Re: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware

2015-02-10 Thread Max Tulyev
We are using TP-LINK for ETTH, and it seems very good with a fair price.

Only the problem is they like to make completely another device and sell
it as the same part number but another hardware revision which is only
written by small letters on the device itself. So you have to keep an
eye on it.

On 10.02.15 15:34, Mike Hammett wrote:
 Check out Mikrotik, Planet and TP-Link. 
 
 
 
 
 - 
 Mike Hammett 
 Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 http://www.ics-il.com 
 
 
 
 - Original Message -
 
 From: Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu 
 To: NANOG nanog@nanog.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 7:31:22 AM 
 Subject: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware 
 
 One thing I'm personally interested in is the growth of municipal FTTx 
 that's starting to happen around the US and possibly applying that 
 model to highly rural areas (e.g. 10 mile long town with no side 
 streets, existing utility polls, 250 or so homes) and doing a 
 realistic cost analysis of what that would take. 
 
 What options are out there for Active-Ethernet hardware. Ideally 
 something that could handle G.8032 and 802.1ad in hardware for the 
 distribution side (24 or 48-port SFP metro switch) and something 
 inexpensive for the access side but still managed (e.g. a 4-port 
 switch with an SFP uplink supporting Q-in-Q). 
 
 I'm really looking for something cheap to keep costs down for a 
 proof-of-concept. The stuff from Cisco and even Ciena is a bit more 
 expensive than my target. 
 
 
 
 



Re: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware

2015-02-10 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson

On Tue, 10 Feb 2015, Ray Soucy wrote:

What options are out there for Active-Ethernet hardware.  Ideally 
something that could handle G.8032 and 802.1ad in hardware for the 
distribution side (24 or 48-port SFP metro switch) and something 
inexpensive for the access side but still managed (e.g. a 4-port switch 
with an SFP uplink supporting Q-in-Q).


These kinds of devices are quite popular here in Sweden where we basically 
have no PON what so ever (I know of no major PON deployments, everything 
is active ethernet either over CAT5e/CAT6 or fiber):


http://inteno.se/store/tabid/141/categoryid/130/productid/783/default.aspx
http://inteno.se/store/tabid/141/categoryid/130/productid/771/default.aspx
http://inteno.se/store/tabid/141/categoryid/130/productid/442/default.aspx

(I am not affiliated with Inteno, I just know they are quite common in the 
market here and the above list is to provide examples of producs used 
here)


They typically use BiDi optics to run bidirectional fiber over single 
strand, in some cases in conjunction with hardware that runs HFC on the 
other strand.


I'm really looking for something cheap to keep costs down for a 
proof-of-concept.  The stuff from Cisco and even Ciena is a bit more 
expensive than my target.


Typically people here tend to buy regular enterprise hardware, but still 
that can do the BCP38 kind of stuff needed to deliver a proper secure end 
user connection. List of some vendors here: 
http://secureenduserconnection.se/certified-products/


http://secureenduserconnection.se/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/SEC-Secure-End-user-Connection-2014-05-30.pdf 
is a good document to make sure your network follows as well.


--
Mikael Abrahamssonemail: swm...@swm.pp.se


Re: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware

2015-02-10 Thread Ray Soucy
Thank you, this is useful information.  From your perspective as a
user, do things seem fairly stable?

On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Ammar Zuberi am...@fastreturn.net wrote:
 Hi,

 Here in Dubai they have a wide FTTH deployment (almost 80% of homes and 
 offices) with almost no copper in the service provider networks.

 They use these Planet devices in every deployment I've taken a look at so far.

 Ammar

 On 10 Feb 2015, at 6:42 pm, Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu wrote:

 Price and functionality-wise Planet MGSW-28240F and GSD-1020S look
 pretty close to what I'm looking for.  Anyone have real experience
 with using them on a large scale?  Performance?

 On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Mike Hammett na...@ics-il.net wrote:
 Check out Mikrotik, Planet and TP-Link.




 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 - Original Message -

 From: Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu
 To: NANOG nanog@nanog.org
 Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 7:31:22 AM
 Subject: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware

 One thing I'm personally interested in is the growth of municipal FTTx
 that's starting to happen around the US and possibly applying that
 model to highly rural areas (e.g. 10 mile long town with no side
 streets, existing utility polls, 250 or so homes) and doing a
 realistic cost analysis of what that would take.

 What options are out there for Active-Ethernet hardware. Ideally
 something that could handle G.8032 and 802.1ad in hardware for the
 distribution side (24 or 48-port SFP metro switch) and something
 inexpensive for the access side but still managed (e.g. a 4-port
 switch with an SFP uplink supporting Q-in-Q).

 I'm really looking for something cheap to keep costs down for a
 proof-of-concept. The stuff from Cisco and even Ciena is a bit more
 expensive than my target.




 --
 Ray Patrick Soucy
 Network Engineer
 University of Maine System

 T: 207-561-3526
 F: 207-561-3531

 MaineREN, Maine's Research and Education Network
 www.maineren.net



 --
 Ray Patrick Soucy
 Network Engineer
 University of Maine System

 T: 207-561-3526
 F: 207-561-3531

 MaineREN, Maine's Research and Education Network
 www.maineren.net



-- 
Ray Patrick Soucy
Network Engineer
University of Maine System

T: 207-561-3526
F: 207-561-3531

MaineREN, Maine's Research and Education Network
www.maineren.net


Re: UVerse question

2015-02-10 Thread Bill Merriam
On Sun, 8 Feb 2015 17:48:57 -0500
TR Shaw ts...@oitc.com wrote:

 Any suggestions on what to tell ATT to get IPv6 added to a current
 account and upgrade a 2wire router to 4wire with halfway decent
 performance and capability?
 
 Any and all help would be appreciated.
 
 Tom

If ATT is still using 6rd then you don't need a hardware change to use
it. 6rd is like a 6to4 tunnel with special features.  You can run it on
your router or other machines.  Openwrt supports it.

Here is a brief how to, google for more help:
http://www.litech.org/6rd/

For ATT, basically, 2602:300::/28 (6rdPrefix/6rdPrefixLen) and
12.83.49.81 (6rdBRIPv4Address, which is an anycast) is all you need to
get it running. IPv4MaskLen is 0 (use the whole IPv4 address within
IPv6, but notice that due to 6rdPrefixLen being /28 (instead of the more
conventional /32) you have to do some one-nibble shifting, but the plus
side is that you do get a /60 in the end).

If your IP number is not static then your IPv6 address won't be either.

Of course you could always try 6to4, where the prefix is 2002::/16 and
the anycast relay router is 192.88.99.1.  This will work if ATT
resolves the anycast address.  Or you could set up a Hurricane Electric
6in4 tunnel.

So, with ATT residential, I think you get 3 half assed choices, 6rd,
6in4 and 6to4 (if they support it).

Bill


RE: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware

2015-02-10 Thread Murat Kaipov
We are small ISP. We used Linksys SPS208G for access level, and Cisco ME3400
for aggregation purposes. On Core level we use Cisco3560, now we have some
plans to migrate to Cat 6500.


-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Ray Soucy
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 5:42 PM
To: Mike Hammett
Cc: NANOG
Subject: Re: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware

Price and functionality-wise Planet MGSW-28240F and GSD-1020S look pretty
close to what I'm looking for.  Anyone have real experience with using them
on a large scale?  Performance?

On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Mike Hammett na...@ics-il.net wrote:
 Check out Mikrotik, Planet and TP-Link.




 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 - Original Message -

 From: Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu
 To: NANOG nanog@nanog.org
 Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 7:31:22 AM
 Subject: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware

 One thing I'm personally interested in is the growth of municipal FTTx 
 that's starting to happen around the US and possibly applying that 
 model to highly rural areas (e.g. 10 mile long town with no side 
 streets, existing utility polls, 250 or so homes) and doing a 
 realistic cost analysis of what that would take.

 What options are out there for Active-Ethernet hardware. Ideally 
 something that could handle G.8032 and 802.1ad in hardware for the 
 distribution side (24 or 48-port SFP metro switch) and something 
 inexpensive for the access side but still managed (e.g. a 4-port 
 switch with an SFP uplink supporting Q-in-Q).

 I'm really looking for something cheap to keep costs down for a 
 proof-of-concept. The stuff from Cisco and even Ciena is a bit more 
 expensive than my target.




 --
 Ray Patrick Soucy
 Network Engineer
 University of Maine System

 T: 207-561-3526
 F: 207-561-3531

 MaineREN, Maine's Research and Education Network www.maineren.net




--
Ray Patrick Soucy
Network Engineer
University of Maine System

T: 207-561-3526
F: 207-561-3531

MaineREN, Maine's Research and Education Network www.maineren.net


Re: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware

2015-02-10 Thread Ammar Zuberi
Hi,

Here in Dubai they have a wide FTTH deployment (almost 80% of homes and 
offices) with almost no copper in the service provider networks.

They use these Planet devices in every deployment I've taken a look at so far.

Ammar

 On 10 Feb 2015, at 6:42 pm, Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu wrote:
 
 Price and functionality-wise Planet MGSW-28240F and GSD-1020S look
 pretty close to what I'm looking for.  Anyone have real experience
 with using them on a large scale?  Performance?
 
 On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Mike Hammett na...@ics-il.net wrote:
 Check out Mikrotik, Planet and TP-Link.
 
 
 
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 
 - Original Message -
 
 From: Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu
 To: NANOG nanog@nanog.org
 Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 7:31:22 AM
 Subject: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware
 
 One thing I'm personally interested in is the growth of municipal FTTx
 that's starting to happen around the US and possibly applying that
 model to highly rural areas (e.g. 10 mile long town with no side
 streets, existing utility polls, 250 or so homes) and doing a
 realistic cost analysis of what that would take.
 
 What options are out there for Active-Ethernet hardware. Ideally
 something that could handle G.8032 and 802.1ad in hardware for the
 distribution side (24 or 48-port SFP metro switch) and something
 inexpensive for the access side but still managed (e.g. a 4-port
 switch with an SFP uplink supporting Q-in-Q).
 
 I'm really looking for something cheap to keep costs down for a
 proof-of-concept. The stuff from Cisco and even Ciena is a bit more
 expensive than my target.
 
 
 
 
 --
 Ray Patrick Soucy
 Network Engineer
 University of Maine System
 
 T: 207-561-3526
 F: 207-561-3531
 
 MaineREN, Maine's Research and Education Network
 www.maineren.net
 
 
 
 -- 
 Ray Patrick Soucy
 Network Engineer
 University of Maine System
 
 T: 207-561-3526
 F: 207-561-3531
 
 MaineREN, Maine's Research and Education Network
 www.maineren.net


Re: Comcast New England dropped for 5-15 min? Anyone

2015-02-10 Thread Ben Scott
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Andrey Khomyakov
khomyakov.and...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hey, anyone had problems just now? My team and I at homes lost internet
 access for about 10 min. I also had many sites drop off. Still digging, but
 maybe trouble upstream? I'm in 50.133.128.0/17 at home.

  Yah, we lost two offices with Comcast feeds in northern Mass about
two hours ago, and a cow-orker reports his home feed in southern NH
went out around the same time.  His is back but the offices are still
down.  Their phone support says they had a massive outage in the
North-East, including MA, NH, CT, others.  I think he even said
Virgina.  Now I'm on hold while they try to reset us.

-- Ben


Cumulus List

2015-02-10 Thread Skeeve Stevens
Hi all,

I am looking to get a better understanding of some features of Cumulus
Linux their pre-sales is a bit inundated, but I am wondering if there
is a Cisco-NSP or something similar out there for Cumulus...

Thanks :)

...Skeeve

*Skeeve Stevens - Founder  Chief Network Architect*
eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
Email: ske...@eintellegonetworks.com ; Web: eintellegonetworks.com

Phone: 1300 239 038 ; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; Skype: skeeve

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RE: Cumulus List

2015-02-10 Thread Doug Marschke
I can help..contact me off list.


Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note® 4, an ATT 4G LTE smartphone


 Original message 
From: Skeeve Stevens skeeve+na...@eintellegonetworks.com 
Date: 02/10/2015  5:44 PM  (GMT-08:00) 
To: nanog@nanog.org 
Subject: Cumulus List 

Hi all,

I am looking to get a better understanding of some features of Cumulus
Linux their pre-sales is a bit inundated, but I am wondering if there
is a Cisco-NSP or something similar out there for Cumulus...

Thanks :)

...Skeeve

*Skeeve Stevens - Founder  Chief Network Architect*
eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
Email: ske...@eintellegonetworks.com ; Web: eintellegonetworks.com

Phone: 1300 239 038 ; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; Skype: skeeve

Facebook: eintellegonetworks http://facebook.com/eintellegonetworks ;
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Re: Comcast New England dropped for 5-15 min? Anyone

2015-02-10 Thread Andrey Khomyakov
My boss has comcast at home in Milton, MA, said all was fine. Must have
been prefix specific. Trace would die somewhere in level3 at the time. Was
tracing to 8.8.8.8

On Tuesday, February 10, 2015, Dan Brisson dbris...@uvm.edu wrote:

 FWIW...no problems here in Vermont on Comcast business.

 -dan


 Dan Brisson
 Network Engineer
 University of Vermont



 On 2/10/15 8:45 PM, Kevin Kadow wrote:

 On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Andrey Khomyakov 
 khomyakov.and...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hey, anyone had problems just now? My team and I at homes lost internet
 access for about 10 min. I also had many sites drop off. Still digging,
 but
 maybe trouble upstream? I'm in 50.133.128.0/17 at home.

  You were only out for 10-15 minutes?  More like an hour in New
 Hampshire.

 traceroutes would die out in Needham, Woburn, or  whatever 4.68.127.229
 is.




-- 
Sent from Gmail Mobile


Re: Comcast New England dropped for 5-15 min? Anyone

2015-02-10 Thread Kevin Kadow
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Andrey Khomyakov 
khomyakov.and...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey, anyone had problems just now? My team and I at homes lost internet
 access for about 10 min. I also had many sites drop off. Still digging, but
 maybe trouble upstream? I'm in 50.133.128.0/17 at home.


You were only out for 10-15 minutes?  More like an hour in New Hampshire.

traceroutes would die out in Needham, Woburn, or  whatever 4.68.127.229 is.


Re: Comcast New England dropped for 5-15 min? Anyone

2015-02-10 Thread Dan Brisson

FWIW...no problems here in Vermont on Comcast business.

-dan


Dan Brisson
Network Engineer
University of Vermont



On 2/10/15 8:45 PM, Kevin Kadow wrote:

On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Andrey Khomyakov 
khomyakov.and...@gmail.com wrote:


Hey, anyone had problems just now? My team and I at homes lost internet
access for about 10 min. I also had many sites drop off. Still digging, but
maybe trouble upstream? I'm in 50.133.128.0/17 at home.


You were only out for 10-15 minutes?  More like an hour in New Hampshire.

traceroutes would die out in Needham, Woburn, or  whatever 4.68.127.229 is.




Re: Need recommendations for high-feature, high-density L3 Switch

2015-02-10 Thread Ken Chase
how about all in 1U (interconnect room switch, $$$/u)

/kc
-- 
Ken Chase - m...@sizone.org Toronto Canada


Re: IPv6 allocation plan, security, and 6-to-4 conversion

2015-02-10 Thread Dustin Melancon
Hey Eric,

I did not see anyone else post this, but the NANOG BCOP (Best Current
Operating Practices) group has released the following document to help
guide new IPv6 allocation plans which you and others may find helpful:
http://bcop.nanog.org/images/6/62/BCOP-IPv6_Subnetting.pdf

Another useful document from Department of Defense on IPv6 Addressing:
http://www.v6.dren.net/AddressingPlans.pdf



BCOP Conclusions
1. Everyindividual  network segment requiresat  a   
minimum,one /64 prefix
2. Only subnet  on  nibble  boundaries
3. Implementa   hierarchicaladdressing  planto  allow   
for aggregation
a. Each individual  site should be  allocated   a   
/48 prefix
4. One  /48 fromeachregion  should  be  reservedfor 
infrastructure
a. Loopbacksshould  be  allocated   fromthe top 
/64
b. 
Point-to-point  links   should  be  allocated   a   /64 and 
configured  witha   
/126or  /127
5. 
Sites/PoPs/locationsand regions,etc.should  be  laid
out suchthatwithin  
eachlevel   of  the hierarchy,  eachsubnet  prefix  is  
of  equal   size
a. Each ³site²  should  likewisehavean  equalized   
internalhierarchy



Regarding your management block, I would use the recommendation above to
maintain a /48 in each region for management with the top /64 used for
loopbacks. However I definitely would NOT bother removing this network
from your advertised blocks as there are much better ways to implement
security and it would screw with your ability to cleanly aggregate your
IPv6 allocation.

Thanks,

Dustin Melancon
Sr. Network Engineer
Venyu


Re: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware

2015-02-10 Thread Ammar Zuberi
Hi,

Generally, I haven’t seen many issues. I see our home Internet slow down once 
in a while, but I doubt its anything to do with the Planet devices but more so 
with the way the provider operates their network.

Ammar

 On Feb 10, 2015, at 7:05 PM, Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu wrote:
 
 Thank you, this is useful information.  From your perspective as a
 user, do things seem fairly stable?
 
 On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Ammar Zuberi am...@fastreturn.net wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Here in Dubai they have a wide FTTH deployment (almost 80% of homes and 
 offices) with almost no copper in the service provider networks.
 
 They use these Planet devices in every deployment I've taken a look at so 
 far.
 
 Ammar
 
 On 10 Feb 2015, at 6:42 pm, Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu wrote:
 
 Price and functionality-wise Planet MGSW-28240F and GSD-1020S look
 pretty close to what I'm looking for.  Anyone have real experience
 with using them on a large scale?  Performance?
 
 On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Mike Hammett na...@ics-il.net wrote:
 Check out Mikrotik, Planet and TP-Link.
 
 
 
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 
 - Original Message -
 
 From: Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu
 To: NANOG nanog@nanog.org
 Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 7:31:22 AM
 Subject: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware
 
 One thing I'm personally interested in is the growth of municipal FTTx
 that's starting to happen around the US and possibly applying that
 model to highly rural areas (e.g. 10 mile long town with no side
 streets, existing utility polls, 250 or so homes) and doing a
 realistic cost analysis of what that would take.
 
 What options are out there for Active-Ethernet hardware. Ideally
 something that could handle G.8032 and 802.1ad in hardware for the
 distribution side (24 or 48-port SFP metro switch) and something
 inexpensive for the access side but still managed (e.g. a 4-port
 switch with an SFP uplink supporting Q-in-Q).
 
 I'm really looking for something cheap to keep costs down for a
 proof-of-concept. The stuff from Cisco and even Ciena is a bit more
 expensive than my target.
 
 
 
 
 --
 Ray Patrick Soucy
 Network Engineer
 University of Maine System
 
 T: 207-561-3526
 F: 207-561-3531
 
 MaineREN, Maine's Research and Education Network
 www.maineren.net
 
 
 
 --
 Ray Patrick Soucy
 Network Engineer
 University of Maine System
 
 T: 207-561-3526
 F: 207-561-3531
 
 MaineREN, Maine's Research and Education Network
 www.maineren.net
 
 
 
 -- 
 Ray Patrick Soucy
 Network Engineer
 University of Maine System
 
 T: 207-561-3526
 F: 207-561-3531
 
 MaineREN, Maine's Research and Education Network
 www.maineren.net



Re: UVerse question

2015-02-10 Thread Tim Burke
What is a “4wire” modem? Is that a Chinese knockoff of a 2wire brand? ;-) Or 
are you referring to a pair-bonded modem?

ATT seems to only offer the pair-bonded device (in most cases, a Motorola 
NVG589) when you have their 45mbps “Power” service. If anything, you could 
always upgrade to the 45mbps service just to get the new modem, and then 
downgrade after you get the modem installed. The newer modems, including the 
589, provide IPv6 support using 6rd.

The compatibility test previously mentioned will determine if your current 
device is capable of IPv6. The older equipment has firmware updates available 
that will provide IPv6 connectivity.

 On Feb 8, 2015, at 4:48 PM, TR Shaw ts...@oitc.com wrote:
 
 Any suggestions on what to tell ATT to get IPv6 added to a current account 
 and upgrade a 2wire router to 4wire with halfway decent performance and 
 capability?
 
 Any and all help would be appreciated.
 
 Tom



FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware

2015-02-10 Thread Ray Soucy
One thing I'm personally interested in is the growth of municipal FTTx
that's starting to happen around the US and possibly applying that
model to highly rural areas (e.g. 10 mile long town with no side
streets, existing utility polls, 250 or so homes) and doing a
realistic cost analysis of what that would take.

What options are out there for Active-Ethernet hardware.  Ideally
something that could handle G.8032 and 802.1ad in hardware for the
distribution side (24 or 48-port SFP metro switch) and something
inexpensive for the access side but still managed (e.g. a 4-port
switch with an SFP uplink supporting Q-in-Q).

I'm really looking for something cheap to keep costs down for a
proof-of-concept.  The stuff from Cisco and even Ciena is a bit more
expensive than my target.




-- 
Ray Patrick Soucy
Network Engineer
University of Maine System

T: 207-561-3526
F: 207-561-3531

MaineREN, Maine's Research and Education Network
www.maineren.net


Re: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware

2015-02-10 Thread Mike Hammett
Check out Mikrotik, Planet and TP-Link. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu 
To: NANOG nanog@nanog.org 
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 7:31:22 AM 
Subject: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware 

One thing I'm personally interested in is the growth of municipal FTTx 
that's starting to happen around the US and possibly applying that 
model to highly rural areas (e.g. 10 mile long town with no side 
streets, existing utility polls, 250 or so homes) and doing a 
realistic cost analysis of what that would take. 

What options are out there for Active-Ethernet hardware. Ideally 
something that could handle G.8032 and 802.1ad in hardware for the 
distribution side (24 or 48-port SFP metro switch) and something 
inexpensive for the access side but still managed (e.g. a 4-port 
switch with an SFP uplink supporting Q-in-Q). 

I'm really looking for something cheap to keep costs down for a 
proof-of-concept. The stuff from Cisco and even Ciena is a bit more 
expensive than my target. 




-- 
Ray Patrick Soucy 
Network Engineer 
University of Maine System 

T: 207-561-3526 
F: 207-561-3531 

MaineREN, Maine's Research and Education Network 
www.maineren.net 



Re: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware

2015-02-10 Thread Mark Tinka

On 10/Feb/15 15:31, Ray Soucy wrote:
 I'm really looking for something cheap to keep costs down for a
 proof-of-concept.  The stuff from Cisco and even Ciena is a bit more
 expensive than my target.

I hear Cisco were discontinuing the ME2600X, but not sure if that is
still happening. Do you find that unit too expensive still?

Mark.


Re: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware

2015-02-10 Thread Mark Tinka

On 10/Feb/15 21:35, Frank Bulk wrote:
 Unless each customer has in their own L3 domain, you'll also want some kind
 of L2 isolation between ports (and also MFF) and IP source address
 verification (so that people can't spoof addresses) for both DHPC and static
 IP customers.  And don't forget the IPv6 equivalents.

You can get all that in a decent Active-E-based AN (as you would in a
GPON AN). But then the price starts to go up if you want this in
software as opposed to doing funky things.

Cisco's ME2600X was, for me, one of the first proper Active-E FTTH AN's
with features required in FTTH deployments (split horizon for Layer 2
customer separation, DHCP Option 82 support, per-port level trTCM
ingress and egress policing and queuing, EVC's, e.t.c.).

I understand it is now being replaced by the ASR920, which is a little
odd if you look at port density differences between the two alone.

For the GPON-centric, it is also being replaced by Cisco's ME4605 GPON AN.

Final date to buy any ME2600X's will be June 2015.

Mark.



RE: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware

2015-02-10 Thread Frank Bulk
Unless each customer has in their own L3 domain, you'll also want some kind
of L2 isolation between ports (and also MFF) and IP source address
verification (so that people can't spoof addresses) for both DHPC and static
IP customers.  And don't forget the IPv6 equivalents.

Frank

-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Ray Soucy
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 7:31 AM
To: NANOG
Subject: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware

One thing I'm personally interested in is the growth of municipal FTTx
that's starting to happen around the US and possibly applying that
model to highly rural areas (e.g. 10 mile long town with no side
streets, existing utility polls, 250 or so homes) and doing a
realistic cost analysis of what that would take.

What options are out there for Active-Ethernet hardware.  Ideally
something that could handle G.8032 and 802.1ad in hardware for the
distribution side (24 or 48-port SFP metro switch) and something
inexpensive for the access side but still managed (e.g. a 4-port
switch with an SFP uplink supporting Q-in-Q).

I'm really looking for something cheap to keep costs down for a
proof-of-concept.  The stuff from Cisco and even Ciena is a bit more
expensive than my target.




-- 
Ray Patrick Soucy
Network Engineer
University of Maine System

T: 207-561-3526
F: 207-561-3531

MaineREN, Maine's Research and Education Network
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Re: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware

2015-02-10 Thread Carlos Alcantar
We run Calix GPON / AE Platform works fairly nicely but does have it¹s
cost.


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On 2/10/15, 1:27 PM, Mark Tinka mark.ti...@seacom.mu wrote:


On 10/Feb/15 21:35, Frank Bulk wrote:
 Unless each customer has in their own L3 domain, you'll also want some
kind
 of L2 isolation between ports (and also MFF) and IP source address
 verification (so that people can't spoof addresses) for both DHPC and
static
 IP customers.  And don't forget the IPv6 equivalents.

You can get all that in a decent Active-E-based AN (as you would in a
GPON AN). But then the price starts to go up if you want this in
software as opposed to doing funky things.

Cisco's ME2600X was, for me, one of the first proper Active-E FTTH AN's
with features required in FTTH deployments (split horizon for Layer 2
customer separation, DHCP Option 82 support, per-port level trTCM
ingress and egress policing and queuing, EVC's, e.t.c.).

I understand it is now being replaced by the ASR920, which is a little
odd if you look at port density differences between the two alone.

For the GPON-centric, it is also being replaced by Cisco's ME4605 GPON AN.

Final date to buy any ME2600X's will be June 2015.

Mark.





Re: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware

2015-02-10 Thread Ray Soucy
Price and functionality-wise Planet MGSW-28240F and GSD-1020S look
pretty close to what I'm looking for.  Anyone have real experience
with using them on a large scale?  Performance?

On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Mike Hammett na...@ics-il.net wrote:
 Check out Mikrotik, Planet and TP-Link.




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 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 - Original Message -

 From: Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu
 To: NANOG nanog@nanog.org
 Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 7:31:22 AM
 Subject: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware

 One thing I'm personally interested in is the growth of municipal FTTx
 that's starting to happen around the US and possibly applying that
 model to highly rural areas (e.g. 10 mile long town with no side
 streets, existing utility polls, 250 or so homes) and doing a
 realistic cost analysis of what that would take.

 What options are out there for Active-Ethernet hardware. Ideally
 something that could handle G.8032 and 802.1ad in hardware for the
 distribution side (24 or 48-port SFP metro switch) and something
 inexpensive for the access side but still managed (e.g. a 4-port
 switch with an SFP uplink supporting Q-in-Q).

 I'm really looking for something cheap to keep costs down for a
 proof-of-concept. The stuff from Cisco and even Ciena is a bit more
 expensive than my target.




 --
 Ray Patrick Soucy
 Network Engineer
 University of Maine System

 T: 207-561-3526
 F: 207-561-3531

 MaineREN, Maine's Research and Education Network
 www.maineren.net




-- 
Ray Patrick Soucy
Network Engineer
University of Maine System

T: 207-561-3526
F: 207-561-3531

MaineREN, Maine's Research and Education Network
www.maineren.net


Comcast New England dropped for 5-15 min? Anyone

2015-02-10 Thread Andrey Khomyakov
Hey, anyone had problems just now? My team and I at homes lost internet
access for about 10 min. I also had many sites drop off. Still digging, but
maybe trouble upstream? I'm in 50.133.128.0/17 at home.

--Andrey


Re: UVerse question

2015-02-10 Thread Scott Helms
ATT will do a bonded VDSL2 connection in cases where a single connection
isn't getting enough throughput.  Also, be aware that the device may now be
branded as an Arris, but Tim is correct that it's normally a NVG589 for new
installs.


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Vice President of Technology
ZCorum
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On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 3:03 AM, Tim Burke t...@tburke.us wrote:

 What is a “4wire” modem? Is that a Chinese knockoff of a 2wire brand? ;-)
 Or are you referring to a pair-bonded modem?

 ATT seems to only offer the pair-bonded device (in most cases, a Motorola
 NVG589) when you have their 45mbps “Power” service. If anything, you could
 always upgrade to the 45mbps service just to get the new modem, and then
 downgrade after you get the modem installed. The newer modems, including
 the 589, provide IPv6 support using 6rd.

 The compatibility test previously mentioned will determine if your current
 device is capable of IPv6. The older equipment has firmware updates
 available that will provide IPv6 connectivity.

  On Feb 8, 2015, at 4:48 PM, TR Shaw ts...@oitc.com wrote:
 
  Any suggestions on what to tell ATT to get IPv6 added to a current
 account and upgrade a 2wire router to 4wire with halfway decent performance
 and capability?
 
  Any and all help would be appreciated.
 
  Tom