Re: Will a single /27 get fully routed these days?
On Jan 26, 2014, at 00:39 , Sander Steffann san...@steffann.nl wrote: Hi Owen, Same question… Will people adjust their filters, (even if only for that prefix)? All over the world? I think 'will adjust their filters for XYZ' is highly optimistic, but let's hope it will work, otherwise the ISPs in the ARIN region will have a problem. (Or maybe not: existing ISPs (for who a /2[4-8] is not a significant amount) might not mind if a new competitors only gets a /2[5-8] that they cannot route globally. But I really hope it doesn't come to that.) Realistically, anyone depending on IPv4 is going to has a growing problem which will only continue to grow. Yes, but those last IPv4 addresses are for ISPs who work with IPv6 and need a little bit of IPv4 to communicate with the legacy world. If they can't even do that it will be extra hard (impossible?) for them to function. Which is precisely why I authored that particular policy at the time. But more important: which /10 is set aside for this? It is not listed on https://www.arin.net/knowledge/ip_blocks.html I'm not sure it has been determined yet, let alone announced. According to https://www.arin.net/resources/request/ipv4_countdown.html phase one it should have been done in September 2012: 'IPv4 address space required for NRPM 4.10, which sets aside a contiguous IPv4 /10 block to facilitate IPv6 deployment, was reserved and removed from the remaining IPv4 address pool.' I can't find anything more specific though... OK, then I'm sure it's been determined, but I can't really fault them for not announcing it yet. Consider the possibility of a policy change which allows the transfer of smaller blocks (current ARIN policy limits this to /24 minimum, but ARIN policy is not immutable, we have a policy development process so that anyone who wants to can start the process of changing it.) I’m well aware of that, but I’ll stick to RIPE policies for now :-) I admit I'm not familiar with the details of the RIPE policy in this regard. Do they allow longer prefixes to be transferred and/or acquired? Allow: yes. Anybody doing that for globally routable purposes: no. Although it can be used for networks that don't need to be in the global BGP table. I will point out that the NA in NANOG mostly refers to the ARIN region. ??? No idea what this comment is supposed to mean. You may find this weird, but since the Internet is actually a global network I do care about what happens in NA... You made the comment that you would ...stick to RIPE I pointed out that ARIN was the RIR of record for most of the territory for which this list is focused. Owen
Re: Will a single /27 get fully routed these days?
But more important: which /10 is set aside for this? It is not listed on https://www.arin.net/knowledge/ip_blocks.html I'm not sure it has been determined yet, let alone announced. According to https://www.arin.net/resources/request/ipv4_countdown.html phase one it should have been done in September 2012: 'IPv4 address space required for NRPM 4.10, which sets aside a contiguous IPv4 /10 block to facilitate IPv6 deployment, was reserved and removed from the remaining IPv4 address pool.' I can't find anything more specific though... OK, then I'm sure it's been determined, but I can't really fault them for not announcing it yet. ?!?!? How are people supposed to prepare their filters for those tiny allocations if the corresponding prefix is not published? This is not making any sense... Sander
Re: Will a single /27 get fully routed these days?
* Sander Steffann But more important: which /10 is set aside for this? It is not listed on https://www.arin.net/knowledge/ip_blocks.html Probably 23.128/10: arin||ipv4|23.128.0.0|4194304||reserved| Tore
Re: Will a single /27 get fully routed these days?
Hi, Op 27 jan. 2014 om 10:49 heeft Tore Anderson t...@fud.no het volgende geschreven: * Sander Steffann But more important: which /10 is set aside for this? It is not listed on https://www.arin.net/knowledge/ip_blocks.html Probably 23.128/10: arin||ipv4|23.128.0.0|4194304||reserved| Now that is useful information! Can someone from ARIN confirm this? Cheers, Sander
Re: Opensource tools for inventory and troubleticketing
+1 for Redmine. I've used most of the open source ticketing systems out there at one time or another, and greatly prefer Redmine over all of them. I've always been a big proponent of open source and only using proprietary software if you absolutely have to (to the point of deploying Linux for internal small-scale firewalling and routing (i.e. VM clusters, test environments) before I'll concede that hardware is required), but I'll admit that Atlassian Jira is probably the best ticketing product out there right now. But it's proprietary and costs money. Other than that, Redmine is the way to go. -Jason On 01/25/2014 09:41 AM, Vireak Ouk wrote: We decided against RT and use Redmine for tickets instead. We find Redmine to be much more user-friendly. On Jan 25, 2014 8:14 AM, Franck Martin fmar...@linkedin.com wrote: On Jan 24, 2014, at 1:37 AM, Octavio Alfageme palae...@palaemon.es wrote: Hello everyone, I work for a small service provider starting to offer MPLS services between Europe and several african countries. At present time we own a small Cisco network, but we are starting to need a better inventory of services and network resources and better troubleticketing procedures. We can not afford acquiring complicated and expensive tools at present time.I would be grateful if you could recommend me opensource tools to cover these needs. try https://abusehq.abusix.com/ or http://wordtothewise.com/products/abacus.html -- Jason Antman | Systems Engineer | CMGdigital jason.ant...@coxinc.com | p: 678-645-4155
Re: Will a single /27 get fully routed these days?
[...] particularly of policies defined by a handful of folks who bother to participate in the ARIN public policy processes I love this part. I was told a billion times where and how to participate in the policy debate - to the point where many people complain they are being told too many times - yet still did not 'bother' to participate. And now I am going to bitch and moan about the policy because, well, OTHER PEOPLE WROTE IT WITHOUT MY INPUT. Whot-EVA. ARIN is community owned operated. You don't like it, fine, but don't complain when policies are turned out that you don't like if you don't even 'bother' to participate. -- TTFN, patrick On Jan 26, 2014, at 20:26 , David Conrad d...@virtualized.org wrote: On Jan 26, 2014, at 11:45 AM, John Levine jo...@iecc.com wrote: I wonder what will change (if anything) when ARIN runs out of IPv4 space. The market in used IPv4 space will come out from the shadows, It mostly has already done so in the APNIC and RIPE regions out of necessity. and we'll see endless arguments between buyers of IPv4 space and ARIN, when ARIN refuses the updates to the address registry. This would be bad. I can think of few more effective ways of destroying the RIR system than by refusing to update the address registry. IMHO, the primary function of the Registries is to, you know, register. Not act as policy police, particularly of policies defined by a handful of folks who bother to participate in the ARIN public policy processes. I don't see any reason for the people who run defaultless routers all over the world to change the /24 rule. So IIUC, the theory goes that ISPs will be encouraged by their customers (upon pain of those customers becoming former customers) to announce their long prefixes, even though the ISPs will say but nobody will listen. However, some ISPs _do_ listen (or rather, _don't_ filter) so the long prefix customers will get partial (i.e., worse than normal) reachability. Said customers will then whine at their ISPs saying fix it! and said ISPs will go to their peers and grovel, perhaps offering the Faustian bargain of I'll accept yours if you accept mine and our respective customers will stop whining at us about each other. And then the apocalypse occurs. Or something like that. Regards, -drc signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
Re: Neighborhood mesh statistical multiplexing
On Jan 26, 2014, at 16:04 , Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: I wonder if they'll break BCP 38... or vice-versa... http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/01/bewifi-lets-you-steal-your-neighbors-bandwidth-when-theyre-not-using-it/ As long as Telefonica customers only use other Telefonica links within WiFi range, Telefonica can ensure it will have no effect on BCP38. Worst case, I can ddos the guy in the next apartment by spoofing his address. Best case, they ensure the BeWifi software disallows such things. And I don't see other broadband networks allowing Telefonica customers to ride their links. I also wonder why Telefonica would do this as opposed to telling people to upgrade their DSL? -- TTFN, patrick
Re: Neighborhood mesh statistical multiplexing
- Original Message - From: Patrick W. Gilmore patr...@ianai.net On Jan 26, 2014, at 16:04 , Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: I wonder if they'll break BCP 38... or vice-versa... http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/01/bewifi-lets-you-steal-your-neighbors-bandwidth-when-theyre-not-using-it/ As long as Telefonica customers only use other Telefonica links within WiFi range, Telefonica can ensure it will have no effect on BCP38. Worst case, I can ddos the guy in the next apartment by spoofing his address. Best case, they ensure the BeWifi software disallows such things. And I don't see other broadband networks allowing Telefonica customers to ride their links. I also wonder why Telefonica would do this as opposed to telling people to upgrade their DSL? Unless I misread the piece, Pat, they *do* intend for customers to mesh non-Telefonica links, which is half of your answer. All our customers are at max rate for their distance is probably the other half. I was making the former assumption in my musing. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink j...@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274
Re: Will a single /27 get fully routed these days?
- Original Message - From: John R. Levine jo...@iecc.com The customer continues to whine about performance. Our ISP says, ah, you need our Preferred Thoughput Upgrade Innovation (PTUI), available at modest extra cost. The extra cost, of course, it what it costs to buy a /24 and get the customer into the real routing table. And John wins the Internet for today. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink j...@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274
Re: Neighborhood mesh statistical multiplexing
On Jan 27, 2014, at 11:58 , Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: From: Patrick W. Gilmore patr...@ianai.net On Jan 26, 2014, at 16:04 , Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: I wonder if they'll break BCP 38... or vice-versa... http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/01/bewifi-lets-you-steal-your-neighbors-bandwidth-when-theyre-not-using-it/ As long as Telefonica customers only use other Telefonica links within WiFi range, Telefonica can ensure it will have no effect on BCP38. Worst case, I can ddos the guy in the next apartment by spoofing his address. Best case, they ensure the BeWifi software disallows such things. And I don't see other broadband networks allowing Telefonica customers to ride their links. I also wonder why Telefonica would do this as opposed to telling people to upgrade their DSL? Unless I misread the piece, Pat, they *do* intend for customers to mesh non-Telefonica links, which is half of your answer. I guess we read it differently. They even mention Telefonica is currently looking towards developing economies and its huge customer base. Finally, assuming they ask someone else to do this, can you imagine another network saying sure, use my DSL link to make your customer happier...? All our customers are at max rate for their distance is probably the other half. Thought about that, but they discuss customers on different tariffs. It might be useful when everyone is limited to 128 Kbps or something. I was making the former assumption in my musing. You know what you do when you make an assumption, right? You make an ASS out of U and MPTION. :) -- TTFN, patrick
Re: Neighborhood mesh statistical multiplexing
- Original Message - From: Patrick W. Gilmore patr...@ianai.net Unless I misread the piece, Pat, they *do* intend for customers to mesh non-Telefonica links, which is half of your answer. I guess we read it differently. They even mention Telefonica is currently looking towards developing economies and its huge customer base. Finally, assuming they ask someone else to do this, can you imagine another network saying sure, use my DSL link to make your customer happier...? Nope, sure can't. All our customers are at max rate for their distance is probably the other half. Thought about that, but they discuss customers on different tariffs. It might be useful when everyone is limited to 128 Kbps or something. I was making the former assumption in my musing. You know what you do when you make an assumption, right? You make an ASS out of U and MPTION. :) Thank you, Tony Randall. :-) (You know, I can't find an earlier citation for that riff than the Odd Couple episode...) Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink j...@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274
Re: Neighborhood mesh statistical multiplexing
- Original Message - From: Patrick W. Gilmore patr...@ianai.net I guess we read it differently. [ rereads ] I'm wrong; you win; shut up. :-) I did find *this* amusing, though: Another unexpected finding was that people do not use the Internet heavily all at exactly the same time—a concern at the beginning of the trial—but in sporadic bursts. This means there is nearly always some spare bandwidth available to be recycled. It was unexpected, to them? Really? Has streaming widened out the end-user consumption so much that statmuxing isn't thought to be useful anymore? Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink j...@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274
ipx routing
hi there, i'm trying to figure out how i can redirect all the home router's traffic to a public server, using IPX and SPX (or in any other way). just a detail: i don't have access to the home router to change its configuration, and i have to do all this from Internet. i'm hoping someone here could enlighten me. thanks in advance!
Fiber Bypass Switch
Does anyone have any recommendations for a fiber bypass switch? I am looking for something capable of 10G that when there is a power hit will fail over to route traffic out the network ports and away from that site's with the customer handoff. Thanks, Phil Keyser
Re: Fiber Bypass Switch
Something like this? http://www.alcon-tech.com/pdfs/Optical-Protection-Switch-FSXpert.pdf -- Matthew S. Crocker President Crocker Communications, Inc. PO BOX 710 Greenfield, MA 01302-0710 E: matt...@crocker.com P: (413) 746-2760 F: (413) 746-3704 W: http://www.crocker.com On Jan 27, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Keyser, Philip pkey...@fibertech.com wrote: Does anyone have any recommendations for a fiber bypass switch? I am looking for something capable of 10G that when there is a power hit will fail over to route traffic out the network ports and away from that site's with the customer handoff. Thanks, Phil Keyser
RE: Fiber Bypass Switch
Looking for something similar to this. http://www.moxa.com/product/OBU-102_Series.htm -Original Message- From: Matthew Crocker [mailto:matt...@corp.crocker.com] Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 2:16 PM To: Keyser, Philip Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Fiber Bypass Switch Something like this? http://www.alcon-tech.com/pdfs/Optical-Protection-Switch-FSXpert.pdf -- Matthew S. Crocker President Crocker Communications, Inc. PO BOX 710 Greenfield, MA 01302-0710 E: matt...@crocker.commailto:matt...@crocker.com P: (413) 746-2760 F: (413) 746-3704 W: http://www.crocker.com On Jan 27, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Keyser, Philip pkey...@fibertech.commailto:pkey...@fibertech.com wrote: Does anyone have any recommendations for a fiber bypass switch? I am looking for something capable of 10G that when there is a power hit will fail over to route traffic out the network ports and away from that site's with the customer handoff. Thanks, Phil Keyser __ This email has been scanned for spam and viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For all email inquiries, please submit a ticket to the IT Helpdesk: ithelpd...@fibertech.commailto:ithelpd...@fibertech.com __
Terremark Miami
Anyone out there listening have experience getting traffic originating at NAP of Americas in Miami to AWS in a non-suck (internet) manner? I know AWS has direct connect, but they are mum about options in MIA. Thanks in advance! //warren
Re: Terremark Miami
What kind of issue are you running into ? I believe AWS is present on the NOTA/NAP peering fabric, and as such if one was to get access to the NOTA/NAP peering fabric they should be able to peer / pass traffic directly to them. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - From: Warren Bailey wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 6:14:30 PM Subject: Terremark Miami Anyone out there listening have experience getting traffic originating at NAP of Americas in Miami to AWS in a non-suck (internet) manner? I know AWS has direct connect, but they are mum about options in MIA. Thanks in advance! //warren
Re: Terremark Miami
We¹re looking at potential connectivity need of 100mbps from a customer colocated in NAP of America¹s in Miami to some stuff living in AWS land. We weren¹t particularly thrilled about the aspect of a GRE tunnel over the internet (our AWS stuff does some data manipulation) and wanted to use the Amazon Direct Connect functionality. It seems like they do this direct connect as select peering points, and there were no options for anything in Miami. It may just be easier to buy something off of the provider to run the traffic over to a colo with AWS connectivity. I¹m really just looking for sexy ways to avoid the internet as a transit route for this data (the data doesn¹t have anything to do with the internet). On 1/27/14, 3:43 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net wrote: What kind of issue are you running into ? I believe AWS is present on the NOTA/NAP peering fabric, and as such if one was to get access to the NOTA/NAP peering fabric they should be able to peer / pass traffic directly to them. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - From: Warren Bailey wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 6:14:30 PM Subject: Terremark Miami Anyone out there listening have experience getting traffic originating at NAP of Americas in Miami to AWS in a non-suck (internet) manner? I know AWS has direct connect, but they are mum about options in MIA. Thanks in advance! //warren
