joe Abley writes
:
 You have a choice of registrars. If you don't like the one you are using rig=
 ht now, choose a different one. There are lots to choose from.
 
 http://www.icann.org/registrar-reports/accredited-list.html
 
 
 Joe
 
 Sent from my Ono-Sendai Cyberspace 7
 
 On 2013-04-10, at 2:42, Alejandro Acosta alejandroacostaal...@gmail.com wr=
 ote:
 
  Hi Carlos, list,
   Today I entered to networksolutions.com and I remembered this
  thread. I had to administer a domain name and I sadly found they have
  done nothing in IPv6 during the last 12 month.
 =20
  Regards,
 =20
  ^Ao$
 =20
  On 3/28/12, Carlos Martinez-Cagnazzo carlosm3...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hello all,
 =20
  I just received a heads-up from a friend telling me that Network
  Solutions is unable/unwilling to configure 's for .com/.net domains.
  He works for a large media outlet who will be enabling IPv6 on their
  sites for World IPv6 Launch Day.
 =20
  I hope it's just a misunderstanding.  If it's not, I would love to know
  if there is a reason for this, and if they have a timeline for
  supporting 's.
 =20
  It's ok to contact me privately.
 =20
  regards
 =20
  Carlos
 =20
-- 
Mark Andrews, ISC
1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia
PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: ma...@isc.org



Re: Quad-A records in Network Solutions ?

2013-04-09 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Mark!

On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 09:23:34 +1000
Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org wrote:

 
 Not accepting  is just about as bad as not accepting A records.
 You wouldn't certify a registrar if they couldn't update A records.
 It's about time certification was lost for failure to handle 
 records.  The same should also apply for DS records.

+1

RGDS
GARY
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Re: Quad-A records in Network Solutions ?

2013-04-09 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams
On 4/9/13 4:23 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
 It's about time certification was lost for failure to handle 
 records.  The same should also apply for DS records.

You can suggest this to the compliance team. It seems to me (registrar
hat == on) that in 2.5 years time, when Staff next conducts a
registrar audit, that this is a reasonable expectation of an
accreditation holding contracted party. It simply needs to be added to
the base RAA agreement.

Joe _may_ be in a position to encourage the compliance team to develop
a metric and a test mechanism, but at present, the compliance team
appears to be capable of WHOIS:43 harvesting (via Kent's boxen) and
occasional WHOIS:80 scraping, and little else beyond records
reconciliation for a limited sample. NB, investing equal oversight
labor in all current (and former) RAA holders is (a) a significant
duplication of effort for little possible benefit where shell
registrars are concerned, and (b) treats registrars (and their
registrants' interests in fair dealing) with a few hundreds of domains
and registrars (and their registrants' interests) with 10% or more of
the total gTLD registry market indifferently by policy and enforcement
tool design. The latter means most registrants (those with performance
contracts from registrars with 10% market share) receive several
orders of magnitude less contractual oversight protections than
registrants using registrars with a few hundred names under management.

IMHO, that's a problem that could be fixed.

Eric



IANA AS Numbers registry update

2013-04-09 Thread Selina Harrington
The IANA AS Numbers registry has been updated to reflect the allocation
of 1 block to LACNIC in 2013-04-08:

61440-62463

You can find the IANA AS Numbers registry at:

http://www.iana.org/assignments/as-numbers/as-numbers.xml

Regards,



Selina Harrington

IANA Request Specialist

ICANN


Re: need help about free bandwidth graph program

2013-04-09 Thread Hunveesy
There's also bandwidthd which can be added to the list. Nfsen is the front end 
for nfdump (much like SiLK) with graphs and it has plugins to graph port usage, 
etc. 

On Apr 9, 2013, at 4:51 AM, Deric Kwok deric.kwok2...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all
 
 Do you know any opensource program bandwidthgraph by ipaddess?
 
 Thank you



Re: Quad-A records in Network Solutions ?

2013-04-09 Thread Owen DeLong
I said all of this years ago as a suggestion for the next round of contract
renewals (since I was told that it had to be added to the contracts first).

Best of luck. Personally, I think it should have been a requirement at least
5 years ago.

Owen

On Apr 9, 2013, at 16:48 , Eric Brunner-Williams brun...@nic-naa.net wrote:

 On 4/9/13 4:23 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
 It's about time certification was lost for failure to handle 
 records.  The same should also apply for DS records.
 
 You can suggest this to the compliance team. It seems to me (registrar
 hat == on) that in 2.5 years time, when Staff next conducts a
 registrar audit, that this is a reasonable expectation of an
 accreditation holding contracted party. It simply needs to be added to
 the base RAA agreement.
 
 Joe _may_ be in a position to encourage the compliance team to develop
 a metric and a test mechanism, but at present, the compliance team
 appears to be capable of WHOIS:43 harvesting (via Kent's boxen) and
 occasional WHOIS:80 scraping, and little else beyond records
 reconciliation for a limited sample. NB, investing equal oversight
 labor in all current (and former) RAA holders is (a) a significant
 duplication of effort for little possible benefit where shell
 registrars are concerned, and (b) treats registrars (and their
 registrants' interests in fair dealing) with a few hundreds of domains
 and registrars (and their registrants' interests) with 10% or more of
 the total gTLD registry market indifferently by policy and enforcement
 tool design. The latter means most registrants (those with performance
 contracts from registrars with 10% market share) receive several
 orders of magnitude less contractual oversight protections than
 registrants using registrars with a few hundred names under management.
 
 IMHO, that's a problem that could be fixed.
 
 Eric




Re: Quad-A records in Network Solutions ?

2013-04-09 Thread Jared Mauch
Can you point is at the right address or form to submit regarding this? Seems 
like its time for both on  and DS. 

Jared Mauch

On Apr 9, 2013, at 7:48 PM, Eric Brunner-Williams brun...@nic-naa.net wrote:

 On 4/9/13 4:23 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
 It's about time certification was lost for failure to handle 
 records.  The same should also apply for DS records.
 
 You can suggest this to the compliance team. It seems to me (registrar
 hat == on) that in 2.5 years time, when Staff next conducts a
 registrar audit, that this is a reasonable expectation of an
 accreditation holding contracted party. It simply needs to be added to
 the base RAA agreement.



NANOG - csi reset request

2013-04-09 Thread Bryan Williams
Martin,

I sent you this email from our corporate email, and haven't heard back. Did you 
receive this?

Regards,
Bryan Williams
Sr. Solutions Architect
Cloudmark, Inc

From: Bryan Williams bwilli...@cloudmark.commailto:bwilli...@cloudmark.com
Date: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 12:58 PM
To: m.ho...@hotze.commailto:m.ho...@hotze.com 
m.ho...@hotze.commailto:m.ho...@hotze.com
Subject: NANOG - csi reset request

I searched through the recent requests, and couldn't find any with your email 
address as the contact email. Can you give me the IP you tried to unblock?

Or, try it again and let us know that you did it so we can watch. If there's a 
bug, we'd like to fix it.

Regards,
Bryan Williams
Sr. Solutions Architect

Message: 4
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 14:24:17 +
From: Martin Hotze m.ho...@hotze.commailto:m.ho...@hotze.com
To: nanog@nanog.orgmailto:nanog@nanog.org 
nanog@nanog.orgmailto:nanog@nanog.org
Subject: cloudmark?
Message-ID:
f02a0931e2e6254680832d6a24940c2dec5...@hx01.srv.hotze.commailto:f02a0931e2e6254680832d6a24940c2dec5...@hx01.srv.hotze.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Hi,

rant
it seems that many large providers are using cloudmark services. As far as I 
can tell: their policy is unclear, they can hardly be reached, mails to support 
are bouncing (delayed, then bounce).

yes, the mailserver from one of our customers was blocked and this was OK and 
rightful, because they had a problem (cracked account). After the problem was 
resolved we started removing their IPv4 address from blacklists and almost all 
lists removed the ban immediately.

cloudmark CSI service (reset request form) wants a form to be filled ... and 
they claim that they send out an email ... but it doesn't make its way to my 
inbox (no, no filters ...)

and support can't be reached.

Where are the good old times when the 'net was controlled by techs and not by 
lawyers?

I can't recommend cloudmark.
/rant

greetings, martin



Re: Quad-A records in Network Solutions ?

2013-04-09 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams
On 4/9/13 5:39 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
 I said all of this years ago as a suggestion for the next round of contract
 renewals (since I was told that it had to be added to the contracts first).
 
 Best of luck. Personally, I think it should have been a requirement at least
 5 years ago.

And exactly where were you in ICANN process and politics in 2008?



Re: Quad-A records in Network Solutions ?

2013-04-09 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams
On 4/9/13 5:47 PM, Jared Mauch wrote:
 Can you point is at the right address or form to submit regarding this? Seems 
 like its time for both on  and DS. 

Jared,

Joe is an employee of the corporation, a rather high ranking one. As I
mentioned in my response to Mark, he _may_ be in a position to
encourage both legal to develop new language for future addition to
the RAA, and the Registrar Liaison to socialize the issue to those RAA
parties who are members of the Registrar Stakeholder Group within the
Contracted Parties House of the GNSO, and the Compliance team.

As a matter of policy development you should expect that Registrars
(recall hat) have been presented with ... proposed new terms and
conditions that ... are not universally appreciated, and so one must
either (a) impose new conditions unilaterally upon counter-parties,
arguing some theory of necessity, or (b) negotiate a mutually
agreeable modification.

There is a lot of heat lost in the ICANN system, so to re-purpose the
off-hand observation of John Curran made recently, operators having
some rough consensus on desirable features of RRSet editors may be a
necessary predicate to policy intervention. As I observed to John, the
ISP Constituency within the ICANN GNSO has been an effective advocate
of trademark policy, and no other policy area, since the Montevideo
General meeting, in 2001.

Eric

P.S. I may be turning in my Registrar hat in the near future.



RE: Quad-A records in Network Solutions ?

2013-04-09 Thread Leo Vegoda
Eric Brunner-Williams wrote:

[...]

 Joe is an employee of the corporation, a rather high ranking one. As I
 mentioned in my response to Mark, he _may_ be in a position to
 encourage both legal to develop new language for future addition to
 the RAA, and the Registrar Liaison to socialize the issue to those RAA
 parties who are members of the Registrar Stakeholder Group within the
 Contracted Parties House of the GNSO, and the Compliance team.
 
 As a matter of policy development you should expect that Registrars
 (recall hat) have been presented with ... proposed new terms and
 conditions that ... are not universally appreciated, and so one must
 either (a) impose new conditions unilaterally upon counter-parties,
 arguing some theory of necessity, or (b) negotiate a mutually
 agreeable modification.

IPv6 was on the table from the start of the RAA negotiations, as I
understand it. When I scanned the draft RAA posted a few weeks back I
noticed language like:

3.3.1 At its expense, Registrar shall provide an interactive web page
and a port 43 Whois service (each accessible via both IPv4 and IPv6)
[...]

and

2. IPv6  - To the extent that Registrar offers registrants the ability
to register nameserver addresses, Registrar must allow both IPv4
addresses and IPv6 addresses to be specified.

There are multiple documents to read and you can find them all here.

https://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/proposed-raa-07mar13-en.htm

If anyone has specific questions about the draft RAA, they should
contact Samantha Eisner, whose contact details are on that page.

Regards,

Leo


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RE: NANOG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 45

2013-04-09 Thread Martin Hotze
Bryan,

nope, it didn't make it through to my inbox . I try to contact you through 
other channels.


Martin

 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 02:41:42 +
 From: Bryan Williams bwilli...@cloudmark.com
 To: nanog@nanog.org nanog@nanog.org
 Subject: NANOG - csi reset request
 Message-ID: cd8a4959.62cfa%bwilli...@cloudmark.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
 
 Martin,
 
 I sent you this email from our corporate email, and haven't heard back. Did
 you receive this?
 
 Regards,
 Bryan Williams
 Sr. Solutions Architect
 Cloudmark, Inc
 
 From: Bryan Williams
 bwilli...@cloudmark.commailto:bwilli...@cloudmark.com
 Date: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 12:58 PM
 To: m.ho...@hotze.commailto:m.ho...@hotze.com
 m.ho...@hotze.commailto:m.ho...@hotze.com
 Subject: NANOG - csi reset request
 
 I searched through the recent requests, and couldn't find any with your email
 address as the contact email. Can you give me the IP you tried to unblock?
 
 Or, try it again and let us know that you did it so we can watch. If there's a
 bug, we'd like to fix it.
 
 Regards,
 Bryan Williams
 Sr. Solutions Architect




Re: Quad-A records in Network Solutions ?

2013-04-09 Thread Mark Andrews

In message 5648a8908ccb564ebf46e2bc904a75b15ff1684...@exvpmbx100-1.exc.icann.o
rg, Leo Vegoda writes:
 
 Eric Brunner-Williams wrote:
 
 [...]
 
  Joe is an employee of the corporation, a rather high ranking one. As I
  mentioned in my response to Mark, he _may_ be in a position to
  encourage both legal to develop new language for future addition to
  the RAA, and the Registrar Liaison to socialize the issue to those RAA
  parties who are members of the Registrar Stakeholder Group within the
  Contracted Parties House of the GNSO, and the Compliance team.
  
  As a matter of policy development you should expect that Registrars
  (recall hat) have been presented with ... proposed new terms and
  conditions that ... are not universally appreciated, and so one must
  either (a) impose new conditions unilaterally upon counter-parties,
  arguing some theory of necessity, or (b) negotiate a mutually
  agreeable modification.
 
 IPv6 was on the table from the start of the RAA negotiations, as I
 understand it. When I scanned the draft RAA posted a few weeks back I
 noticed language like:
 
 3.3.1 At its expense, Registrar shall provide an interactive web page
 and a port 43 Whois service (each accessible via both IPv4 and IPv6)
 [...]
 
 and
 
 2. IPv6  - To the extent that Registrar offers registrants the ability
 to register nameserver addresses, Registrar must allow both IPv4
 addresses and IPv6 addresses to be specified.
 
 There are multiple documents to read and you can find them all here.
 
 https://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/proposed-raa-07mar13-en.htm
 
 If anyone has specific questions about the draft RAA, they should
 contact Samantha Eisner, whose contact details are on that page.
 
 Regards,
 
 Leo

Looking at
https://www.icann.org/en/resources/registrars/raa/proposed-additional-operation-07mar13-en.pdf
there is nothing which requires registrars to support  on the web
pages when A records are supported on web pages.

 and DS updates currently often required registrants to jump through
all sorts of hoops compared to adding A and NS records.

Maintenance of A, , NS and DS records are core functionality and
need to be treated as such.

-- 
Mark Andrews, ISC
1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia
PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: ma...@isc.org



Re: Quad-A records in Network Solutions ?

2013-04-09 Thread Leo Vegoda
On Apr 9, 2013, at 8:56 pm, Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org wrote:

[…]

 There are multiple documents to read and you can find them all here.
 
 https://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/proposed-raa-07mar13-en.htm
 
 If anyone has specific questions about the draft RAA, they should
 contact Samantha Eisner, whose contact details are on that page.
 
 Regards,
 
 Leo
 
 Looking at
 https://www.icann.org/en/resources/registrars/raa/proposed-additional-operation-07mar13-en.pdf
 there is nothing which requires registrars to support  on the web
 pages when A records are supported on web pages.
 
  and DS updates currently often required registrants to jump through
 all sorts of hoops compared to adding A and NS records.
 
 Maintenance of A, , NS and DS records are core functionality and
 need to be treated as such.

That is exactly the kind of input that is valuable to the consultation. I 
encourage you to submit it there so it is considered.

Regards,

Leo

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